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  • Originally posted by thule
    Well I broke down Parcell's first day draft history...trying to find a theme. One thing I noticed is Parcells seems to have a nitch drafting big-10 OL

    New York Giants
    1983
    10- Terry Kinard, S, Clemson
    37- Leonard Marshall, DT, LSU
    63- Jamie Williams, TE, Nebraska
    70- Karl Nelson, OT, Iowa State

    1984
    3- Carl Banks, OLB, Michigan State
    27- William Roberts, OG, Ohio State
    59- Jeff Hostetler, QB, West Virginia

    1985
    19- George Adams, RB, Kentucky
    46- Stacy Robinson, WR, North Dakota State
    58- Tyrone Davis, DB, Clemson
    73- Brian Johnston, C, North Carolina

    1986
    19- Eric Dorsey, DE, Notre Dame
    44- Mark Collins, CB, Cal State-Fullerton
    46- Erik Howard, NT, Washington State
    51- Pepper Johnson, MLB, Ohio State
    53- Greg Lasker, DB, Arkansas
    73- John Washington, DE, Oklahoma State

    1987
    28- Mark Ingram, WR, Michigan State
    55- Adrian White, S, Florida
    83- Stephen Baker, WR, Fresno State

    1988
    10- Eric Moore, OG, Indiana
    36- John Elliott, OT, Michigan
    62- Sheldon White, CB, Miami-Ohio

    1989
    18- Brian Williams, C, Minnesota
    64- Bob Kratch, OG, Iowa
    78- Greg Jackson, SS, LSU

    1990
    24- Rodney Hampton, RB, Georgia
    51- Mike Fox, DE, West Virginia
    79- Greg Mark, ILB, Miami

    New England Patriots
    1993
    1- Drew Bledsoe, QB, Washington State
    31- Chris Slade, DE, Virgina
    51- Todd Rucci, OG, Penn State
    56- Vincent Brisby, WR, Luisiana-Monroe

    1994
    4- Willie McGinest, OLB, USC
    35- Kevin Lee, WR, Alabama
    78- Ervin Collier, NT, Florida A&M
    90- Joe Burch, C, Texas Southern

    1995
    23- Ty Law, CB, Michigan
    57- Ted Johnson, ILB, Colorado
    74- Curtis Martin, RB, Pittsburgh
    88- Jimmy Hitchcock, CB, North Carolina

    1996
    7- Terry Glenn, WR, Ohio State
    36- Lawyer Milloy, SS, Washington
    86- Tedy Bruschi, ILB, Arizona

    New York Jets
    1997
    8- James Farrior, ILB, Virgina
    31- Rick Terry, DT, UNC
    88- Dedric Ward, WR, Northern Iowa

    1998
    56- Dorian Boose, DE, Washington State
    67- Scott Frost, FS, Nebraska
    87- Kevin Williams, FS, Oklahoma State

    1999
    57- Randy Thomas, OG, Mississippi State
    90- David Loverne, OG, San Jose State

    Dallas Cowboys
    2003
    5- Terrence Newman, CB, Kansas State
    38- Al Johnson, C, Wisconsin
    69- Jason Witten, TE, Tennessee

    2004
    43- Julius Jones, RB, Notre Dame
    52- Jacob Rogers, OT, USC
    83- Stephen Peterman, OG, LSU

    2005
    11- DeMarcus Ware, OLB, Troy
    20- Marcus Spears, DE, LSU
    42- Kevin Burnett, OLB, Tennessee

    2006
    18- Bobby Carpenter, OLB, Ohio State
    53- Anthony Fasano, TE, Notre Dame
    92- Jason Hatcher, DE, Grambling State
    Wow Thule...... that's pretty good. Good research.


    "You know what charm is: a way of getting the answer yes without having asked any clear question."
    Albert Camus

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    • we would like Bill Parcells back please. Feel free to return him at any time before Sunday December 24. Thank you.









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      • Originally posted by Poet3334
        Originally posted by thule
        Well I broke down Parcell's first day draft history...trying to find a theme. One thing I noticed is Parcells seems to have a nitch drafting big-10 OL

        New York Giants
        1983
        10- Terry Kinard, S, Clemson
        37- Leonard Marshall, DT, LSU
        63- Jamie Williams, TE, Nebraska
        70- Karl Nelson, OT, Iowa State

        1984
        3- Carl Banks, OLB, Michigan State
        27- William Roberts, OG, Ohio State
        59- Jeff Hostetler, QB, West Virginia

        1985
        19- George Adams, RB, Kentucky
        46- Stacy Robinson, WR, North Dakota State
        58- Tyrone Davis, DB, Clemson
        73- Brian Johnston, C, North Carolina

        1986
        19- Eric Dorsey, DE, Notre Dame
        44- Mark Collins, CB, Cal State-Fullerton
        46- Erik Howard, NT, Washington State
        51- Pepper Johnson, MLB, Ohio State
        53- Greg Lasker, DB, Arkansas
        73- John Washington, DE, Oklahoma State

        1987
        28- Mark Ingram, WR, Michigan State
        55- Adrian White, S, Florida
        83- Stephen Baker, WR, Fresno State

        1988
        10- Eric Moore, OG, Indiana
        36- John Elliott, OT, Michigan
        62- Sheldon White, CB, Miami-Ohio

        1989
        18- Brian Williams, C, Minnesota
        64- Bob Kratch, OG, Iowa
        78- Greg Jackson, SS, LSU

        1990
        24- Rodney Hampton, RB, Georgia
        51- Mike Fox, DE, West Virginia
        79- Greg Mark, ILB, Miami

        New England Patriots
        1993
        1- Drew Bledsoe, QB, Washington State
        31- Chris Slade, DE, Virgina
        51- Todd Rucci, OG, Penn State
        56- Vincent Brisby, WR, Luisiana-Monroe

        1994
        4- Willie McGinest, OLB, USC
        35- Kevin Lee, WR, Alabama
        78- Ervin Collier, NT, Florida A&M
        90- Joe Burch, C, Texas Southern

        1995
        23- Ty Law, CB, Michigan
        57- Ted Johnson, ILB, Colorado
        74- Curtis Martin, RB, Pittsburgh
        88- Jimmy Hitchcock, CB, North Carolina

        1996
        7- Terry Glenn, WR, Ohio State
        36- Lawyer Milloy, SS, Washington
        86- Tedy Bruschi, ILB, Arizona

        New York Jets
        1997
        8- James Farrior, ILB, Virgina
        31- Rick Terry, DT, UNC
        88- Dedric Ward, WR, Northern Iowa

        1998
        56- Dorian Boose, DE, Washington State
        67- Scott Frost, FS, Nebraska
        87- Kevin Williams, FS, Oklahoma State

        1999
        57- Randy Thomas, OG, Mississippi State
        90- David Loverne, OG, San Jose State

        Dallas Cowboys
        2003
        5- Terrence Newman, CB, Kansas State
        38- Al Johnson, C, Wisconsin
        69- Jason Witten, TE, Tennessee

        2004
        43- Julius Jones, RB, Notre Dame
        52- Jacob Rogers, OT, USC
        83- Stephen Peterman, OG, LSU

        2005
        11- DeMarcus Ware, OLB, Troy
        20- Marcus Spears, DE, LSU
        42- Kevin Burnett, OLB, Tennessee

        2006
        18- Bobby Carpenter, OLB, Ohio State
        53- Anthony Fasano, TE, Notre Dame
        92- Jason Hatcher, DE, Grambling State
        Wow Thule...... that's pretty good. Good research.
        I actually have it broke down further too. I'm debating whether to go into the second day or not.

        But here are some interesting facts I found.

        He's drafted 4 OLB inside the top 20 picks.
        In the first day he has pretty much spread the picks out evenly.

        QB- 2
        RB- 4
        WR- 7
        TE- 2
        OT- 3
        OG- 7
        C-3

        DE- 7
        DT- 3
        OLB- 5
        ILB- 4
        CB- 7
        S- 6

        Nothing really sticks out except on position. OT. If you look at the breakdown...it is the only position that requires two starters that doesn't have a high number. If you look at the small numbers you see positions in which only one person starts....QB/RB/TE/C/DT...but OT is something that really surprised me. Interesting to see that and wonder if there is any substance behind it.

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        • From Parcells press conference:

          -On TO he will be fined but not suspended, it will be announced later today by the league.

          -On the FB flat problems, two different players making two different mental errors. I'm assuming the ILB's responsibility

          -He's not going to change the RB rotation, JJ will continue to start and MB3 is the closer, that's Bill's word.

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          • It was just announced TO was fined 35,000 by the league per ESPN, NFL Network etc. It's a little more than I expected but I still would've like to have seen it be more substantial to really send a strong message.

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            • Originally posted by Poet3334
              Originally posted by Burns336
              Originally posted by Poet3334
              Originally posted by Burns336
              I dont think carp played well at all. He just benefitted from playing vick who gets sacked all the time. Both his sacks were on vick when he was in scramble mode and ware had caused him to pretty much run into carp. Its encouraging but put your "anointing oils" away.
              Stop that. I think people are acknowledging the fact that he was in on the action and contributed. And to be quite honest, I could care less if they were scamble mode sacks or not. We need all the sacks we can get no matter what "mode" they're in.
              No i wont stop. The sacks are misleading. Many of the posters on the board dont get NFL network and the stats would lead them to believe carp had his best game and collapsed the pocket for a sack and a half. In reality he got the sacks after about 5 or 6 seconds of running around until vick was flushed into him. I hope carp turns out, all im saying is lets crush the homerism here and take the sacks for what they are. They are a product of carp being in the right place at the right time, not carp blowing past his man. on the solo sack he didnt even get off his man, vick pretty much ran into him.
              So you're saying that Carp just happened to be in the right place so Vick could "run" into him? Vick sacked himself in other words right? Those type of sacks happen all of the time. That does not diminish the sack. Would you rather Carp not been there? Vick probably still would have been running. This is not being a homer, it's wanting someone on your team to step up and do their job. Frankly, you sound like a hater to me.
              Im not a hater, i just think that for people who couldnt see the game, they should know that he wasnt some bad ass out there on the feild. yeah i want the sacks, and yeah i want carpenter to do good but im not ready to say hes becoming the 18th pick we drafted him at.

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              • Originally posted by Burns336
                Originally posted by Poet3334
                Originally posted by Burns336
                Originally posted by Poet3334
                Originally posted by Burns336
                I dont think carp played well at all. He just benefitted from playing vick who gets sacked all the time. Both his sacks were on vick when he was in scramble mode and ware had caused him to pretty much run into carp. Its encouraging but put your "anointing oils" away.
                Stop that. I think people are acknowledging the fact that he was in on the action and contributed. And to be quite honest, I could care less if they were scamble mode sacks or not. We need all the sacks we can get no matter what "mode" they're in.
                No i wont stop. The sacks are misleading. Many of the posters on the board dont get NFL network and the stats would lead them to believe carp had his best game and collapsed the pocket for a sack and a half. In reality he got the sacks after about 5 or 6 seconds of running around until vick was flushed into him. I hope carp turns out, all im saying is lets crush the homerism here and take the sacks for what they are. They are a product of carp being in the right place at the right time, not carp blowing past his man. on the solo sack he didnt even get off his man, vick pretty much ran into him.
                So you're saying that Carp just happened to be in the right place so Vick could "run" into him? Vick sacked himself in other words right? Those type of sacks happen all of the time. That does not diminish the sack. Would you rather Carp not been there? Vick probably still would have been running. This is not being a homer, it's wanting someone on your team to step up and do their job. Frankly, you sound like a hater to me.
                Im not a hater, i just think that for people who couldnt see the game, they should know that he wasnt some bad ass out there on the feild. yeah i want the sacks, and yeah i want carpenter to do good but im not ready to say hes becoming the 18th pick we drafted him at.
                Understood. But you have to admit that he's got to start somewhere. Can we at least agree on that?


                "You know what charm is: a way of getting the answer yes without having asked any clear question."
                Albert Camus

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                • While it may not be an indication of him turning in a LTesque performance, Carp's 1.5 sacks was by no means just a "right place, right time" type of deal. He was spying Vick in our nickel sets for most of the game. His first sack was a direct result of him doing this. His second one was a play in which he had beaten his man after being initially blocked, and him and DeMarcus converged at the same time. If either player had not been there, then the other would still have gotten the sack. Besides that, Bobby was in the backfield on several different plays, and showed a fair amount of ability rushing the passer. There is no reason to down-play what he did. He had an excellent game, and we might be seeing him finally breakout as a player, as he has been progressively better the last 3 or 4 weeks. Of course, he still has a ways to go to justify his draft position, but he is definitely making progress.

                  Also, I'm disappointed in the TO detractors that are downplaying his role in this game. Without him, we lose. Period. He was a true difference maker in this game, and his first TD was a catch that maybe 4 or 5 other guys could have made. Not only that, his second TD catch was a play that he simply ran right by DeAngelo "NFL's fastest man" Hall on a straight go-route. There was no double move, hesitation, or anything else. He just flat out ran his ass. I think that's what is meant by the term "game speed".

                  Obviously I'm a big fan, but I just want to say again that I love DeMarcus Ware. He was truly awesome in this game. You will never see a more athletic play then that Int he made. You simply won't, and it is another in a long line of things that he does that Merriman will never be able to do. Still, his failings as an all-around pass rusher are undeniable. He has got to learn how to do more than simply run around or bull-rush OTs. However, every other facet of his game has reached an All-Pro level for his position. He was covering Crumpler for much of the night, and was only beaten once - which happened to be a play in which he was in perfect position, and Vick just lasered the ball in the perfect spot with Alge making a nice catch despite Ware getting a hand on the ball. Not only that, but DMW's FF likely would have been the play of the game had not Ayodele just coughed the ball up for no reason. Reminiscent of the Kiwanuka play two weeks ago. I guess it really does even out over time. Oh, and just one other note, Ware got another sack early in the game that was spotted incorrectly, and thus wasn't credited as such. He stopped Vick 1 1/2 yards behind the line, but the refs spotted the ball back at the original LOS, thus negating the stat, but I digress.

                  Speaking of Crumpler, there was an obsolutely fantastic play that occurred in the 4th quarter that I feel compelled to point out. Deion was in the booth acting like he knows more than anyone else in the league (surprise surprise), and before a crucial 3rd down play he starts talking about them needing to get the ball to Crumpler more, and points out that he is being matched up fairly often with Terrence Newman and how they should exploit that as a huge mismatch in their (Falcon's) favor......lmao. Right on cue, Vick drops back and throws a dart to Crumpler on the seam - and gets the ball batted down by????? Terrence Newman. There is a bit of a dead silence, broken by Deion saying "Well, that's why he's one of the best corners in the league". I'm telling you, it was choice. Hopefully you guys can see it again on NFL Replay and enjoy it at home.
                  Originally posted by 21ST
                  He was protecting his self
                  Originally posted by tjsunstein
                  From what? His leg?
                  Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
                  That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
                  "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

                  DeMarcus Ware

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                  • I have NFL Network and I watched the entire game, Bobby Carpenter played well, not great but well. Now that doesn't excuse his lack of production earlier but you have to start somewhere and you got to walk before you can run. We should all be encouarged by his play in that game, hopefully he can build on that. Perhaps we should use Bobby some at ILB as he's gotta be better in coverage than James or Adeyole, especially at covering those damn FBs.

                    Michael Irvin gets hated on for being a homer and he definitely is obviously but Jaws is just as big of a homer for the Eagles as Playmaker is for the Boys. Jaws is acting like it's just a foregone conclusion that the Eagles are gonna come in our house and kick our butt. I know Jaws is a better analyst but he's also a big homer.

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                    • Originally posted by DMWSackMachine
                      While it may not be an indication of him turning in a LTesque performance, Carp's 1.5 sacks was by no means just a "right place, right time" type of deal. He was spying Vick in our nickel sets for most of the game. His first sack was a direct result of him doing this. His second one was a play in which he had beaten his man after being initially blocked, and him and DeMarcus converged at the same time. If either player had not been there, then the other would still have gotten the sack. Besides that, Bobby was in the backfield on several different plays, and showed a fair amount of ability rushing the passer. There is no reason to down-play what he did. He had an excellent game, and we might be seeing him finally breakout as a player, as he has been progressively better the last 3 or 4 weeks. Of course, he still has a ways to go to justify his draft position, but he is definitely making progress.

                      Also, I'm disappointed in the TO detractors that are downplaying his role in this game. Without him, we lose. Period. He was a true difference maker in this game, and his first TD was a catch that maybe 4 or 5 other guys could have made. Not only that, his second TD catch was a play that he simply ran right by DeAngelo "NFL's fastest man" Hall on a straight go-route. There was no double move, hesitation, or anything else. He just flat out ran his ass. I think that's what is meant by the term "game speed".

                      Obviously I'm a big fan, but I just want to say again that I love DeMarcus Ware. He was truly awesome in this game. You will never see a more athletic play then that Int he made. You simply won't, and it is another in a long line of things that he does that Merriman will never be able to do. Still, his failings as an all-around pass rusher are undeniable. He has got to learn how to do more than simply run around or bull-rush OTs. However, every other facet of his game has reached an All-Pro level for his position. He was covering Crumpler for much of the night, and was only beaten once - which happened to be a play in which he was in perfect position, and Vick just lasered the ball in the perfect spot with Alge making a nice catch despite Ware getting a hand on the ball. Not only that, but DMW's FF likely would have been the play of the game had not Ayodele just coughed the ball up for no reason. Reminiscent of the Kiwanuka play two weeks ago. I guess it really does even out over time. Oh, and just one other note, Ware got another sack early in the game that was spotted incorrectly, and thus wasn't credited as such. He stopped Vick 1 1/2 yards behind the line, but the refs spotted the ball back at the original LOS, thus negating the stat, but I digress.

                      Speaking of Crumpler, there was an obsolutely fantastic play that occurred in the 4th quarter that I feel compelled to point out. Deion was in the booth acting like he knows more than anyone else in the league (surprise surprise), and before a crucial 3rd down play he starts talking about them needing to get the ball to Crumpler more, and points out that he is being matched up fairly often with Terrence Newman and how they should exploit that as a huge mismatch in their (Falcon's) favor......lmao. Right on cue, Vick drops back and throws a dart to Crumpler on the seam - and gets the ball batted down by????? Terrence Newman. There is a bit of a dead silence, broken by Deion saying "Well, that's why he's one of the best corners in the league". I'm telling you, it was choice. Hopefully you guys can see it again on NFL Replay and enjoy it at home.
                      Good stuff DMW. That play by Newman could have been the biggest in the game.


                      "You know what charm is: a way of getting the answer yes without having asked any clear question."
                      Albert Camus

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                      • on carp

                        Bill Parcells has said in the past that there are usually 4-5 guys who are elite status guys who come into the league ready to play, after that it is a bunch of guys who you will have to work on, i.e. coach up to get them ready to play, now we have been lucky the past few years with our picks, but even ware is in parcells mind a work in progress i think carp is coming along just fine, if a little slower than we would like. This is why draft experts say it takes three years to grade a draft, cuz it takes that long to coach some of these guys.

                        Carp is playing more and more which means he has shown improvement in practice and is earning parcells trust as a lb and as a passrusher, honestly in my opinion he would start full time if he was better against the run as he has shown some good moves for a rookie as a pass rusher and a good ability to cover. I fully expect him to start next year and to be more of an impact player these last two weeks and into the playoffs

                        On T.O. this to me is a the first time this year i have seriously been angry with him, spitting on anyone is an absolute classless act and reflects poorly on the cowboys, no matter what the circumstances it showed me that he is not someone i want on this team

                        I think philly will be a tough game for us this weekend were in and hopefully we don't lose focus and allow garcia to do what vick did this weekend cuz the offense cant score 31 every game, lol well maybe they can we average 27.6 i think, but defense wins championships
                        The d-ware show 2006

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                        • I see someone already has this as an avatar, but this is awesome. Anyone who does this to hall is a friend of mine.

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                          • Originally posted by ShutDwn



                            I see someone already has this as an avatar, but this is awesome. Anyone who does this to hall is a friend of mine.
                            Still makes me

                            Still think I'm the only person who could care less the TO spit on Hall. Now Champ or another "top" CB I would care.

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                            • That avy is too big. Make it smaller.

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                              • Originally posted by cardsalltheway
                                That avy is too big. Make it smaller.
                                You ruin everyone's fun.

                                BoneKrusher

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