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  • Ok guys we're taking this way too far out of the realm of football discusion. It's definitely an interesting debate/arguement but really doesn't have anything to do with football. I agree with BBD and I can agree with LSU only in the sense that it probably does have something to do with self esteem and psychological issues but spitting on someone is inherently disrespectful. I don't think it's abnormal to feel disrespected by that even if it does reflect on your own self esteem and psycholgical state. It's really a man thing, you don't see women do stuff like this by and large and women may not be as offended or affected. As men we can accept a lot of stuff I think but when we really feel as though we have been disrespected or denegrated it angers us immensely, that's just the way it is. Furthermore I think we as men really look down on actions such as spitting that we view as the actions of a p u s s y. There are certain things that real men just don't do like sucker puching or spitting or hitting a woman etc. That's how I feel on the matter but obviously this has nothing to do with football so I think we should all just drop the discussion.

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    • What I'm saying is that if someone spits on me, it's up to me to be offended or not. If I chose to be offended then that's my choice.

      No one can offend me without my permission. They can however cause physical injury to me without my permission. Whether it's calling me names, insulting my family, spitting on me or some other non-physical attack, I have the power to chose to be offended or not.

      That's the crux of the issue. Society has taken a 'vicitim' approach and now everyone justifies their actions because they were a victim of the offense. I personally find that argument about justification of retaliation based on this offense to be a weak and pathetic argument.

      As for whether this is football related or not, it does directly relate to Terrell Owens and is based on recent actions so I feel it's completely relevent to the discussion.

      Designs by Thule



      Originally posted by DMWSackMachine
      I just wanna warn you guys not to take TNew41 too seriously. He's....let's just say, special. He's fairly harmless, though. He just needs several years of seasoning before he tries to make any more points, is all.

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      • LSU, In a way I agree with you but in a way I don't. It's like when you're a little kid and your parents tell you sticks and stones can break your bones but words can never hurt you. Well that sounds all well and good in theory but in reality it takes an incredibly strong person mentally and emotionally to not be affected by words that are extremely hurtful, disrespectful, and basically an attempt to make someone feel like something less than human, like a worthless piece of blank. Yes it's true that we can choose how we feel and how we react and how we percieve things like that but in reality it takes an extremely strong person mentally and emotionally to not be at least a little bit affected. I think the bottom line is that this is a divisive issue because our opinions on it were shaped by our own life and experiences and I'm presuming our lives and childhood were pretty different. LSU, I respect your intelligence and opinion but I think we will never agree on this, but it's definitely an interesting debate although I don't think it has anything to do with football. I've probably taken this too far as it is really interesting.

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        • Yeah let's just drop the subject. Personally, I don't know anyone who wouldn't let it get to them (the spitting that is) but Im also known to be a fiery guy, so Im biased in that regards.

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          • It has as much to do with football as half of the stuff we talk about in here. Sportsmanship and inter-personal relationships are a big part of the game, and we are currently dealing with a rather well-publicized breach of the rules that govern those things.

            I want to give props to my boy LSU for making such good points, and I couldn't possibly agree more. This is a mark on our society more than anything, and shows the complete loss of perspective that has come about in our culture. For example, take the Bengals. A team that has had EIGHT DIFFERENT ARRESTS in one season. After the first 4 or 5, it was merely a nagging problem that some people were talking about as something that "should be looked at", but was largely escaping notice from most media members, and was actually dismissed as a non-issue by the head coach. Now imagine what would have happened if a team had 4 or 5 incidents in the same span of players spitting on the opposition, including a couple of repeat offenders. There would be heads rolling, a media firestorm, the guilty parties would be vilified and slandered non-stop and the head coach may have lost his job over it. What does that tell you about the way things are viewed in this league?

            It's worse to show contempt for another human being and be a bad sport than it is to endanger other people's lives by driving while intoxicated, or to be illegally carrying a deadly weapon etc. There is no one yelling at the top of their lungs about what a thug Chris Henry is, or how they would never want Deltha O'Neal as a teammate. In fact, if they ever do talk about them they show sympathy and say things like "I just hope he gets help", and yet TO is being used as a sounding board for people to get up on their soap-boxes and high-horses and talk down about someone.

            I don't condone what TO did, nor do I think it reflects well upon the type of person he is, but the magnitutude of his offense is not anywhere in the neighborhood of some other things that go completely unnoticed and untalked about. It's inconsistent, unfair, and ultimately reflects back upon all the talking heads that run off their mouths in such a self-righteous manner.

            LSU, my hat goes off to you for your post.
            Originally posted by 21ST
            He was protecting his self
            Originally posted by tjsunstein
            From what? His leg?
            Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
            That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
            "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

            DeMarcus Ware

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            • Originally posted by bigbluedefense
              I agree on Ware. He's an all pro in every facet of his game except pass rushing. Do you think if he doesn't improve his pass rushing technique that he will be better off at SAM? It kind of makes the Carp pick a waste though unless he moves inside.
              I have to admit that I've thought about this, but, imo, there is no way that you can make that move. The only way that you can justify it is if you have a better pass rusher ready to go on the weakside, and while there are guys available that might be pretty good, it's highly unlikely that you are going to find anyone better than DeMarcus. Remember, he might not be unstoppable, but he's still among the top 20 or so pass rushers in this league. That is pretty rarified air.

              Plus, some people just develop at a slower pace. DeMarcus could still become a 15 sack monster in a couple years with some work on his moves and a little more freedom to work with inside the scheme. Remember, Strahan was a nobody at this time in his career. Osi was still figuring things out, Bruce Smith was being termed an "under-achiever", etc etc. So there is plenty of time for him to hone his pressure skills, and I remain hopeful that that will happen in time. If not, he will still be among the very best front seven players in the game. He is that good, even without the big sack numbers.
              Originally posted by 21ST
              He was protecting his self
              Originally posted by tjsunstein
              From what? His leg?
              Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
              That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
              "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

              DeMarcus Ware

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              • The difference is abuse of alcohol is a disease that comes out later in life. Most often after you turn 21. You do help those guys get help and anyway I think there is plenty of Bengal bashing going on all over.

                However not spitting on someone is something you learn at about 3 years old. I guess it is different when TO is on your own team. I wonder what everyone's opinion of Sean Taylor was last year. To me I just find it absolutely inexcusable to spit on someone. More so than driving drunk. Both are inexusable but I could see where one would falter concerning drinking. I can't with spitting on someone else.

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                • Originally posted by DMWSackMachine
                  It has as much to do with football as half of the stuff we talk about in here. Sportsmanship and inter-personal relationships are a big part of the game, and we are currently dealing with a rather well-publicized breach of the rules that govern those things.

                  I want to give props to my boy LSU for making such good points, and I couldn't possibly agree more. This is a mark on our society more than anything, and shows the complete loss of perspective that has come about in our culture. For example, take the Bengals. A team that has had EIGHT DIFFERENT ARRESTS in one season. After the first 4 or 5, it was merely a nagging problem that some people were talking about as something that "should be looked at", but was largely escaping notice from most media members, and was actually dismissed as a non-issue by the head coach. Now imagine what would have happened if a team had 4 or 5 incidents in the same span of players spitting on the opposition, including a couple of repeat offenders. There would be heads rolling, a media firestorm, the guilty parties would be vilified and slandered non-stop and the head coach may have lost his job over it. What does that tell you about the way things are viewed in this league?

                  It's worse to show contempt for another human being and be a bad sport than it is to endanger other people's lives by driving while intoxicated, or to be illegally carrying a deadly weapon etc. There is no one yelling at the top of their lungs about what a thug Chris Henry is, or how they would never want Deltha O'Neal as a teammate. In fact, if they ever do talk about them they show sympathy and say things like "I just hope he gets help", and yet TO is being used as a sounding board for people to get up on their soap-boxes and high-horses and talk down about someone.

                  I don't condone what TO did, nor do I think it reflects well upon the type of person he is, but the magnitutude of his offense is not anywhere in the neighborhood of some other things that go completely unnoticed and untalked about. It's inconsistent, unfair, and ultimately reflects back upon all the talking heads that run off their mouths in such a self-righteous manner.

                  LSU, my hat goes off to you for your post.
                  Come on now, be honest with yourself...we both know that if TO wasn't a Cowboy you wouldn't have the same stance on this situation.

                  In fact, Im pretty sure you weren't exactly as compassionate about the subject matter as you are now when Taylor did it last year.

                  I ask all Dallas fans here to ask yourself this. Did you rip on Sean Taylor last year for doing it? Because if you did, you have no right to defend TO for doing it this year, or make it out to be any less significant of an action. They were both wrong and both deserved all the backlash they got for their actions.

                  Im not saying it because he's a Cowboy either. Its just the truth. If one of my guys did that Id be flipping a brick on the Giants team discussion. I just don't find it appropriate in any way no matter how you slice it. And to nonchalently brush it off like it was nothing, like he did is absolutely ridiculous. And then to appeal the fine and say he mightve just accidently did it after admitting to do it on purpose on air...words can't describe how ridiculous that was.

                  I know he's on the Cowboys, and because of that most here are a little more supportive of him. But lets face it, TO is what he is. Lets not play the corporate line and ignore all the negative elements he brings to the table. He is what he is.

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                  • Originally posted by DMWSackMachine
                    Originally posted by bigbluedefense
                    I agree on Ware. He's an all pro in every facet of his game except pass rushing. Do you think if he doesn't improve his pass rushing technique that he will be better off at SAM? It kind of makes the Carp pick a waste though unless he moves inside.
                    I have to admit that I've thought about this, but, imo, there is no way that you can make that move. The only way that you can justify it is if you have a better pass rusher ready to go on the weakside, and while there are guys available that might be pretty good, it's highly unlikely that you are going to find anyone better than DeMarcus. Remember, he might not be unstoppable, but he's still among the top 20 or so pass rushers in this league. That is pretty rarified air.

                    Plus, some people just develop at a slower pace. DeMarcus could still become a 15 sack monster in a couple years with some work on his moves and a little more freedom to work with inside the scheme. Remember, Strahan was a nobody at this time in his career. Osi was still figuring things out, Bruce Smith was being termed an "under-achiever", etc etc. So there is plenty of time for him to hone his pressure skills, and I remain hopeful that that will happen in time. If not, he will still be among the very best front seven players in the game. He is that good, even without the big sack numbers.
                    I agree. Great point.

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                    • The thing that really has me POed is that we're even having to talk about this BS and that the media is going to talk about it all week and that there's even a small chance that it might become a distraction to our players and distract their attention from the task at hand. We should be talking about our biggest game of the year against Philly and arguabely our biggest game in 8 years since it's been that long since we last won the division and had a home playoff game, and what we have to do to beat them and win the division for the first time since 98.

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                      • Originally posted by dpl85
                        The thing that really has me POed is that we're even having to talk about this BS and that the media is going to talk about it all week and that there's even a small chance that it might become a distraction to our players and distract their attention from the task at hand. We should be talking about our biggest game of the year against Philly and arguabely our biggest game in 8 years since it's been that long since we last won the division and had a home playoff game, and what we have to do to beat them and win the division for the first time since 98.
                        Well you can thank TO for that. The media will probably blow this out of proportion a little bit, but this is still a very big story. An all pro WR with a history of incidents spitting in the face of another big star and then basically admitting it.

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                        • Newman better make this PB

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                          • Snubbed...again.

                            Least Ware made it.

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                            • If Terence Newman doesn't make the pro bowl as a starter or reserve I will just snap. :x There's no doubt in my mind that he's better than Hall and Barber, Newman doesn't get INTs cuz teams are afraid to throw at him, what's so hard to understand about that?

                              I love D-Ware and Roy but Newman deserves it more than them. I would say he's our most deserving player by far.

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                              • We have two starters. A punter and a LB. What a joke.

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