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  • Originally posted by DMWSackMachine View Post
    Its hard to see us retaining Roy at that price tag for another year. Parcells used to say "you can't have a steak on every plate." This isn't because you can't find them, but because you can't pay "steak" prices. We just gave Austin #1 money. Roy is already getting it. The only way you do that is if you are getting major bargains at other positions AND if you are getting an unstoppable one-two punch in return. Since neither of those are the case, the Boys will almost certainly be a) restructuring Roy's deal or b) cutting him loose altogether.

    All that said, I don't see us spending another premium pick on WR unless there is a major steal available in the second or third round, essentially forcing our hands. Even then...we would probably try to trade back and get our value that way. All we really need is a decent 3rd wideout who can play some slot. Hurd and Ogletree would both be sufficient enough in the role.

    I don't see it.
    I have a hard time believing that Roy will still around as well. There's always going to be a chance, but the writing was on the wall the moment we drafted Dez.

    If he has a season that defies the doubters, then I think we will try to find a trade partner. ...and I think there is a good chance that he does have a very good season. I think he will definitely re-raise his stock. Think about it, this is Roy's 3rd season with Romo. You know how the saying goes that it takes 3 years for rookie WRs to blossom... well, a lot of that is because it takes that long to build a working relationship with your QB... getting the timing down and understanding each other, when both QB and WR can read the defense the same and know how to react, then you see great chemistry establish...all those things naturally take time. Exceptions will occur of course, but we're talking about Roy. lol. He should have a nice year.

    I still want us to pursue Jared Gaither. I mentioned dangling one of our RBs in front of them, but maybe Roy can entice them.... I dunno.

    I agree we can't have steak on every plate. The problem is that our 2009 draft was a complete massacre. Drafts are where we get cheap, talented fill ins. But we screwed up. Royally... and we will now either have to hope we didn't screw up, or pay a pretty penny on FAs to keep up with the competition... or simply not keep up.

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    • Originally posted by CDCB14 View Post
      On a different note, if Roy becomes a non-factor again and we cut him, is WR a possibility in the 2nd-3rd round? A scat/slot type of guy?
      What kind of cap hit would that entail, cutting Roy Williams?

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      • Originally posted by LizardState View Post
        What kind of cap hit would that entail, cutting Roy Williams?
        I'm pretty sure it's minimal. He got paid a $26M dollar signing bonus that will have been paid out. $13M last year and $13M this year. Jerry wisely made his contact front loaded. His base salary is going to go up, but that's all non-guaranteed money anyways. That's the reason why I've been having the assumption that he'll be an easy cut. A lot of people were talking about cutting him before this season started, but I knew that wasn't going to happen considering he's owed a guaranteed $13M.

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        • I'd hope we wouldnt spend a 2nd/3rd on WR. I wouldnt consider any offensive skill position in that range. We have real needs...I dont want to be wasting picks on luxuries.

          Hurd as the 3 works great, if they choose to go that route. They like Miles in the slot anyway, so Hurd on the outside would work better than Ogletree. Or, if Ogletree develops...perhaps you move Miles back outside on 3rd downs and have Oggs lineup in the slot. Everyone here should know what I want to do. Hurd as the #3! :D

          We really need to attack that o-line in the draft. I want as many high picks as possible...and of course, a safety. Which we havent addressed in far too long. I'd love for AOA to pan out, but if we can get a game changer/ball hawking type. You have to pull the trigger. Check out Earl Thomas and Nate Allen already...they each have two interceptions already and both look worlds better than Alan Ball.

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          • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
            I'd hope we wouldnt spend a 2nd/3rd on WR. I wouldnt consider any offensive skill position in that range. We have real needs...I dont want to be wasting picks on luxuries.

            Hurd as the 3 works great, if they choose to go that route. They like Miles in the slot anyway, so Hurd on the outside would work better than Ogletree. Or, if Ogletree develops...perhaps you move Miles back outside on 3rd downs and have Oggs lineup in the slot. Everyone here should know what I want to do. Hurd as the #3! :D

            We really need to attack that o-line in the draft. I want as many high picks as possible...and of course, a safety. Which we havent addressed in far too long. I'd love for AOA to pan out, but if we can get a game changer/ball hawking type. You have to pull the trigger. Check out Earl Thomas and Nate Allen already...they each have two interceptions already and both look worlds better than Alan Ball.
            I echo that statement... but no OL in the first round pls. I want an impact Safety.

            Even Charles Godfrey is looking good.

            As for AOA, the more I see of him, the less I'm impressed. True, he's very young and we needed to expect a slow development, but that was pertaining to him as a Safety. The KR stuff was supposed to be more immediate, and he has looked completely average so far. No burst, no vision, no lateral agility... Am I missing something? I know MOTH seems to be impressed, but I don't know why.

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            • I'm not that impressed with him. Not yet. He does have some burst, though. But it seems like we never have any room to run on kick return. I still think he's the best option we have on kick return and can potentially be a great one.

              And while it was preseason, he showed a lot of lateral movement and agility out there. Still too early to give up on him. I like the potential.
              Last edited by M.O.T.H.; 09-29-2010, 12:27 PM.

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              • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
                I'm not that impressed with him. Not yet. He does have some burst, though. But it seems like we never have any room to run on kick return. I still think he's the best option we have on kick return and can potentially be a great one.

                And while it was preseason, he showed a lot of lateral movement and agility out there. Still too early to give up on him. I like the potential.
                While I wouldn't say I'm giving up on him, I would yank him from those duties if I'm the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. I want someone who I know is better. I want to play the best man for the job... and that is... Felix Jones.

                The dude barely touches the ball anyways. I'd get his ass back there on KRs. I have no reason to fear injury. I have 2 other bad ass RBs to spare.

                If AOA has one more game and can't get the ball past the 25 yard line, then he needs to be benched until he can figure it out.

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                • While it was against 3rd stringers, he did play pretty well at safety against the Chargers.

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                  • Even Felix was having trouble getting it to the 20 every once and a while due to the blocking. 2009 he was averaging 22.6, which is actually worse than AOA at this point. They're good return men, but there are always players meeting them way too early. Our kick return averages havent been decent since 06.

                    I just want us to feed Felix the god damn ball in the offense. Dammit. haha.
                    Last edited by M.O.T.H.; 09-29-2010, 01:02 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
                      Even Felix was having trouble getting it to the 20 every once and a while due to the blocking. 2009 he was averaging 22.6, which is actually worse than AOA at this point. They're good return men, but there are always players meeting them way too early. Our kick return averages havent been decent since 06.

                      I just want us to feed Felix the god damn ball in the offense. Dammit. haha.
                      Blocking is always a part of the equation, but kick returning is a natural skill. You either got it or you don't. If you got it, you don't use blocking as an excuse.

                      Boy... Brandon Tate in NE makes me a sad panda.

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                      • Which young safety do you like the most?

                        Michael Hamlin, Barry Church, or Danny McCray?

                        I'm leaving AOA out of it for now. He hasn't even had a lick of playing time.

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                        • Michael Hamlin.

                          Church cant cover and Mccray is more of a mystery. Hamlin is the most well rounded.

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                          • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                            Which young safety do you like the most?

                            Michael Hamlin, Barry Church, or Danny McCray?

                            I'm leaving AOA out of it for now. He hasn't even had a lick of playing time.
                            Well, I think it needs to be said that AOA needs absolutely no judgement made until at least next year due to his learning curve. This guy has some freaky tools so let's tap the breaks on him

                            Hamlin is probably the best safety right now. I agree that McCray is a mystery, but has some tools. I like the look they gave on goal line with Church in that package. He's almost like an extra linebacker because of his size. I think he's got a role here on goal line and ST.

                            I think if we had to play one of them at safety right now, it would be Hamlin. However, I am still very excited about AOA's ceiling.
                            In war, you win or lose, live or die - and the difference is just an eyelash.


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                            • Here's the no catch that everyone was talking about

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                              • That's a bad man right there.

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