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  • Does Tashard Choice even get playing time anymore? Didn't see him out there at all yesterday, other than short yardage situations I like him more than Barber at this point.

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    • I don't think choice got a carry the past 2 games. Maybe he messes up in practice? idk.

      Another thing, why is Jason Campbell dogsh*t against everyone but us?

      I really want to know what we did to make the football gods hate us..

      This unlucky sh*t is getting old.

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      • Our post season hopes can officially be crushed now. 4 more losses leaves us with an 8-8 record, and I can see us easily losing to NY at least once, losing at GB, losing to NOR and losing @Indy... I didn't even mention that we still play Philly twice. Our season is over and I initially wanted to start off this post by saying, "Hey, we still have a chance!" But after looking at the schedule by googling it... I said to myself.... Nope... not this time. I usually try to stay optimistic... even in my heart, when my head says there's no chance. But this time... even my heart says we're done... agreeing with what my head told me last week.

        The team has no discipline. None. That's ALL on the coach. Completely. He's allowed his players to get away with it without penalty and punishment, so they don't care that much. Even if they say they care, they really don't.

        Hey look at Miles Austin, he can jump like a frog! Ooh ooh! Look at him! Wow!

        What a joke.

        Wade shouldn't even allow the guys to cheer after completing a good play. Really, there's nothing to cheer about. Just go out and keep doing your job. No need to point to the sky or pound your chest or make fancy gestures with your hands or body. Just **** and line up for the next play! I totally blame the head coach for all things related to discipline. Wade is done in Dallas boys... and that's a GOOD thing. Ole fluffy boy needs to get the boot. If it were up to me I'd do it now, and put an interim coach in there. A message needs to be sent. Make Garrett the HC for all I care. We'll see how it works out once and for all and if he sucks... hey, at least we were done before he started and now we can finally get rid of him too.

        Remember when we fired our STs coach, vested the entire 2009 draft in guys who were "special teams" specialists? Well Decamillis is a loser STs coach too. He thinks AOA is good at KOs. He has not improved our STs Unit. Our guys still can't block and still can't cover. We've not improved since our dreadful 2008 season. Time to find a new STs coach too!

        Hey Jerry, did you see Atogwe's interception yesterday? Yes sir... you let one get away. You traded for Alex Barron, when you should've had discussions with that team to trade for Atogwe! You had something they wanted! Throw in a draft pick and he's ours! Not like you haven't thrown away entire drafts before!

        Hey guess what??? This year's safety class is a peice of dog ****! When Taylor Mays was falling and falling in the draft you failed to trade up for him. Instead you got a LB who is a constant injury concern and can't find time on the field over a couple of slow legged veterans...even as a NICKEL LB! Jimminy Cricket!

        Felix Jones... 14 carries, 32 yards. 2.3 ypc. Yikes. You suck. We need to trade your ass while you still have value... as minimal as it is. We might be able to get a 4th rounder out of you. 3rd might be asking for too much.


        There are 3 things we need to do NOW!

        1. We need to start playing Tashard Choice. He's our best RB and he doesn't even touch the ball. Someone (JG) needs to get his head out of his ass and make the change. Felix is not the back we hoped for and Barber is just a situational back these days.

        2. Felix needs to be our KO returner on a full time basis. To hell with worrying about him getting hurt.

        3. Wade needs to be fired. Garrett should be given full reigns so we can know if he can be our future HC or not!

        4. We need to make a trades to bring help in the OL and at S. We have a lot of fat we can trim at WR. Roy Williams' stock is about as high as it'll get. Honestly, we can't fault him for a single thing. He's playing his ass off and not making as many mistakes this year. Our RB stable is fat and unhappy. Time to trim the fat and reallocate our resources.

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        • The Vikes D-Line completely destroyed our offensive line. I honestly dont know what you'd want Felix or Barber to do here. Choice wouldnt have done any better, AD wouldnt have done any better. They have one of the best D-Lines in the league, and we have a ****** offensive line, with three banged up interior lineman. It was a no win situation on the ground. And for the RBs, it was like running into a brick wall. It was a rare moment when our RBs got to the second level. Once again, our line was being killed at the point of attack. If you cant see that, you need glasses good sir. We have plenty of talent at RB, but without consistent run blocking, they're not going to do ****. I dont care who the back is. The line needs to be blown up.

          And Roy is untradeable, due to that contract. He's playing well, but no one would take him at that price. It's a rare trade that you'd find any real help at O-Line or S at the deadline anyway.
          Last edited by M.O.T.H.; 10-18-2010, 02:56 PM.

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          • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
            The Vikes D-Line completely destroyed our offensive line. I honestly dont know what you'd want Felix or Barber to do here. Choice wouldnt have done any better, AD wouldnt have done any better. They have one of the best D-Lines in the league, and we have a ****** offensive line, with three banged up interior lineman. It was a no win situation on the ground. And for the RBs, it was like running into a brick wall. It was a rare moment when our RBs got to the second level. Once again, our line was being killed at the point of attack. If you cant see that, you need glasses good sir. We have plenty of talent at RB, but without consistent run blocking, they're not going to do ****. I dont care who the back is. The line needs to be blown up.

            And Roy is untradeable, due to that contract. He's playing well, but no one would take him at that price. It's a rare trade that you'd find any real help at O-Line or S at the deadline anyway.
            I wonder if you guys will bother trying to establish the run against us or not. I imagine it would be the same ole trying to throw to win against us too. Right now we are playing very well against the run, so I'd expect the usual shootout with Romo throwing tons of times. I think it will be interesting game, just due to the fact you guys have tons of talent, so counting you totally out would be a mistake.

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            • I have no idea what we'll do. Garrett went incredibly conservative against the Vikes. Playcalling was extremely timid, and he attempted to protect that offensive line the best he could. But calling 15 or so, screens/swing passes isnt going to win you ball games. Garrett has no faith in the O-line and his playcalling is obviously a reflection of that, these days.

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              • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
                The Vikes D-Line completely destroyed our offensive line. I honestly dont know what you'd want Felix or Barber to do here. Choice wouldnt have done any better, AD wouldnt have done any better. They have one of the best D-Lines in the league, and we have a ****** offensive line, with three banged up interior lineman. It was a no win situation on the ground. And for the RBs, it was like running into a brick wall. It was a rare moment when our RBs got to the second level. Once again, our line was being killed at the point of attack. If you cant see that, you need glasses good sir. We have plenty of talent at RB, but without consistent run blocking, they're not going to do ****. I dont care who the back is. The line needs to be blown up.
                Um, I don't quite agree. I do think their DL got the better of our OL, but they do that to virtually everyone. I actually think our OL held up better than I anticipated. I know yards don't mean victories, but they did keep the DL occupied enough to gain 314 net yards. Thats 14 yards off the most gained on them by anyone and more than the Saints gained on them.

                I'm not saying our OL was great, but to say they were 'destroyed' is a bit over dramatic.
                In war, you win or lose, live or die - and the difference is just an eyelash.


                -Douglas MacArthur

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                • Felix doesn't look the same, I don't care about our offensive line. He's still a good player and showed it last week but he had over 20 touches, where are the big plays? Last year he needed a few plays to house something, blocking wasn't even an issue, he just could wiggle his way through traffic. Look at the highlights, I don't need to post them because we should all remember, let's not(yes MOTH I mean you lol) act like Felix needs pro bowl blocking to make a play.


                  If that is the case then he's not as special as any of us thought. I'm not bashing him, and he does need a crease, but there were tons of plays Sunday he would have scored on last year especially when he got out into space. He's still our best RB, and Choice should play more, but your ignoring the obvious if nobody wants to acknowledge he's not the same as the 2 years prior, while still good he's lost some explosiveness.


                  Any money we hear about him losing weight this off-season.


                  I just hope we get a top 10 pick, at this point I'd be happier with losses, that means we will probably clean house with the coaches, and get a better chance at a truly elite player.


                  But since there aren't any legit Safeties worth it, or tackles, it'll be tricky.


                  And D, are you really blaming Jerry for not trading up to get Taylor Mays? Lol. He sucks. NOBODY wanted Taylor Mays, there is a good reason he slid as far as he did with no one trading up and that's because he cant cover in space, and is a horrible fit with our football team.


                  You know how much we blitz and how much we leave players in man to man, ummm Taylor Mays would be a disaster that way. He's great in cover 2, lots of zone, keeping plays in front of him, but I don't know why you won't admit he'd be terrible on our team even if another team found a place for him. You've got to let that one go, he's not a good player, hasn't shown he'll be one yet for SF, and would be attrocious for us. None of his strengths we would be able to use on our defense and every single one of his weaknesses we expect out of a safety.


                  Also, another thing we haven't talked about is the fact that Buehler is our FG kicker now, anyone notice how he doesn't have nearly as many touchbacks? That's why our ST units was so good last year they rarely had to tackle anyone. Now that he's worked on kicking FG's he's not powering the ball into the endzone anymore.





                  Originally posted by Scott Wright
                  I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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                  • Originally posted by Macarthur View Post
                    Um, I don't quite agree. I do think their DL got the better of our OL, but they do that to virtually everyone. I actually think our OL held up better than I anticipated. I know yards don't mean victories, but they did keep the DL occupied enough to gain 314 net yards. Thats 14 yards off the most gained on them by anyone and more than the Saints gained on them.

                    I'm not saying our OL was great, but to say they were 'destroyed' is a bit over dramatic.
                    I meant in the running game. There were no running lanes at all. The word "destroyed" is just fine to use in this regard. Where were the holes?

                    But the passing game wasnt all that much better. The stats dont paint an accurate picture in this game. We threw 17 screens or swing passes. 10 to a wide open, uncovered Felix Jones. We rarely tried to throw down field, most of the playcalling was designed to be short. The gameplan was as such, because there was no confidence for them to hold up against a much better defensive line. And when we rarely did attempt to throw down field, the O-Line were being bull rushed into the pocket, collapsing it. Romo had to take off several times.

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                    • Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
                      Felix doesn't look the same, I don't care about our offensive line. He's still a good player and showed it last week but he had over 20 touches, where are the big plays? Last year he needed a few plays to house something, blocking wasn't even an issue, he just could wiggle his way through traffic. Look at the highlights, I don't need to post them because we should all remember, let's not(yes MOTH I mean you lol) act like Felix needs pro bowl blocking to make a play.


                      If that is the case then he's not as special as any of us thought. I'm not bashing him, and he does need a crease, but there were tons of plays Sunday he would have scored on last year especially when he got out into space. He's still our best RB, and Choice should play more, but your ignoring the obvious if nobody wants to acknowledge he's not the same as the 2 years prior, while still good he's lost some explosiveness.


                      Any money we hear about him losing weight this off-season.


                      I just hope we get a top 10 pick, at this point I'd be happier with losses, that means we will probably clean house with the coaches, and get a better chance at a truly elite player.


                      But since there aren't any legit Safeties worth it, or tackles, it'll be tricky.


                      And D, are you really blaming Jerry for not trading up to get Taylor Mays? Lol. He sucks. NOBODY wanted Taylor Mays, there is a good reason he slid as far as he did with no one trading up and that's because he cant cover in space, and is a horrible fit with our football team.


                      You know how much we blitz and how much we leave players in man to man, ummm Taylor Mays would be a disaster that way. He's great in cover 2, lots of zone, keeping plays in front of him, but I don't know why you won't admit he'd be terrible on our team even if another team found a place for him. You've got to let that one go, he's not a good player, hasn't shown he'll be one yet for SF, and would be attrocious for us. None of his strengths we would be able to use on our defense and every single one of his weaknesses we expect out of a safety.


                      Also, another thing we haven't talked about is the fact that Buehler is our FG kicker now, anyone notice how he doesn't have nearly as many touchbacks? That's why our ST units was so good last year they rarely had to tackle anyone. Now that he's worked on kicking FG's he's not powering the ball into the endzone anymore.
                      You guys expect big plays in every game, against some of the best defenses. I dont know what to tell you. Our o-line is ****...blocking wasnt an issue last year? Look at any youtube video of Felix's big runs last year, the majority of which, he was running through massive holes and they're not there this season. Felix makes people miss at the 2nd level, and we cant get him there at all right now. Felix doesnt look any slower at all. When he's in the open field, he looks exactly the same as he always did. Did you see him on the last play of the game? He showed every bit of that speed and explosiveness.

                      I really dont know what to tell you guys...re-watch these games if you have to. There were no running lanes. Give me any back on our team or in the league, they're not going to be successful in this game.

                      I have no problem, if you want to hate on him a bit for only have 61 yards on 10 receptions, and getting tackled by corners. Even I hoped for more on those plays. But seriously...in the running game, you guys are expecting him to do big things with no blocking. Good luck. I dont even know how else to put it...there were no lanes, our line was over powered on the ground, by a great defensive line. I say kudos to them. Because they made it look easy.

                      edit...also, this is all a little hilarious to me. Because Felix looked fantastic against the Titans and then he has a rough game, with no blocking, mind you...and there is something wrong with him again. lolz.
                      Last edited by M.O.T.H.; 10-18-2010, 03:58 PM.

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                      • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
                        I meant in the running game. There were no running lanes at all. The word "destroyed" is just fine to use in this regard. Where were the holes?
                        3.4 yards per rush is not good, but I just wouldn't use the term 'destroyed'.

                        But the passing game wasnt all that much better. The stats dont paint an accurate picture in this game. We threw 17 screens or swing passes. 10 to a wide open, uncovered Felix Jones. We rarely tried to throw down field, most of the playcalling was designed to be short. The gameplan was as such, because there was no confidence for them to hold up against a much better defensive line. And when we rarely did attempt to throw down field, the O-Line were being bull rushed into the pocket, collapsing it. Romo had to take off several times.
                        The gameplan was to protect the OL; no doubt. Let's not forget that had Miles not made a stupid push off penalty, we got 60+ yards on that one play. That puts our yardage close to 400.

                        Frankly, I didn't have many issues with Garrett's game plan. I think they executed it fairly well with the obvious exception of the turnovers and penalties. I didn't mind going for that pass on 3rd and 1 that got picked off. I didn't like that play, but I didn't mind trying to catch them off guard there.

                        Again, I'm not saying they were great, but given the environment and the game plan, I thought they did okay. Minn didn't have a sack; I know Tony's elusiveness helped that.

                        If you had told me before the game that Kosier would go out and they would have over 300 yards and no sacks, I think most of us would have been okay with that.
                        In war, you win or lose, live or die - and the difference is just an eyelash.


                        -Douglas MacArthur

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                        • I really dont know what to tell you guys...re-watch these games if you have to. There were no running lanes. Give me any back on our team or in the league, they're not going to be successful in this game.
                          It's not just you guys. Our OL blocking has declined as well. There is a huge reason why Jacobs lost his spot. He needs perfect pristine blocking to get his 5 yards a carry. If not, then he is ineffective. The key is have an RB who can make stuff happen where there are no holes. That's what we are basically doing now. We are at the point where we run a play, and say Bradshaw make something happen, even if the play is dead.

                          That's what you need your RBs or one of them to do, especially if there is no run blocking. Just make something happen out of nothing.

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                          • Originally posted by Macarthur View Post
                            3.4 yards per rush is not good, but I just wouldn't use the term 'destroyed'.



                            The gameplan was to protect the OL; no doubt. Let's not forget that had Miles not made a stupid push off penalty, we got 60+ yards on that one play. That puts our yardage close to 400.

                            Frankly, I didn't have many issues with Garrett's game plan. I think they executed it fairly well with the obvious exception of the turnovers and penalties. I didn't mind going for that pass on 3rd and 1 that got picked off. I didn't like that play, but I didn't mind trying to catch them off guard there.

                            Again, I'm not saying they were great, but given the environment and the game plan, I thought they did okay. Minn didn't have a sack; I know Tony's elusiveness helped that.

                            If you had told me before the game that Kosier would go out and they would have over 300 yards and no sacks, I think most of us would have been okay with that.
                            That push off was the only reason Miles was even open, so lets not even count that.

                            A 300 yard game is nothing spectacular. That's essentially what the Vikes give up every game. And Romo normally can get that by himself. haha. And they completely shut down the run...without Romo's runs, the backs only averaged a good 2.6 yards per carry.

                            But, Garrett's game plan was horrendous. Seriously. 17 screens/swing passes? As Bob Sturm pointed out...the guy conceded to the Vikes D-Line before the game even started. The playcalling was hilariously bad. I've never in my life seen a pro team call that many screens and swings. It was embarassing. Yeah, there were no sacks...but there arent going to be many when you keep throwing screens. You just bait the o-line in and dump it off, same with those swing passes...they're quick throws. Not bad ideas to off-set an over eager defense and bad O-line...but you know, it's not going to continue to work when you call these plays a hundred times over. Garrett was over protective of the O-line. Sure, we more than likely would have given up some sacks and Free was getting push back fairly far on real drop backs, but we should have taken some real shots, against a banged up secondary. This type of timid playcalling wasnt exactly helping us, either. We dont even have a real offensive identity with Garrett. But in his defense, at least, and I rarely defend the guy. The offensive line largely hinders what he can do sometimes.
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                            • Originally posted by Boss+Manning=Banning View Post
                              It's not just you guys. Our OL blocking has declined as well. There is a huge reason why Jacobs lost his spot. He needs perfect pristine blocking to get his 5 yards a carry. If not, then he is ineffective. The key is have an RB who can make stuff happen where there are no holes. That's what we are basically doing now. We are at the point where we run a play, and say Bradshaw make something happen, even if the play is dead.

                              That's what you need your RBs or one of them to do, especially if there is no run blocking. Just make something happen out of nothing.
                              There is a difference between your run blocking and our run blocking. Even a scrub like Jacobs is averaging 4.6 per. Our backs are having problems even getting out of the backfield. Kosier is always hurt, Gurode has regressed, and Davis is done. There is only so much one can do. We all have seen what Felix can do with huge holes and smaller holes, a like. But the guy was getting gang tackled as soon as he started running. On running plays yesterday, he wasn't even getting an opportunity to make people miss. So I dont know what people expect him to do. Juke out 3 oncoming defenders 1 yard pass the line of scrimmage? The Vikes clogged everything up yesterday.

                              Look no further than the Titans game to see what Felix can do with a little running room. You just cant expect huge games every week...especially with the o-line we're sporting. I just think it's funny that people keep yelling for the big play...when we cant even do the simple things to get him in space that we did last year. Dallas cannot even pull their guards correctly anymore.
                              Last edited by M.O.T.H.; 10-18-2010, 04:26 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
                                The Vikes D-Line completely destroyed our offensive line. I honestly dont know what you'd want Felix or Barber to do here. Choice wouldnt have done any better, AD wouldnt have done any better. They have one of the best D-Lines in the league, and we have a ****** offensive line, with three banged up interior lineman. It was a no win situation on the ground. And for the RBs, it was like running into a brick wall. It was a rare moment when our RBs got to the second level. Once again, our line was being killed at the point of attack. If you cant see that, you need glasses good sir. We have plenty of talent at RB, but without consistent run blocking, they're not going to do ****. I dont care who the back is. The line needs to be blown up.

                                And Roy is untradeable, due to that contract. He's playing well, but no one would take him at that price. It's a rare trade that you'd find any real help at O-Line or S at the deadline anyway.
                                I don't know if Roy is definitely untradeable. I don't know how the NFL works, but can Jerry agree to pay partial of his guaranteed money? Also, how is the money spread out? I'm assuming, the longer he's with us, the more that money is paid out to him. So that means, if we trade him later in the season then the team trading for him wouldn't have to pay him as much? The amount could be much more palatable, if that's the case. Make sense?

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