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  • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
    What? Kurt Warner for Manning?

    Warner's only year with the Giants, was also Eli's first year. He was a stop-gap, and it didnt work out. And Warner wasnt even the starter for the Rams, his previous year in St. Louis. They moved on to Bulger. Warner's career took a turn for the worse, right before he even got to the Giants. A lot of people thought he was done. That situation is in no way the same.

    As for Brees/Rivers. Brees was hardly the pro bowl talent he is today when they drafted Rivers. His breakout year came the season they selected him. No one really expected Brees to break out like he did, while Rivers sat on the bench for a year.

    Ugh. You're living in a fantasy world if you think we're trading any of those guys.

    Also, Warner stunk for us! He kept holding onto the ball when he played and kept getting sacked. He was terrible, and gun shy. I remember false starts penalties on him!!! The damn QB! He was pull away from center, without the ball, because he was afraid for some reason.

    I think the concussions affected him, and he expected the Air C. system where Bruce and Holt would do their thing.

    10 games he started and sacked 39 times, with his last against Arizona, where he got sacked 6 times! That's when Coughlin had to pull him, and go with Eli.

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    • Originally posted by baghdadbob View Post
      Bro, I live in the East and the Manning choice was all about the future for the GMen. Feeling was he was Peyton II and the GMen were not going to pass on that possibility. So they took a risk with the trade as well as moving Warner. To boot, it has had a real cost and looked bad for awhile as River played and other picks the GMen gave up turned in Merrimen, Kaeding and some others.

      It was a gutsy move by the GMen that even today folks would say SD got the best of it.

      But, let us not argue tactics, talk big ideas, strategy. Prsonnel strategy, not specific personnel.

      Do you agree we have 4-5 big holes that in order to compete next year we need to trade depth (Witten, WR, RB, et al) for some young front line help?

      FA ain't working cuz the GM has no cash. Draft takes time for OL, ILB, S, etc......

      Your thoughts?


      Well there was more to it than that..

      They wanted Rivers, # 1 and Osi if I recall. They thought he would be a DeMarcus Ware type player as a OLB. However, Ernie thought that was a deal breaker. So he didn't want to trade Osi due to his potential.

      Now in hindsight we won that trade.. They got Rivers, who they wanted and is a great player, but everything else was a flop.

      Merriman is gone, Kaeading chokes in the playoffs..

      We kept Osi, got our QB, and because we didn't have a first round pick we signed Plax, Ap, and Kareem M. all who played a big part for our team.

      That draft the following year, we hit a homerun..

      me College Note
      2 Corey Webster Louisiana State
      3 Justin Tuck Notre Dame
      4 Brandon Jacobs Southern Illinois
      6 Eric Moore Florida State


      That's one one of the reasons why we won the superbowl. That 2004 year we got Eli, Snee and then Gilbril Wilson.

      So we really built a great team.

      I think now when you look back we made a great trade and then built off of that a foundation that led to the superbowl.

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      • Originally posted by Rosebud
        Just wondering why so many of you think that you'd have to trade Romo this year if drafted Luck? Why not hold onto Romo for a year or two to cover For Luck while you plug some holes and then trade Romo after he's gotten a chance to re-establish his trade value with a healthy year and Luck has gotten to show the coaching staff how good he could be.
        Any way you approach the situation of trading Romo is going to feel dirty given the excitement that he basically single handedly has given us. Along with pulling us out of the hole that had been 6-10.

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        • From Barry Switzer:

          "Backs don't ricochet up into those dark holes like they did when they had a chance to get into the playoffs," he said. "When they aren't going to the playoffs, they get out of bounds sooner. They get down quicker. The receivers come across the middle and they might not stretch and lay out for a ball. They would have given it all up to make a play to get in the playoffs.

          "I know that from watching film when I was with the Cowboys. It's no different now. … There are a few players that have the pride to do it every snap. But a lot of guys protect themselves. It's human nature."
          Barry Switzer is a troglodyte FB coach imo whom I still detest, his assessment here is correct though, certain players give up & are looking to preserve their careers & maybe looking for greener pastures (on another team) next season, that's what I & so many of us sadly saw vs. Minnesota last Mon. night.

          Isn't basic human nature what coaching & preparation & professionalism supposed to overcome?

          Playoffs or no playoffs should NOT be a factor in determining if a pro lays down or not. Aren't pro players supposed to have pride in their performances even when their team is losing? Developing that falls under the HC's job description.

          The new HC should have restoring player accountability & professionalism at the top of his To Do list
          Last edited by LizardState; 11-14-2010, 10:10 AM.

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          • anyone else watching the Pam Oliver interview with Jones?

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            • *raises hand*

              Nothing new there....


              I really like Garrett though, and think he's going to go on to make a great coach...just Jerruh's gonna go for the splashy rehash:(

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              • Originally posted by FreshBoy! View Post
                *raises hand*

                Nothing new there....


                I really like Garrett though, and think he's going to go on to make a great coach...just Jerruh's gonna go for the splashy rehash:(
                He is very annoying to watch when he interviews. He needs to give up GM duties. If he says the buck stops with him, then do something about it. You can tell though this season is taking its toll on him. I love how Pam Oliver basically said people all over are laughing at you and the cowboys. I thought she asked the right questions in the interview.

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                • Originally posted by Boss+Manning=Banning View Post
                  He is very annoying to watch when he interviews. He needs to give up GM duties. If he says the buck stops with him, then do something about it. You can tell though this season is taking its toll on him. I love how Pam Oliver basically said people all over are laughing at you and the cowboys. I thought she asked the right questions in the interview.
                  I always hear people say that he needs to give up GM duties. Why is that exactly?

                  I like how Jerry said sometimes people learn from their failures. Jerry has made a lot of mistakes. There's no denying that. However, he also has his fair share of successes as well. I do think he doesn't repeat the same mistake twice very often. He's got a really great memory, and you can tell he remembers a lot whenever he is interviewed.

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                  • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                    I always hear people say that he needs to give up GM duties. Why is that exactly?

                    I like how Jerry said sometimes people learn from their failures. Jerry has made a lot of mistakes. There's no denying that. However, he also has his fair share of successes as well. I do think he doesn't repeat the same mistake twice very often. He's got a really great memory, and you can tell he remembers a lot whenever he is interviewed.
                    Do you really believe this or are you being provocative?

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                    • Originally posted by FreshBoy! View Post
                      *raises hand*

                      Nothing new there....


                      I really like Garrett though, and think he's going to go on to make a great coach...just Jerruh's gonna go for the splashy rehash:(
                      Well if you are right and JG makes a good HC then Jerry undoing this and making a huge splash is awful.

                      Cowboys need a good coaching staff that teaches and promotes within, one that holds players accountable by **** canning their buts when they suck, not a personality who is going to suck the oxygen out of the room and then have a Jerry-BPJJ tug of war over credit.

                      Jones can't stand competition for luv. Better we get a first timer who knows what he is doing and let Jones be the ego maniac he is.

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                      • Originally posted by baghdadbob View Post
                        Do you really believe this or are you being provocative?
                        That's how I feel. Feel free to enlighten me.

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                        • I don't really care do talk about that stuff and have bob go nuts over "Jerrah."

                          Who do you think makes the pro-bowl for us? Ware and Witten?

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                          • There is no way you can consider Jerry a good GM. The sooner he steps down the better.

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                            • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                              That's how I feel. Feel free to enlighten me.
                              Results speak for themselves. I have nothing more meaningful to say.

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                              • Originally posted by romo4prez415 View Post
                                There is no way you can consider Jerry a good GM.
                                Apparently not.

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