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  • Originally posted by TheFinisher View Post
    They also have much more experience than Garrett. JG has done nothing to gain my support or trust as a successful HC candidate.

    I would love Rob Ryan here.
    Experience doesnt equal success...I'm not in the Garrett camp at all. But he's better than Herm or Gilbride. I'd rather bring in a whole new crew still.

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    • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
      Experience doesnt equal success...I'm not in the Garrett camp at all. But he's better than Herm or Gilbride. I'd rather bring in a whole new crew still.
      I agree Herm and Gilbride would be worst case scenarios, but I don't see Garrett as being any better. We need a strong HC who will come in and establish himself as the boss even with Jerry breathing down his neck, Garrett doesn't seem like that guy to me.

      there are enough candidates out there that would be much better options.
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      2. Vernon Butler | DT | LA Tech
      3. Karl Joseph | SS | WVU

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      • Originally posted by TheFinisher View Post
        They also have much more experience than Garrett. JG has done nothing to gain my support or trust as a successful HC candidate.

        I would love Rob Ryan here.
        So experience and winning previously is all that matters huh? You would have missed out on John Harbaugh, Rex Ryan, Mike Smith, Sparano, and tons of other great Head Coaches. How can you keep bringing up how Garrett has no experience but you want Rob Ryan?


        I'm not even trying to make an argument for Garrett here, just saying I don't understand how you can be so firmly against him without giving him a shot to see how he closes out the season.



        Another question. If all those coaches are so great then why were nearly all of them fired or out of work right now? I have no problem taking a risk on an up and coming head coach but this is Garrett's time to prove himself, as much as I hated on the job he did as OC before he's a Head Coach now.


        Things like discipline, cutting down on penalties, sharpness, being mentally prepared week in and out, THOSE are HC responsibilities. Things he had no power or control of before, and things that you need to see if he possesses before blasting him.





        Originally posted by Scott Wright
        I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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        • Even though we lost to NOR, I thought Garrett locked up his job after that game. It wasn't his fault Roy is a careless wreak.

          You all know I've bashed and hated on Garrett with the best of them in his time here. As an OC, he is trashy. However, as a HC... he's shown me some real positives. I like the changes that he's made to make the players more accountable, responsible and team oriented.

          I just want him to give up the offensive playcalling. If he can't do that then I don't want him. But if he can get someone more experienced in, then I'm all for him keeping his job. Heck, I'll even take his brother who isn't more experienced. Just want someone with a different approach/mindset/feel for the game calling the plays.

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          • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
            Even though we lost to NOR, I thought Garrett locked up his job after that game. It wasn't his fault Roy is a careless wreak.

            You all know I've bashed and hated on Garrett with the best of them in his time here. As an OC, he is trashy. However, as a HC... he's shown me some real positives. I like the changes that he's made to make the players more accountable, responsible and team oriented.

            I just want him to give up the offensive playcalling. If he can't do that then I don't want him. But if he can get someone more experienced in, then I'm all for him keeping his job. Heck, I'll even take his brother who isn't more experienced. Just want someone with a different approach/mindset/feel for the game calling the plays.
            I agree with D. The team is playing way better under Jason. Moreover, I like a coach that stays around for a long time, Garrett is young and he can be our HC for like 15-20 years. With all the big names you're looking for someone that is going to leave after like 3-4 years and then you start over again. Look at Pittsburgh, they're good because they're consistent, so are the Patriots and so are (or at least are becoming the Saints). Sean Payton wasn't the most appreciated guy when he was here, now he's a terrific HC and so is Mike Tomlin.
            With Garrett you're not rebulding, you're looking at a new start from what you already have, you're looking to build something using the positive things that you got and that Jason knows. Don't fool ourselves, under Wade we were good. We won the division 2 out of 3 years, won our first playoff game in 10 years, got a first week by and lost at the last moment against a red hot team that went on to win the SB.
            I know that people say that Wade was awful, he was a puppet and blah blah blah, fact is, we won a lot of games under him, and that means we were good. We destroyed the Eagles last year.
            With a new coach you're starting from scratch. What if we get Jeff Fisher and Romo gets into his doghouse? We know that you're in Fisher's doghouse for good.
            And what if we get a HC that, just like McDaniels, can't get together with Romo and Austin and force Jerry to trade them? I don't wanna become the Denver Broncos.
            Or what if the new HC wants to get rid of all the assistant coaches? We have some good ones over there, players know them, players know how to work with them.

            Truth is - even though people tend to think the other way - past success doesn't translate automatically in future success.
            How many years did Bill Cowher need to win one SB? Do you think that the Dallas fanbase has that much patience? I don't.

            I do like Garrett and I think he deserves a chance. I still wanna see how the season finishes but we beat NY in their house and we went one fumble short from beating NO. Furthermore, we were down 17 points with Kitna at QB and not only we did not quit, we scored like 24 unanswered points.

            So my point is that Garrett gives us the best chance to preserve what we have while trying to get better. Do I think he needs to get a good OC? Yes I do (and maybe his brother can be a good one). Garrett can also be a long-term answer, while the guys who are now enjoying a career in the network cannot.


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            • What's the deal with Spencer? He's got 3 sacks on the year, that's just not getting it done, especially when you're playing across from one of the games top pass rushers. Could we be in the runnings for a guy like Robert Quinn if PP, Prince, Dareus are off the board? I haven't heard many peoples feelings on Spencer, but he only has something like 13 sacks in 4 years here. That stat screams bust to me.
              Cowboys Mock:
              1. Myles Jack | LB | UCLA
              2. Vernon Butler | DT | LA Tech
              3. Karl Joseph | SS | WVU

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              • Why would we look at his total stats in 4 years when he was behind Greg Ellis for what, 2 full seasons? He's having a down season like 90% of our football team, he's not the only one. Still Pass rusher, or OLB is not a need. Spencer is fine opposite Ware and we have two great part time pass rushers behind those guys in Victor Butler and Brandon Williams. Way too many other needs to take another pass rusher right now.


                Spencer will get a shot to bounce back like Jenkins and nearly every other young player who is having a down year. Spencer showed he wasn't a bust last year and he's always been great vs the run even his early seasons.





                Originally posted by Scott Wright
                I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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                • Originally posted by TheFinisher View Post
                  Billick,
                  Nah, not too keen on that.

                  Gruden,
                  I think he's overrated, but yes, he would be better based on his track record. I'm not so sure that's a certainty 5 years from now.

                  Cowher,
                  Yes, but again overrated and will command huge money and power. And I don't think his track record proves that he should be given significant power on personel. That was not his role in Pitt.

                  Harbaugh,
                  Stanford? I would not take him over Garrett. I think that's a real roll of the dice. and remember that the record of good college coaches coming to the NFL is not good.

                  Rob Ryan,
                  Interesting thought, but his resume is really not much better than Garrett's.

                  Herm Edwards,
                  Uh, No. You're kidding right?

                  Mike Zimmer,
                  See comment on Ryan above.

                  Dom Capers,
                  Maybe.

                  Todd Bowles,
                  He's under contract. And let's see his deal play out. I'm not convinced he's going to be good long term.

                  Kevin Gilbride, Russ Grimm,
                  Good Lord. I"m starting to think this is a joke.

                  Ron Rivera, John Fox...
                  Rivera is a maybe. Fox is a pretty decent coach.

                  Garrett is not qualified whatsoever for the job, he has done nothing to prove he deserves this position outside of the fact that his family has ties with the Jones'. Any of the guys I listed above would be better candidates for us.
                  Both of these statements are completely and utterly false. I would agree he's had some growing pains as a play caller, but you simply can not say he has done nothing. His offenses have been pretty darn good. And I went through the guys above and several of them clearly are not a BETTER choice.


                  I don't understand what anyone sees in Garrett. Yea, he went to Princeton, so what? He was an awful offensive coordinator here and that is fact, I think it is more wishful thinking than anything else for any of us to believe in him as a successful HC.
                  It is not a fact that he has been awful. You are not looking at this in an objective manner.


                  Why would you not want to go ahead and grab a guy who has had success in the NFL? Are you ready to hand the keys over to Garrett and trust he can get us back to prominence when he has done nothing to prove so?
                  That's what the last 8 games are for; to prove if he can lead. I find it hard to believe that you have not been at least a little impressed that he has had a positive impact on this thing, at least a little.
                  In war, you win or lose, live or die - and the difference is just an eyelash.


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                  • Originally posted by TheFinisher View Post
                    What's the deal with Spencer? He's got 3 sacks on the year, that's just not getting it done, especially when you're playing across from one of the games top pass rushers. Could we be in the runnings for a guy like Robert Quinn if PP, Prince, Dareus are off the board? I haven't heard many peoples feelings on Spencer, but he only has something like 13 sacks in 4 years here. That stat screams bust to me.
                    You all know I haven't ever been on the Spencer bandwagon. Been calling for Butler to take his spot all year. Good things happen when Butler gets on the field. Spencer is just invisible.

                    But no. Not another OLB in Round 1. No. Just, no.

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                    • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                      You all know I haven't ever been on the Spencer bandwagon. Been calling for Butler to take his spot all year. Good things happen when Butler gets on the field. Spencer is just invisible.

                      But no. Not another OLB in Round 1. No. Just, no.
                      Second the motion.

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                      • I'm trying to look at Garrett with some objectivity instead of getting too emotional about the guy in either a positive or negative extreme. On one hand I think he's done about as good of a job as someone can so far. The team's play literally night and day since he has taken over, and he really stresses to guys to be accountable while giving their all. That's what this team has been lacking for a while now.

                        On the other hand, how much of this is the team in desperation mode? How much of it is their backs being against the wall and the players playing harder to save their job? We all had high expectation for the team, and even though some holes were horrifyingly illustrated this year there was still guys with talent that we thought underachieved like Ware, Ratliff, Jenkins, etc. Are they trying to save face right now, or is Garrett really the difference maker. I think that it's a little bit of both.
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                        • Is it just me or does it not seem like this team has been committing far less penalties than it used to under Wade? Anyone know the stat on that? I'm thinking Garrett has this team under good wraps in that department.

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                          • Originally posted by E-Man View Post
                            On the other hand, how much of this is the team in desperation mode? How much of it is their backs being against the wall and the players playing harder to save their job? We all had high expectation for the team, and even though some holes were horrifyingly illustrated this year there was still guys with talent that we thought underachieved like Ware, Ratliff, Jenkins, etc. Are they trying to save face right now, or is Garrett really the difference maker. I think that it's a little bit of both.
                            Where was this team vs Green Bay? These players didn't have any accountability or fight left. It's not a "worry about your job because Wade was fired" thing because everyone knew he was gone, it was pure and simple the players had quit. I don't think it's a coincidence we started playing better after Wade was fired because players want to save their job. We all know Jenkins will quit on plays any given time, he knows he isn't losing his job though.


                            I don't think you can credit the way this team has been playing to anyone but Garrett. If our players had any ounce of pride for what they do the Green Bay game wouldn't have looked the way it did. Do you think we would have played this well with Wade still as the Head Coach?





                            Originally posted by Scott Wright
                            I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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                            • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                              Is it just me or does it not seem like this team has been committing far less penalties than it used to under Wade? Anyone know the stat on that? I'm thinking Garrett has this team under good wraps in that department.
                              I need to see the numbers but from the naked eye watching games it's been cut down drastically. 1 thing I was really looking for from him to do, and 1 thing I was always really critical of Wade for even when he was winning.





                              Originally posted by Scott Wright
                              I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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                              • The first thing I noticed when Garrett took over was the lack of penalties. It was literally like night or day, the team was always good for at least 2-3 Boneheaded, game changing penalties every single game. The penalties we're now seeing aren't those. It's strange, and maybe it's Kitna and not Garrett, but the offense is actually driving down the field and isn't getting those driving crushing penalties. I'm no longer hoping for a quick strike because I think one of our linemen or wr's is going to get us into a 3rd and 12 situation.

                                It's pretty remarkable how much the change has been night and day, anyone that isn't attributing that to Garrett is blind. Again, I've said over and over how much I think Garrett would be a good thing for this team, so I know I come off homer'ish. I just don't understand how someone would take Brian Billick or Mike Freaking Zimmer over Jason Garrett. JG's playcalling is suspect at times, but the Cowboys have had one of the top offenses since he's been at the helm. Period.

                                Garrett as HC in 2011 = unlimited bubble screens, halfback passes, etc, the Dallas offense would become the gadget play gimmicky Boise St. of the NFL. As well as no OL housecleaning, limited use of Choice, limited throws to Witten & too many to Dez, retaining Roy Williams & the same Good Old Boys club kept around who put the team in the crapper this season.
                                The fact that you can even type this up is proof that you're completely dead set on not giving him a chance. No OL housecleaning? Unlimited bubble screens? You don't think one has anything to do with the other? Do you watch the same games everyone else does. The Bubble screens and 3 step drops are a result of the bad o-line, and great tackle breaking RB's(felix) and Wr's(Dez & Austin). That's the very essence of a coach knowing his teams strengths and weaknesses and playing to them.
                                Limited throws to Witten?.....Witten's been more of a factor since Garrett has taken over than before, and if he's not being targeted he's being held into help our struggling o-line. You're not a fan of Garrett, and you're contradicting yourself to make a point against him.

                                He's done a great job thus far, and still has much to learn...It's not going to be an overnight flawless change, but let's give him a fair and objective chance instead of just wishing/hoping for another change.
                                Last edited by FreshBoy!; 12-01-2010, 02:59 PM.

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