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  • Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
    Ask the Lions if winning these games are important or not. I never believed in the whole "if you don't make the playoffs try for the #1 pick". You can't say you want to be competitive until late then lose. You can't just continue to lose these games and expect the team to learn how to win.


    You have to want to win these games but while these are grown men, they need to learn HOW to win still. Close games, when you were up big and they came back to tie it, when you were down and came back to tie it, 2 min drills, that stuff sticks with the team and carries over.


    Same with Detroit, they are finally learning how to actually "win" games now. Close games. Not just games they played good and lost at the end. Do you think it would help them more if they just went 1-15 for 6 seasons in a row and just expect them to jump to a playoff team who knows how to win tight games?


    I want us to come into next season feeling like with Romo we have the confidence to go out and win any game since we did with Kitna. Plus, the draft has so many great players in it now. If you missed McFadden you can get Chris Johnson. If you miss Leodis McKelvin you get Brandon Flowers.


    You just need to scout properly, I don't 100% trust ours but I do know that we can get an elite, all pro type of player in the top 20 no matter who we miss out on. 5 more picks won't replace what winning does for a team in the long run, and also me enjoying my Sundays :)
    They need to learn how to win??? That is so full of BS right there. Everyone knows what needs to happen in order to win. The ability is not there. Not the desire or knowhow. How many times in history do we have to look back at teams who have bounced back from bad seasons to know that quick turn arounds are possible. Noting the Lions as the prime example is a joke and I'm sure you know it.

    Whether we win 3 games or 6 games, there is NO DAMN DIFFERENCE in feeling closer to being winners. ...and that feeling is full of BS anyways.

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    • Originally posted by FreshBoy! View Post
      Let's hope he can restructure and wants to stay. Seeing the jump ball to sam hurd was laughable at best. Just Roy's body type is worthy of defensive schemes in the NFL. Roy gets released, and you're left with Dez and Ogletree if Austin gets hurt, or Austin and Ogletree if Dez gets hurt again. Does that scare anyone in the league? Especially with Austin being shut down when schemed against.
      Put me in the boat that says let's restructure him and act like we want him to stay... then when he signs his new deal, we trade his ass. Teams will want him once he gets paid less.

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      • Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
        Yea, I'm pretty tough on Roy but if he got paid closer to what he's good for I'd love him as a player. Thing is with Roy though, is he still always thinks he's the best WR on the team, he wants the ball alot, wants to be the go to guy etc. He's never said he's ok with being a role player and when you listen to him talk you know he isn't.


        Dez is gonna break out next year and Austin will be better with Romo, throw in Witten and us running the ball more he only gets a few shots a game or a chance when an injury happens. He's gonna get pissed off with that.
        Well...yea that's when the coach says ...."So What?"....

        Obviously this is all contingent on him restructuring...so something tells me he's not willing to take a pay cut...and still expect to be treated like a #1. Won't happen. Roy restructures it'll be because he knows he's not getting more than 3-5 looks a game barring injury.

        I'd be happy with that.


        And I'm sorry D-Unit...I don't see how you can buy into the notion of losing. That's exactly what it is. There needs to be changes across the board, and it's been a disappointing season. Let's hope that's all it takes for Jerry to get the message. The difference between a 8th pick and a 4th pick alone isn't going to change the landscape of this team next year. The entire process(as Garrett would say), has to change. From top to bottom. There's still great players in the 6-15 range that can be had that can make an instant impact. You can't seriously sit up here and preach the significance of losing out, then look at teams like the Colts/Pats/Ravens/Steelers/etc that are contenders year after year while drafting in the mid to late 20's. The difference is those teams scout well, and expect greatness from those young players, year after year.....

        Have you seen the Pats young defense, and the difference from the first 8 games to now? Going into the year(and still slightly now...it's the homer in me), if you put the Pats Defensive roster against the Boys defensive roster, and told me to pick one, I'd hands down pick the Cowboys.

        It comes down to coaching, scouting, and having knowledgeable people in the front office. 2 of 3 of those will be decided on this offseason. We just have to hope Garrett can fix this thing.
        Last edited by FreshBoy!; 12-20-2010, 02:41 PM.

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        • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
          They need to learn how to win??? That is so full of BS right there. Everyone knows what needs to happen in order to win. The ability is not there. Not the desire or knowhow. How many times in history do we have to look back at teams who have bounced back from bad seasons to know that quick turn arounds are possible. Noting the Lions as the prime example is a joke and I'm sure you know it.

          Whether we win 3 games or 6 games, there is NO DAMN DIFFERENCE in feeling closer to being winners. ...and that feeling is full of BS anyways.
          I think the main point I see for not tanking it is, we're not 1 player away from anything. We need some help in a lot of areas, alot of which we can get through free agency. It's not as if we get Petersen and all of a sudden we're golden, this isn't the NBA where one guy can turn it around. In addition, picking 12th doesn't preclude us from getting a great player if we do our homework and if we get lucky. Look at 2005, getting Ware at 11.

          Also, this isn't a lame duck coaching situation, we needed to evaluate Garrett, and we have. I guess the best situation for you would have been to keep Wade through the end of the year, fire everyone at the end of the season, and have the #1 pick. I just don't agree that it's the best scenario.

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          • Originally posted by Boss+Manning=Banning View Post
            I am not sure about Shanny but I am not thrilled with the idea of father son being on the same staff. Where does the line between HC-OC and father-son begin and end? I don't like that type of dynamic.
            Sadly, that's how things work in Italy.


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            • Originally posted by dsc1600 View Post
              I think the main point I see for not tanking it is, we're not 1 player away from anything. We need some help in a lot of areas, alot of which we can get through free agency. It's not as if we get Petersen and all of a sudden we're golden, this isn't the NBA where one guy can turn it around. In addition, picking 12th doesn't preclude us from getting a great player if we do our homework and if we get lucky. Look at 2005, getting Ware at 11.

              Also, this isn't a lame duck coaching situation, we needed to evaluate Garrett, and we have. I guess the best situation for you would have been to keep Wade through the end of the year, fire everyone at the end of the season, and have the #1 pick. I just don't agree that it's the best scenario.
              Well, if you assume most of our needs will be addressed in FA, then I can understand where your thinking is coming from, although I disagree on it completely. We haven't been active shoppers in FA for years because we've been busy locking up our own guys... which will continue to be an issue this year with Free looking for a new deal.

              I agree on the coaching situation though. Garrett needed to be evaluated and he's earned it. However, that said... being competitive till the end regardless of wins or loses would've kept Garret here. Also, he sealed the deal in getting the job when he beat Indy. None of this matters anymore. He's already got it. So yeah, I'm pissed about winning yesterday.

              Also, it's not about just picking up 1 player high in Round 1. It's about picking high in every round.

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              • You realize the Colts & Pats are consistently picking in the bottom 10 every single year right? I don't understand why you're taking this we need to pick top 7 stance?

                There need to be changes from the top down. The FO needs to stop coddling players and make tough decisions that benefit the organization. That's all it comes down to man. As much as I hate it, trading Witten would net a high pick or two. Decisions like that are what good football teams do that want to compete year after year.

                The front office(See. Jerry) just need to make better football decisions. It's that simple. You're basically making it seem as if unless you draft in the top 5 every round you can't field a competitive team. That's just not true.

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                • Originally posted by FreshBoy! View Post
                  You realize the Colts & Pats are consistently picking in the bottom 10 every single year right? I don't understand why you're taking this we need to pick top 7 stance?

                  There need to be changes from the top down. The FO needs to stop coddling players and make tough decisions that benefit the organization. That's all it comes down to man. As much as I hate it, trading Witten would net a high pick or two. Decisions like that are what good football teams do that want to compete year after year.

                  The front office(See. Jerry) just need to make better football decisions. It's that simple. You're basically making it seem as if unless you draft in the top 5 every round you can't field a competitive team. That's just not true.
                  Trading Witten would be terrible, he is Romo's most reliable receiver. Trust like that doesn't develop overnight. He's a cornerstone for our team, you don't trade away guys like that.
                  Cowboys Mock:
                  1. Myles Jack | LB | UCLA
                  2. Vernon Butler | DT | LA Tech
                  3. Karl Joseph | SS | WVU

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                  • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                    They need to learn how to win??? That is so full of BS right there. Everyone knows what needs to happen in order to win. The ability is not there. Not the desire or knowhow. How many times in history do we have to look back at teams who have bounced back from bad seasons to know that quick turn arounds are possible. Noting the Lions as the prime example is a joke and I'm sure you know it.

                    Whether we win 3 games or 6 games, there is NO DAMN DIFFERENCE in feeling closer to being winners. ...and that feeling is full of BS anyways.
                    I agree with this x10, we are not the Lions. We have experienced some pretty damn good success with this current core of players. These guys know how to win, they've done it. We need to fix our weak links on the OLine and in the defense, it's that simple.

                    You think guys like Ratliff, Witten and Ware really care about these meaningless W's we're getting?
                    Cowboys Mock:
                    1. Myles Jack | LB | UCLA
                    2. Vernon Butler | DT | LA Tech
                    3. Karl Joseph | SS | WVU

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                    • Originally posted by TheFinisher View Post
                      Trading Witten would be terrible, he is Romo's most reliable receiver. Trust like that doesn't develop overnight. He's a cornerstone for our team, you don't trade away guys like that.
                      That was just an example....I'm just saying the better franchises trade players a year too early, start the young players, and scout/draft well. We haven't done any of the mentioned things well lately.

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                      • Originally posted by TheFinisher View Post
                        I agree with this x10, we are not the Lions. We have experienced some pretty damn good success with this current core of players. These guys know how to win, they've done it. We need to fix our weak links on the OLine and in the defense, it's that simple.

                        You think guys like Ratliff, Witten and Ware really care about these meaningless W's we're getting?
                        Ratliff, Witten and Ware, with 1 playoff win in their career, are not like the Pats or Colts players, they haven't won anything. Ratliff and Witten played like crap during the first 8 games, and until recently, Witten's run after the catch resembled someone running with high heels on. This team after 8 games was worse than the Lions, they had given up. So this 8 game stretch does mean something, if only to evaluate Garrett and show what physical practices can do for this success of this team.

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                        • Originally posted by FreshBoy! View Post
                          That was just an example....I'm just saying the better franchises trade players a year too early, start the young players, and scout/draft well. We haven't done any of the mentioned things well lately.
                          Bingo! Completely agree. I myself would trade Witten if I could get a deal like Gonzo was traded for. A 2nd and 3rd for Witten means bye bye Witten for me. I could use the picks on other players and let Martellus Bennett and John Phillips and a middle round pick.

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                          • Originally posted by dsc1600 View Post
                            Ratliff, Witten and Ware, with 1 playoff win in their career, are not like the Pats or Colts players, they haven't won anything. Ratliff and Witten played like crap during the first 8 games, and until recently, Witten's run after the catch resembled someone running with high heels on. This team after 8 games was worse than the Lions, they had given up. So this 8 game stretch does mean something, if only to evaluate Garrett and show what physical practices can do for this success of this team.
                            Completely agree.

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                            • Trading Witten is blasphemy. What he does for this team means way more than just on the field production. Stop. A 2nd round o-lineman and a 3rd round safety don't deserve to put witten's jock strap in the washing machine.

                              Stop.

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                              • Who/What are you responding to? I said it was an example...Could've easily been any other player worthy of trading on the Cowboys roster...Example still applies.

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