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  • Originally posted by thule
    Personally I feel we have to keep the Colts under 25 pts...otherwise we lose this game.
    We're averaging 27.7 a game. I think we should be able to score somewhere around that mark against their subpar defense.

    One more note, although I like Julius as the starter, I think Barber should get a few more carries in this game so he can punish some of those smaller, fast players.

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    • Originally posted by Jdallas
      Originally posted by thule
      Personally I feel we have to keep the Colts under 25 pts...otherwise we lose this game.
      We're averaging 27.7 a game. I think we should be able to score somewhere around that mark against their subpar defense.

      One more note, although I like Julius as the starter, I think Barber should get a few more carries in this game so he can punish some of those smaller, fast players.
      Agreed. Barber should be the featured back this Sunday so he can punish the soft underbelly of that D.

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      • Jdallas....Although i do understand everything you said about Henry, i still feel like even if wayne gets behind him 2 or 3 times, that could easily turn into 2 or 3 touchdowns with the poor fs play.

        we've dragged this debate out too long though, both of us have come up with very possible scenario's, now we just have to sit back and watch.

        I hope you guys prove me wrong on this one. I really want this colts game more than any game this season just so the team can prove they are just as good as anyone. I think if we win this game, we carry that confidence through the rest of the year and take the division with prob the 2nd best record in the nfc behind da bears.

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        • If you think this debate has gone on too long you should have read 50 pages of D-Unit and kwhy arguing about DeMarcus Ware.

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          • Ran across a interesting article on Romo and the draft. I don't know if I buy it seems farfetched but nevertheless....

            Sholl also told a story that he said no one knows about draft day, when Romo was ignored. Sholl said Romo dropped his cell phone after the first day of the draft. Sholl thought it was possibly broken, but Romo checked the phone and pronounced it fine.

            It turns out it was good for outgoing calls but not incoming.

            "So he found out he had 29 messages from NFL teams," Sholl said. "Maybe he would have been drafted."

            Romo, from Burlington, Wis., signed with Dallas as a free agent in 2003. He chose Dallas in part because his grandparents live there.

            Sholl also mentioned something else of interest to many stateline fans:

            "The Packers have tried to trade for Romo," he said.

            Doesn't look like he's available any more.
            http://www.rrstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...=2006111140029

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            • Originally posted by thule
              Ran across a interesting article on Romo and the draft. I don't know if I buy it seems farfetched but nevertheless....

              Sholl also told a story that he said no one knows about draft day, when Romo was ignored. Sholl said Romo dropped his cell phone after the first day of the draft. Sholl thought it was possibly broken, but Romo checked the phone and pronounced it fine.

              It turns out it was good for outgoing calls but not incoming.

              "So he found out he had 29 messages from NFL teams," Sholl said. "Maybe he would have been drafted."

              Romo, from Burlington, Wis., signed with Dallas as a free agent in 2003. He chose Dallas in part because his grandparents live there.

              Sholl also mentioned something else of interest to many stateline fans:

              "The Packers have tried to trade for Romo," he said.

              Doesn't look like he's available any more.
              http://www.rrstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...=2006111140029
              I think this new found evidence, coupled with the fact that the Packer's HC publicly said he'd want Favre to play another 2 years shows that they have very little faith in Aaron Rodgers. They should trade him to a desperate team.

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              • Originally posted by Jdallas
                So you think I don't know what I'm talking about? :shock:

                Just to explain myself a little more. I don't think that Newman could effectively shut down Harrison over an entire game, but I do think that he could get pretty close to shutting Wayne down. I also think that since Harrison is getting up there in years that Henry would be a better matchup because his physical play could help wear him down. I know that Henry's style of play will result in the WR getting away from time to time and that is why you have a safety over the top as often as possible. 20 yards instead of 60 would really help. That leaves Roy free to either support the run game or sit back in the deep zone depending on the situation in the game.

                If you think there are any flaws in something I said please explain them.
                My strategy would be to have Newman go man to man with Wayne the whole game to match speed with speed and have Henry on Harrison with safety help most of the time.

                I think that creates a favorable matchup from a skill set standpoint.
                That's what I was referring to. To suggest that Wayne is a "speed" based player is nothing short of flat out wrong. Newman is good enough to cover Harrisson man-to-man and keep him in check. Henry is also good enough to hold Wayne in check. If you must roll a safety over the top, do so on the weak side to give Henry help against Wayne. But the very dumbest thing we could do would be to move our speed/agility corner onto their size/strength reciever and move our size/strength corner onto their speed/agility reicever. I can't even see how that would enter into your brain.

                Again, we match up against these guys as good as any team in the NFL. Our trio of cover guys is perfect for this assignment, and to move peices around would be just plain dumb.

                It's no coincedence that Newman has not allowed a TD in 20+ games and counting. In that span, he has played against Randy Moss, Santana Moss, Steve Smith, Boldin + Fitzgerald (twice each), Rod Smith, Andre Johnson, Terrell Owens, Holt, Bruce, Darrell Jackson, Plaxico and Roy Williams. I'm pretty sure that he can contain Harrison to a reasonable extent. As for Henry, you have to take the good with the bad. He makes plays coming up and hitting people, batting down balls and creating a bit of chaos on the edges. He created that Int that Watkins had by getting his hand into Boldins target zone and not only breaking up the catch, but keeping it alive to create an Int. Those are the things he does. He makes recievers work for what they get. Can Wayne exploit that? Sure. Will he? We'll find out on Sunday.......but I like our chances.
                Originally posted by 21ST
                He was protecting his self
                Originally posted by tjsunstein
                From what? His leg?
                Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
                That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
                "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

                DeMarcus Ware

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                • Originally posted by thule
                  Ran across a interesting article on Romo and the draft. I don't know if I buy it seems farfetched but nevertheless....

                  Sholl also told a story that he said no one knows about draft day, when Romo was ignored. Sholl said Romo dropped his cell phone after the first day of the draft. Sholl thought it was possibly broken, but Romo checked the phone and pronounced it fine.

                  It turns out it was good for outgoing calls but not incoming.

                  "So he found out he had 29 messages from NFL teams," Sholl said. "Maybe he would have been drafted."

                  Romo, from Burlington, Wis., signed with Dallas as a free agent in 2003. He chose Dallas in part because his grandparents live there.

                  Sholl also mentioned something else of interest to many stateline fans:

                  "The Packers have tried to trade for Romo," he said.

                  Doesn't look like he's available any more.
                  http://www.rrstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...=2006111140029
                  That's pretty freaky.....but I can't imagine an NFL team not drafting someone just because they don't answer their phone. But it's definitely a head scratcher.

                  You do have to wonder about the Pack, though. They don't seem to be demonstrating an awful lot of faith in Rodgers. Is there something wrong with him? Or do they just not know how to handle a delicate situation?
                  Originally posted by 21ST
                  He was protecting his self
                  Originally posted by tjsunstein
                  From what? His leg?
                  Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
                  That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
                  "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

                  DeMarcus Ware

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                  • Well, I just did some research and coming out of college in 1996 Harrison ran a 4.37 and in 2001 Wayne ran a 4.45. Once you take into account Harrison is 5 years older the difference in their speed is probably very, very small. I worded what I wanted to say wrong. While Wayne isn't faster he is more of a threat to beat us deep because of the way the Colts use him. He doesn't average 3 ypc more than Harrison for no reason. I think Newman would do best covering the #2 guy who is more of a deep threat, while Henry with safety help over the top should be able to keep Harrison in check who hasn't done a whole lot downfield yet this season.

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                    • If I were a betting man I'd bet Newman will cover Harrison almost exclusively and Henry will cover Wayne almost exclusively as well. I think Newman matches up better with Harrison and Henry with Wayne as Harrison is faster and probably more of a deep threat and I think Wayne is a little bigger and more physical.

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                      • what it comes down to is that we need to run the ball a lot to keep the colt's O off the field

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                        • Terry Glenn practiced today and is listed as probable.

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                          • Should we claim this FB from Cin since we have at least 1 open spot?

                            http://www.bengals.com/team/player.asp?player_id=104

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                            • Originally posted by nrcirc
                              Should we claim this FB from Cin since we have at least 1 open spot?

                              http://www.bengals.com/team/player.asp?player_id=104
                              I'm not sure why we would. Hoyte has been playing well so far and is still learning. The FB isn't a key part in the offense so I don't know why you would want two of them. It doesn't make much sense, but I am interested in seeing who we pick up.

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                              • Originally posted by Jdallas
                                Well, I just did some research and coming out of college in 1996 Harrison ran a 4.37 and in 2001 Wayne ran a 4.45. Once you take into account Harrison is 5 years older the difference in their speed is probably very, very small. I worded what I wanted to say wrong. While Wayne isn't faster he is more of a threat to beat us deep because of the way the Colts use him. He doesn't average 3 ypc more than Harrison for no reason. I think Newman would do best covering the #2 guy who is more of a deep threat, while Henry with safety help over the top should be able to keep Harrison in check who hasn't done a whole lot downfield yet this season.
                                *sigh*

                                Listen, I don't know where you got your sources, or what link you found. Here's a quote from Kiper in the month leading up to the draft after watching the Miami pro-day workout:

                                Originally posted by Mel Kiper
                                WR Reggie Wayne -- Wayne did not run especially well, coming in at 4.56 and 4.60. He also didn't show incredible explosiveness with a 34½-inch vertical, but nobody expected him to approach Moss' speed numbers anyway. He caught the ball, as we did expect, exceptionally well. Wayne is just a fantastic wide receiver, not a speed merchant. His standing may have dropped to a late first-round or early second-round pick.
                                http://espn.go.com/melkiper/s/2001/0301/1119804.htm

                                It's confusing to me how you insist on painting Wayne as having anything close to even "good" speed. The best you can say about him is that he is average, but that he finds ways to compensate. There is no way he is going to run past Henry. But, again, speed is overrated in many instances. He has excellent moves, and he just knows how to get open. But there is no way to maintain that his speed is a concern, especially as it pertains to Anthony Henry covering him.

                                As for your assertion that they "use him", it's just off-base. Yes, they are inclined to use Wayne deep at times. But Harrison is, and always will be, the better deep threat. The reason for the lesser ypc this season is because the Colts often throw the ball to Harrison on short drag routes over the middle of just 2-4 yards, hoping that he can create something with his superior run-after-catch abilities. That's something that can bring your average down in a hurry. They don't do that with Wayne much, as he doesn't bring the same shiftiness to the table.

                                The most common patterns that Wayne runs are the deep ins/outs, the deep post, and medium crossing routes or digs. Sometimes they use him on double moves down the sidelines, but rarely do they ever just send him on a simple "Go" or 9 route straight down the field. This is reserved almost exclusively for Harrison.

                                Now, it's not like Wayne can't get open deep, but he doesn't use pure speed to do it. That is not even a consideration for us in approaching this game. Again, I will state that Henry is the perfect corner to match up on Reggie. If he gets burnt, it will not be because of a speed disadvantage.
                                Originally posted by 21ST
                                He was protecting his self
                                Originally posted by tjsunstein
                                From what? His leg?
                                Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
                                That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
                                "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

                                DeMarcus Ware

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