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  • Originally posted by thule
    Originally posted by BX
    I'm in favor of bringing in Darren Sharper to provide some veteran leadership and tutor Watkins. That's a fabulous idea.
    Well he isn't a FA...however he did issue his worries that he was benched in the last game of the year for no reason for them to play Greg Blue. He says he wants to stay in MN...but its virtually up to them on what to do. We might have the ammo to get him...with a guy like Crayton tho. Davis might intrigue them aswell. Obviously draft picks are the most logical...I think if they are sold on Blue then a 6th could do the trick. Probabally have to be a player and a pick.
    I think in terms of trade -- this idea for Sharper, The Kris Jenkins idea, Micahel Jenkins idea and S Rogers idea are all doable and yes they are in order of probability too.

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    • Originally posted by Modano
      Do you think that someone like Alama-Frncis could be avaible in the 4th-5th round? Like Anderson last year.. I like the idea of bringin an DE/OLB tweener to play 10-15 snaps a game lining up as a DE in the nickel..
      Alibaba Francis will not. Kiper is chatting him up. He is 6'6, 260 and "they say" he runs like the wind. Former hoops guy too and that is fashionable.

      He may be this years Ware.

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      • Originally posted by thule
        Originally posted by leroyisgod
        Originally posted by thule
        Originally posted by charles_haley_rules
        Originally posted by Modano
        Do you think that someone like Alama-Frncis could be avaible in the 4th-5th round? Like Anderson last year.. I like the idea of bringin an DE/OLB tweener to play 10-15 snaps a game lining up as a DE in the nickel..
        Carpenter was all over the place the last few games. He has game and will be on point next year. Ellis' return is up in the air. Burnette is great in the nickel. Ware is the stud. James plays the middle adequately. Adolye made some plays.

        There is no reason why we stil lcant bring in a beast linebacker like Adalius Thomas. He is used all over the field. Anybody see him line up in man coverage of Chad Johnson and mash him out of bounds? Or see him run step for step with slot recievers?

        Sometimes I think people suffer from a lack of imagination. Thomas on the slot reciever. Jam, jam, jam. This time, no jam,he blitzes off the edge, the same edge ware is on. Which one get's blocked? Especially with Ellis coming on the other side. Burnette rotates out and covers the slot with safety help. The MLB drops into a zone in the middle.

        Now look at the standard 3-4 set. Canty, Spears, Ferguson on the line. Ware, Ellis, James, Carpenter at LB. r shift the set and go heavy on the weak side with Ware on the line, Thomas at ROLD, James in the middle, Adolye, and Ellis.

        Thomas gives the 3-4 one more dimension and versatility. Passs ruch and coverage. Multiple personel sets for differing situations. Consider dropping Ware, Burnette, Thomas, and Carpenter into a flat zone across the field, about 7 yards off the line of scrimmage. Newman and Hnery in man, Roy and Watkins in zones sitting over the linebackers or covering deep.

        The possibilities are endless people!
        If we bring in a high priced FA...someone is gonna be seeing the door...whether its Ellis who is dirt cheap and contract is up after 2007 or Burnett who's contract should be coming up in 2007...it will be interesting to see.
        If we bring in another pass rusher, whether it's another LB or a DE, Ellis is expendable. He's getting older and coming off of a nasty injury.
        Why I do agree with you...Ellis is on a dirt cheap contract...so we really have no reason to cut him. Burnett has value especially when it comes down to a 4-3 team. If I had to guess what guy goes it would be Burnett...but I guess someone would have to show interest for that to happen.
        Even with the injury he is good for a few snaps per game. Say this Burnett has more trade value and we eventually will lose him if he don't play.

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          • Re: great action figure

            Originally posted by Canadian_draft_fan
            Posted on Ebay. You Cowboy fans should love it!!!
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            real funny guy :roll:

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            • How does this look for day one at the draft?

              1st - Amobi Okoye / 2nd - Josh Beekman / 3rd - Dallas Baker

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              • Originally posted by cowboysforever
                But based on what I read you would prefer we use FA for an OLB and use the second round for a FS. I prefer the oppositte.
                Originally posted by thule
                We need to get Roy playing the Rover in the Nickle...this would leave Burnett and Roy as so called lb's...Then leave Watkins/Piscitelli as the safeties....or if we sign our vet...Sharper/Watkins deep and the best part of this is...if Roy shows the ability to play the Rover Burnett become completely expendable..which leaves room to draft a pass rushing specialist.
                Really the only guy I want is Thomas...and we have about a 1:25 chance of landing him...I just tried to plan out ever concievable angle.

                Like you said Briggs is a good player but probabally undersized...and wouldn't really give us anything that we don't have.

                So in reality I would love to go after Sharper...but thats just as bold as predicting we are gonna sign Thomas.

                The only place I'm confident that will be addressed in FA is OG since it is deep....we really have noone to step in...and we can't find someone with leadership and experience in the draft...which is something out OL needs.

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                • Originally posted by bigmac076
                  How does this look for day one at the draft?

                  1st - Amobi Okoye / 2nd - Josh Beekman / 3rd - Dallas Baker

                  Based on a series of comments and assuming we get FA OG help -- I change my mock. But FA drives lots of this ........

                  Round 1: Michael Bush (RB) or Sidney Rice (WR) or Marshawn Lynch (WR) or Robert Meacham (WR) or D Jarrett (WR)
                  Round 2: Jarvis Moss or Woodley or Name Any Athletic Tweener
                  Round 3: If RB in 1 -- CB or FS. If WR in 1 -- RB, Booker (TB) -- this may seem odd but I think if we go WR in 1 it is b/c we took BPA so in three I go back to needs.
                  Round 4: A fat guy for OG for practice squad likely or Jordan Palmer (QB)
                  Round 5: Steve Breaston (WR/PR/KR) or Ryan Moore (WR)
                  Round 6: Justin Medlock (K)
                  Round 7: More fat guys for DT. One of these late fat NT will stick. Maybe Montavius comes around.

                  I think, however, we should look for some trades to get another 2 or 3 or both. Be nice to have a younger, more athletic picks at Guard and Tackle going into 2007/2008. Staley (LT) and Grubbs (OG) come to mind as 2nd and 3rd picks. Also maybe a FS like Pisc*&^%^$# Guy if he has the athletics. I have no problem trading Burneet, Davis, Jones, R. Williams to get this done either. Assuming guys I hate like TO and James are untradable.

                  Not sold on Louisville NT kid. Rutgers ran all over them and they are not that talented other than Rice and Leonard. But I have not clue -- one game.

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                  • Originally posted by thule
                    Originally posted by cowboysforever
                    But based on what I read you would prefer we use FA for an OLB and use the second round for a FS. I prefer the oppositte.
                    Originally posted by thule
                    We need to get Roy playing the Rover in the Nickle...this would leave Burnett and Roy as so called lb's...Then leave Watkins/Piscitelli as the safeties....or if we sign our vet...Sharper/Watkins deep and the best part of this is...if Roy shows the ability to play the Rover Burnett become completely expendable..which leaves room to draft a pass rushing specialist.
                    Really the only guy I want is Thomas...and we have about a 1:25 chance of landing him...I just tried to plan out ever concievable angle.

                    Like you said Briggs is a good player but probabally undersized...and wouldn't really give us anything that we don't have.

                    So in reality I would love to go after Sharper...but thats just as bold as predicting we are gonna sign Thomas.

                    The only place I'm confident that will be addressed in FA is OG since it is deep....we really have noone to step in...and we can't find someone with leadership and experience in the draft...which is something out OL needs.
                    Thomas is going back to Nolan at SFO. 40MM under cap and young D that could use a guy like Thomas who worked his way into Pro Bowl status.

                    But if we can trade LB back log by the grace of god (we won't) then why not Thomas. But you need to get rid of at least Burnett and one of the starting 4 except Ware.

                    But yeah ... OG is about one place where there is Supply to meet Demand. Also Guard is tough to play as a rookie and if you want a SB next year Rookie Guards should be backup and practice squad dudes.

                    But hey, we can dream right?

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                    • You may have noticed, but Adalius Thomas was named to the 1st team AP All-Pro Team. If you can find a way to get a player with that kind of ability and impact on your team, then you are always interested, no matter who else you may or may not have to move to get him in there, you just do.

                      That said, there is very, very little chance that we get the guy. In the first place, it has not been our m.o. to compete for the #1 prized FA in the pool, we just don't like to get into bidding wars and end up overpaying - which is what happens every single time. In the second, what are the chances that Baltimore lets its most productive and (arguably) best defensive player go? And lastly, what are the chances that - even if he hits the market - he wants to come here? Just not going to happen, although I would be thrilled if we got him.

                      But, like I have stated before, the biggest problem with this entire team is that we weren't able to mount enough of a rush for most of the season. Ellis coming back at full strength will help in that, but we still need more. Big plays on defense come out of the pass rush, and we weren't making enough big plays to win consistently.

                      The biggest thing we need is to find a big D-lineman that can provide push in the base defense and then give us some quality pressure in the nickel as well. Hatcher - if he improves significantly on an already impressive rookie season - can definately be that guy. But you just simply can't afford to bank on that kind of thing. We need our own Richard Seymour or Leonard Marshall type to make this thing really come to fruition. This is why Spears' struggles are likely the most damaging thing to us on this entire defense. He's been pretty good against the run - though admittedly inconsistent - but he just has done next to nothing against the pass all year long. I'm wondering if maybe he's having a hard time getting into a rhythm with all the shuffling we do up front.

                      I want to be clear here, even if we don't do a damn thing but just come back with the same roster plus our draft class, I still think we win a minimum of 10 games, with a ceiling of as many as 13. We will be SB contenders - barring major injuries or unforeseen declines in play. I think a lot of the problems that we had this year were of the "if-it's-not-one-thing-it's-another" variety. If you want to really look at it, our FS problems were not that bad towards the end of the year. Watkins was not directly involved in another long completion after he came back to the starting line-up. So you really can't just pin-point one specific area. One game it would be one player or group making tons of mistakes to cost us the game, and the next it would be a completely different player/group making completely different (though no less costly) mistakes.

                      Again, there were very few games this year where the "breaks" went our way. We could have easily been 11-5 or 12-4 with not much going differently this season. We have endured a QB controversy and eventual mid-season switch. We have endured the weekly media-spawned TO incidents. We have dealt with one guy (FS) costing us a shot at multiple games. We have been victimized by one of the most improbable and BS ridden ends to a game you will ever see (@ Washington). All that, and it still took a complete breakdown of epic proportions to prevent us from winning the division and likely earning a 1st round bye.

                      Meanwhile, we have certain posters coming in and trying to make these wholesale changes to a defense that was very staunch for most of the year, but had an unfortunate tendency to give up long pass plays. Oh, this person is slow, that person is slow, this person needs traded...etc etc. We have quality players at nearly every position on our team. FS, LDE, SOLB(after Ellis went down), and QB were the main problem areas for our team this season. We also had decent-but-would-like-to-get-more play from both OGs, RDE, SS, RB. Besides that, I would say that pretty much every other position on our team was very good. People that say that Anthony Henry struggled this season are up in the night. Does anyone realize that he tied the record for passes defensed this season? Yes, he was beaten a few times, and developed the bursa sac problem near the end of the year, but he was very good throughout.

                      The point of all this is that we shouldn't be over reacting to specific plays that happened in one game, or even to the team-wide malaise that ruined our December. We need to focus on the specific problem areas that reared their head throughout the season. That is, in no particular order:

                      - Pass rush
                      - Deep patrol
                      - O-line push in run-game

                      Besides that, we should also look into developing young players to take over for the few aging vets on our roster at WR, NT and LT.

                      We have a very nice roster, with playmakers at nearly every position you would want them. There is no reason to be asking for people's heads or making overly-reactive posts aimed at people that we consider to be the culprits for this season. I have mentioned before that this was a season in which it just wasn't going to click for us. I have also compared us to the Seahawks of 04, a team that came out the next year with very little difference in the roster and dominated the NFC on their was to the SB. I expect us to do something similar next year.
                      Originally posted by 21ST
                      He was protecting his self
                      Originally posted by tjsunstein
                      From what? His leg?
                      Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
                      That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
                      "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

                      DeMarcus Ware

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                      • Originally posted by thule
                        Originally posted by cowboysforever
                        But based on what I read you would prefer we use FA for an OLB and use the second round for a FS. I prefer the oppositte.
                        Originally posted by thule
                        We need to get Roy playing the Rover in the Nickle...this would leave Burnett and Roy as so called lb's...Then leave Watkins/Piscitelli as the safeties....or if we sign our vet...Sharper/Watkins deep and the best part of this is...if Roy shows the ability to play the Rover Burnett become completely expendable..which leaves room to draft a pass rushing specialist.
                        Really the only guy I want is Thomas...and we have about a 1:25 chance of landing him...I just tried to plan out ever concievable angle.

                        Like you said Briggs is a good player but probabally undersized...and wouldn't really give us anything that we don't have.

                        So in reality I would love to go after Sharper...but thats just as bold as predicting we are gonna sign Thomas.

                        The only place I'm confident that will be addressed in FA is OG since it is deep....we really have noone to step in...and we can't find someone with leadership and experience in the draft...which is something out OL needs.
                        I've been trying to tell people not to sleep on Proctor, this guy can really play. In fact, he was probably our best interior lineman during the preseason, and Parcells was constantly referring to him when asked about Peterman and the fact that he was a bust, suggesting that Proctor coming along was kind of making up for Peterman going belly up. This guy is, at the very least, going to be in consideration next year. That doesn't mean I don't want us to bring in a vet guard or anything, but rather that we don't HAVE to if the cost is going to be prohibitive.
                        Originally posted by 21ST
                        He was protecting his self
                        Originally posted by tjsunstein
                        From what? His leg?
                        Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
                        That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
                        "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

                        DeMarcus Ware

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                        • Originally posted by DMWSackMachine
                          Originally posted by thule
                          Originally posted by cowboysforever
                          But based on what I read you would prefer we use FA for an OLB and use the second round for a FS. I prefer the oppositte.
                          Originally posted by thule
                          We need to get Roy playing the Rover in the Nickle...this would leave Burnett and Roy as so called lb's...Then leave Watkins/Piscitelli as the safeties....or if we sign our vet...Sharper/Watkins deep and the best part of this is...if Roy shows the ability to play the Rover Burnett become completely expendable..which leaves room to draft a pass rushing specialist.
                          Really the only guy I want is Thomas...and we have about a 1:25 chance of landing him...I just tried to plan out ever concievable angle.

                          Like you said Briggs is a good player but probabally undersized...and wouldn't really give us anything that we don't have.

                          So in reality I would love to go after Sharper...but thats just as bold as predicting we are gonna sign Thomas.

                          The only place I'm confident that will be addressed in FA is OG since it is deep....we really have noone to step in...and we can't find someone with leadership and experience in the draft...which is something out OL needs.
                          I've been trying to tell people not to sleep on Proctor, this guy can really play. In fact, he was probably our best interior lineman during the preseason, and Parcells was constantly referring to him when asked about Peterman and the fact that he was a bust, suggesting that Proctor coming along was kind of making up for Peterman going belly up. This guy is, at the very least, going to be in consideration next year. That doesn't mean I don't want us to bring in a vet guard or anything, but rather that we don't HAVE to if the cost is going to be prohibitive.
                          From your lips to God's ears. Personally, I think both our guards are lacking so .... even if Proctor comes through, we sign Colombo, we sign Gurode, Flo stays ... I would stil go FA for Davis/Steinbach/whoever and bench Kosier.

                          Bench is Kosier, McQuistan and rookie G.

                          As is, we likely lose Johnson for nothing. Rivera was a bust.

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                          • Originally posted by cowboysforever
                            Originally posted by DMWSackMachine
                            Originally posted by thule
                            Originally posted by cowboysforever
                            But based on what I read you would prefer we use FA for an OLB and use the second round for a FS. I prefer the oppositte.
                            Originally posted by thule
                            We need to get Roy playing the Rover in the Nickle...this would leave Burnett and Roy as so called lb's...Then leave Watkins/Piscitelli as the safeties....or if we sign our vet...Sharper/Watkins deep and the best part of this is...if Roy shows the ability to play the Rover Burnett become completely expendable..which leaves room to draft a pass rushing specialist.
                            Really the only guy I want is Thomas...and we have about a 1:25 chance of landing him...I just tried to plan out ever concievable angle.

                            Like you said Briggs is a good player but probabally undersized...and wouldn't really give us anything that we don't have.

                            So in reality I would love to go after Sharper...but thats just as bold as predicting we are gonna sign Thomas.

                            The only place I'm confident that will be addressed in FA is OG since it is deep....we really have noone to step in...and we can't find someone with leadership and experience in the draft...which is something out OL needs.
                            I've been trying to tell people not to sleep on Proctor, this guy can really play. In fact, he was probably our best interior lineman during the preseason, and Parcells was constantly referring to him when asked about Peterman and the fact that he was a bust, suggesting that Proctor coming along was kind of making up for Peterman going belly up. This guy is, at the very least, going to be in consideration next year. That doesn't mean I don't want us to bring in a vet guard or anything, but rather that we don't HAVE to if the cost is going to be prohibitive.
                            From your lips to God's ears. Personally, I think both our guards are lacking so .... even if Proctor comes through, we sign Colombo, we sign Gurode, Flo stays ... I would stil go FA for Davis/Steinbach/whoever and bench Kosier.

                            Bench is Kosier, McQuistan and rookie G.

                            As is, we likely lose Johnson for nothing. Rivera was a bust.
                            I agree Proctor showed us somethin in TC..but I'll definately want to see it again...after all neither of our OG were ever being considered to be replaced..which has to make you think. This makes me even more avid to get a FA OG over a drafted guy. We have a developing youth that has the ability but just needs a bit of time....

                            Kosier was cap money well spent. We got a guy decently priced with veteran experience...and the versatility to play anywhere on the line. He is no Larry Allen but we knew that coming in. He is great when asked to pull and only seems to get abused when going up against bigger DT's on the bull rush...but 1 on 1 he should get beat...I mean Gurode was almost exclusively helping Rivera...and when he wasn't we all know what happened.

                            My question of the day is...if we bring in a solid smash mouth OG...would Koiser move the the right side to give us the beef to punch it in on the left side. Another thing this would enable...is second level blocking...If we had a LG that could get a solid push it would enable us to let Flozell get to the second level and thus Koiser could pull and kick out the DE...I wanna come out of FA with a mauler...I really think that could help our short yardage game...Koiser is a good player...but you can't ask him to get a great push when he is outweighed by 40lbs.

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                            • Originally posted by cowboysforever
                              Originally posted by Modano
                              Do you think that someone like Alama-Frncis could be avaible in the 4th-5th round? Like Anderson last year.. I like the idea of bringin an DE/OLB tweener to play 10-15 snaps a game lining up as a DE in the nickel..
                              Alibaba Francis will not. Kiper is chatting him up. He is 6'6, 260 and "they say" he runs like the wind. Former hoops guy too and that is fashionable.

                              He may be this years Ware.
                              Ikaika is actually a good run stuffer, but he only occassionally gets to the QB. Dallas needs someone that can create pressure. He played DE in Hawaii's 3-4 system under Jerry Glanville. I don't see him as an OLB in the NFL. I'll question his speed until it's timed. I've seen him play all year and he's the type that is in a lot of plays, but doesn't always stick out. Sounds weird, but that's how it is. The real playmaker on the Hawaii DL was Mel Purcell who knocked several QBs and RBs out of games this past year. He's devastating, but he doesn't get the hype. Don't know why...

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                              • Originally posted by thule
                                Originally posted by cowboysforever
                                Originally posted by DMWSackMachine
                                Originally posted by thule
                                Originally posted by cowboysforever
                                But based on what I read you would prefer we use FA for an OLB and use the second round for a FS. I prefer the oppositte.
                                Originally posted by thule
                                We need to get Roy playing the Rover in the Nickle...this would leave Burnett and Roy as so called lb's...Then leave Watkins/Piscitelli as the safeties....or if we sign our vet...Sharper/Watkins deep and the best part of this is...if Roy shows the ability to play the Rover Burnett become completely expendable..which leaves room to draft a pass rushing specialist.
                                Really the only guy I want is Thomas...and we have about a 1:25 chance of landing him...I just tried to plan out ever concievable angle.

                                Like you said Briggs is a good player but probabally undersized...and wouldn't really give us anything that we don't have.

                                So in reality I would love to go after Sharper...but thats just as bold as predicting we are gonna sign Thomas.

                                The only place I'm confident that will be addressed in FA is OG since it is deep....we really have noone to step in...and we can't find someone with leadership and experience in the draft...which is something out OL needs.
                                I've been trying to tell people not to sleep on Proctor, this guy can really play. In fact, he was probably our best interior lineman during the preseason, and Parcells was constantly referring to him when asked about Peterman and the fact that he was a bust, suggesting that Proctor coming along was kind of making up for Peterman going belly up. This guy is, at the very least, going to be in consideration next year. That doesn't mean I don't want us to bring in a vet guard or anything, but rather that we don't HAVE to if the cost is going to be prohibitive.
                                From your lips to God's ears. Personally, I think both our guards are lacking so .... even if Proctor comes through, we sign Colombo, we sign Gurode, Flo stays ... I would stil go FA for Davis/Steinbach/whoever and bench Kosier.

                                Bench is Kosier, McQuistan and rookie G.

                                As is, we likely lose Johnson for nothing. Rivera was a bust.
                                I agree Proctor showed us somethin in TC..but I'll definately want to see it again...after all neither of our OG were ever being considered to be replaced..which has to make you think. This makes me even more avid to get a FA OG over a drafted guy. We have a developing youth that has the ability but just needs a bit of time....

                                Kosier was cap money well spent. We got a guy decently priced with veteran experience...and the versatility to play anywhere on the line. He is no Larry Allen but we knew that coming in. He is great when asked to pull and only seems to get abused when going up against bigger DT's on the bull rush...but 1 on 1 he should get beat...I mean Gurode was almost exclusively helping Rivera...and when he wasn't we all know what happened.

                                My question of the day is...if we bring in a solid smash mouth OG...would Koiser move the the right side to give us the beef to punch it in on the left side. Another thing this would enable...is second level blocking...If we had a LG that could get a solid push it would enable us to let Flozell get to the second level and thus Koiser could pull and kick out the DE...I wanna come out of FA with a mauler...I really think that could help our short yardage game...Koiser is a good player...but you can't ask him to get a great push when he is outweighed by 40lbs.
                                It's easy to say "I want to get (fill in the blank) in FA", but you have to realize that it's just a list of players. If you want a mauler, you have to come up with a specific name. Leonard Davis is not a guard. He's waaaaay too tall, and a perenial underachiever to boot. Steinbach is the best choice, but there will be a lot of competition for his services, and even then I don't think he is a major road-grader type like you are hoping for (though I am not positive because I haven't watched him play much). Besides that, who is out there that will be available and fit your bill? I can't think of anyone who doesn't give me serious pause.
                                Originally posted by 21ST
                                He was protecting his self
                                Originally posted by tjsunstein
                                From what? His leg?
                                Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
                                That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
                                "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

                                DeMarcus Ware

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