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  • Originally posted by DaRkNiGht08
    This is insane.

    I agree on the fact that We are overreacting on our FS situation.
    People are forgetting We signed Parrish; that guy is a beast and a hardworker. We have Watkins who was actually getting along towards the end of the season. Drafting a rookie would mean starting over.
    Agree, rather we upgrade the Offense with a starter then get a back up or specialty player for the D.

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    • Originally posted by pocketaces
      hahaha aikman just said dallas had chances against this seattle secondary but never went after them.
      Did Aikman ALSO say that if Glenn and Romo don't fumble we win the game?

      Playoff football is so close that you have to be able to execute with pressure or get lots of breaks.

      Has anyone watched the games this weekend? Perfect evidence of this fact. You can not have fumbled FG snaps and end zone fumbles and expect to win.

      The fact Sean Peyton got away with a missed block on a Punt (which should have been blocked) then got a first down AND the fact Peyton made a horrid pitch call that should have turned into points for Philly says it all to me. LUCK matters if you make mistakes.

      Teams are too close in talent and it goes to BP's saying (rightly) that a mentally tough team who does not make mistakes will win more than their fair share of games.

      The Dallas Cowboys 2006 where neither mentally tough nor played mistake free nor got lucky. In fact every big call this season went against them.

      So, again, if Glenn and Romo don't fumble we are playing today. That is called good coaching to me.

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      • Originally posted by pocketaces
        cowboysforever found this info on roys contract and why he will not get traded.

        Quick salary cap tutorial: For cap purposes, signing bonuses are pro-rated over the life of a contract, even though they are actually paid all in one year. This year Roy signed a 5-year deal worth $25.2 million with an $11.1 million signing bonus. So, pro-rating that out, Roy's signing bonus gives a cap hit of $2.22 million a year ($11.1M divided by 5). According to the NFLPA website, Roy's base salary this year was $585K, which means that although he was actually paid $11,685,000 this season, for the purposes of the salary cap he only counted $2,805,000 (base salary of $585,000 + $2.22M pro-rated portion of signing bonus).

        Sounds great, right? Pay the player now, but don't use all your cap space. That's how the 'Skins sign those big FA deals every year. But the kicker is that as soon as the player in question is no longer on the team (whether it be due to being released, traded, retirement, whatever), the rest of the pro-rated portion of the bonus is accelerated into the current year for salary cap purposes.

        So, again applying the real world numbers as they relate to RW: were he to be released or traded this off-season, the remainder ($8.88M) of his pro-rated signing bonus would count against our cap this year. That's why you never see big name trades in the NFL - if they've gotten paid, they're not getting traded, because no team is going to be willing to take the cap hit.

        so knowing this i hope you stop the lets trade roy rants because as you can see it will never happen. was it a mistake to resign him? maybe but its done so lets move on.
        Actually Pocket Aces, Roy's signing bonus is not amortized in a straight line. THE ENTIRE CONTRACT IS.

        So this year was 5MM (25/5) versus the cap with 585K being base and the rest 4.6MM in signing.

        So, the unamoritzed portion of Roy's signing bonus is more like 6MM.

        Gotta understand this first before saying what can (and can not) be done.

        So .... unless my source is wrong .....

        That is why the GMs make those contracts that way -- front load signing bonus into the first few years of the contract and more base into the back.

        It makes cutting players easier while giving players the up front money they want.

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        • Originally posted by cowboysforever
          Originally posted by pocketaces
          hahaha aikman just said dallas had chances against this seattle secondary but never went after them.
          Did Aikman ALSO say that if Glenn and Romo don't fumble we win the game?

          Playoff football is so close that you have to be able to execute with pressure or get lots of breaks.

          Has anyone watched the games this weekend? Perfect evidence of this fact. You can not have fumbled FG snaps and end zone fumbles and expect to win.

          The fact Sean Peyton got away with a missed block on a Punt (which should have been blocked) then got a first down AND the fact Peyton made a horrid pitch call that should have turned into points for Philly says it all to me. LUCK matters if you make mistakes.

          Teams are too close in talent and it goes to BP's saying (rightly) that a mentally tough team who does not make mistakes will win more than their fair share of games.

          The Dallas Cowboys 2006 where neither mentally tough nor played mistake free nor got lucky. In fact every big call this season went against them.

          So, again, if Glenn and Romo don't fumble we are playing today. That is called good coaching to me.
          the fact that our team did not exploit their weekness is bad coaching. did you forget that we returned a kickoff for a touchdown in that game? if not for that we probably are never in position to win. our offense sucked that game and there were no adjustments. if you want a predictable offense and not give our best players a chance to make plays..then i guess youve got it.




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          • Originally posted by pocketaces
            cowboysforever found this info on roys contract and why he will not get traded.

            Quick salary cap tutorial: For cap purposes, signing bonuses are pro-rated over the life of a contract, even though they are actually paid all in one year. This year Roy signed a 5-year deal worth $25.2 million with an $11.1 million signing bonus. So, pro-rating that out, Roy's signing bonus gives a cap hit of $2.22 million a year ($11.1M divided by 5). According to the NFLPA website, Roy's base salary this year was $585K, which means that although he was actually paid $11,685,000 this season, for the purposes of the salary cap he only counted $2,805,000 (base salary of $585,000 + $2.22M pro-rated portion of signing bonus).

            Sounds great, right? Pay the player now, but don't use all your cap space. That's how the 'Skins sign those big FA deals every year. But the kicker is that as soon as the player in question is no longer on the team (whether it be due to being released, traded, retirement, whatever), the rest of the pro-rated portion of the bonus is accelerated into the current year for salary cap purposes.

            So, again applying the real world numbers as they relate to RW: were he to be released or traded this off-season, the remainder ($8.88M) of his pro-rated signing bonus would count against our cap this year. That's why you never see big name trades in the NFL - if they've gotten paid, they're not getting traded, because no team is going to be willing to take the cap hit.

            so knowing this i hope you stop the lets trade roy rants because as you can see it will never happen. was it a mistake to resign him? maybe but its done so lets move on.
            Also, bartering (player for player) in the NFL is hard because it is difficult to reconcile contracts for value -- for the reasons you point out.

            Most trades are for Draft picks b/c it is easier to use Draft Picks as a store of player value.

            Same reason we use pieces of paper (money) as an exchange mechanism for goods and services.

            But if you find players with similar contract values -- you can trade. Evidence the NBA where trades many times require matching contract sizes and duration.

            Anyway, this is too complicated for most fans to understand and made impossilbe unless you have the NFL Commish's office database of contracts and how THAT office decides they are going to amortize the contract -- cuz they have final say.

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            • Originally posted by cowboysforever
              Originally posted by pocketaces
              cowboysforever found this info on roys contract and why he will not get traded.

              Quick salary cap tutorial: For cap purposes, signing bonuses are pro-rated over the life of a contract, even though they are actually paid all in one year. This year Roy signed a 5-year deal worth $25.2 million with an $11.1 million signing bonus. So, pro-rating that out, Roy's signing bonus gives a cap hit of $2.22 million a year ($11.1M divided by 5). According to the NFLPA website, Roy's base salary this year was $585K, which means that although he was actually paid $11,685,000 this season, for the purposes of the salary cap he only counted $2,805,000 (base salary of $585,000 + $2.22M pro-rated portion of signing bonus).

              Sounds great, right? Pay the player now, but don't use all your cap space. That's how the 'Skins sign those big FA deals every year. But the kicker is that as soon as the player in question is no longer on the team (whether it be due to being released, traded, retirement, whatever), the rest of the pro-rated portion of the bonus is accelerated into the current year for salary cap purposes.

              So, again applying the real world numbers as they relate to RW: were he to be released or traded this off-season, the remainder ($8.88M) of his pro-rated signing bonus would count against our cap this year. That's why you never see big name trades in the NFL - if they've gotten paid, they're not getting traded, because no team is going to be willing to take the cap hit.

              so knowing this i hope you stop the lets trade roy rants because as you can see it will never happen. was it a mistake to resign him? maybe but its done so lets move on.
              Actually Pocket Aces, Roy's signing bonus is not amortized in a straight line. THE ENTIRE CONTRACT IS.

              So this year was 5MM (25/5) versus the cap with 585K being base and the rest 4.6MM in signing.

              So, the unamoritzed portion of Roy's signing bonus is more like 6MM.

              Gotta understand this first before saying what can (and can not) be done.

              So .... unless my source is wrong .....

              That is why the GMs make those contracts that way -- front load signing bonus into the first few years of the contract and more base into the back.

              It makes cutting players easier while giving players the up front money they want.
              ok i guess you know more than anybody else. im just giving what other people think are the facts. if i told you the sky was blue im sure you would have an argument for that too if it did not fit your needs.




              The greastest team of all time...The OKLAHOMA SOONERS!!! http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3849468

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              • Originally posted by pocketaces
                Originally posted by cowboysforever
                Originally posted by pocketaces
                cowboysforever found this info on roys contract and why he will not get traded.

                Quick salary cap tutorial: For cap purposes, signing bonuses are pro-rated over the life of a contract, even though they are actually paid all in one year. This year Roy signed a 5-year deal worth $25.2 million with an $11.1 million signing bonus. So, pro-rating that out, Roy's signing bonus gives a cap hit of $2.22 million a year ($11.1M divided by 5). According to the NFLPA website, Roy's base salary this year was $585K, which means that although he was actually paid $11,685,000 this season, for the purposes of the salary cap he only counted $2,805,000 (base salary of $585,000 + $2.22M pro-rated portion of signing bonus).

                Sounds great, right? Pay the player now, but don't use all your cap space. That's how the 'Skins sign those big FA deals every year. But the kicker is that as soon as the player in question is no longer on the team (whether it be due to being released, traded, retirement, whatever), the rest of the pro-rated portion of the bonus is accelerated into the current year for salary cap purposes.

                So, again applying the real world numbers as they relate to RW: were he to be released or traded this off-season, the remainder ($8.88M) of his pro-rated signing bonus would count against our cap this year. That's why you never see big name trades in the NFL - if they've gotten paid, they're not getting traded, because no team is going to be willing to take the cap hit.

                so knowing this i hope you stop the lets trade roy rants because as you can see it will never happen. was it a mistake to resign him? maybe but its done so lets move on.
                Actually Pocket Aces, Roy's signing bonus is not amortized in a straight line. THE ENTIRE CONTRACT IS.

                So this year was 5MM (25/5) versus the cap with 585K being base and the rest 4.6MM in signing.

                So, the unamoritzed portion of Roy's signing bonus is more like 6MM.

                Gotta understand this first before saying what can (and can not) be done.

                So .... unless my source is wrong .....

                That is why the GMs make those contracts that way -- front load signing bonus into the first few years of the contract and more base into the back.

                It makes cutting players easier while giving players the up front money they want.
                ok i guess you know more than anybody else. im just giving what other people think are the facts. if i told you the sky was blue im sure you would have an argument for that too if it did not fit your needs.
                Call the NFL. They will explain to you how this is done. I did it -- so can you.

                ENTIRE CONTRACT is straight line amortized. Not just signing bonus then the salary.

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                • Originally posted by pocketaces
                  Originally posted by cowboysforever
                  Originally posted by pocketaces
                  hahaha aikman just said dallas had chances against this seattle secondary but never went after them.
                  Did Aikman ALSO say that if Glenn and Romo don't fumble we win the game?

                  Playoff football is so close that you have to be able to execute with pressure or get lots of breaks.

                  Has anyone watched the games this weekend? Perfect evidence of this fact. You can not have fumbled FG snaps and end zone fumbles and expect to win.

                  The fact Sean Peyton got away with a missed block on a Punt (which should have been blocked) then got a first down AND the fact Peyton made a horrid pitch call that should have turned into points for Philly says it all to me. LUCK matters if you make mistakes.

                  Teams are too close in talent and it goes to BP's saying (rightly) that a mentally tough team who does not make mistakes will win more than their fair share of games.

                  The Dallas Cowboys 2006 where neither mentally tough nor played mistake free nor got lucky. In fact every big call this season went against them.

                  So, again, if Glenn and Romo don't fumble we are playing today. That is called good coaching to me.
                  the fact that our team did not exploit their weekness is bad coaching. did you forget that we returned a kickoff for a touchdown in that game? if not for that we probably are never in position to win. our offense sucked that game and there were no adjustments. if you want a predictable offense and not give our best players a chance to make plays..then i guess youve got it.
                  You should not have to make "offensive" plays up 20-13 with the ball with 6 minutes or so left in the game.

                  Fact, Glenn and Romo don't fumble I am watching the Cowboys today and no one is talking play calling.

                  Just like if Peyton's half brain pitch which was fumbled by Bush is not a topic of conversation b/c the REF prevented the Eagles from logging that first down on 4th and 10.

                  I am not disagreeing with your point that play calling (coulda, shoulda, mighta) but that is what it is and WHAT HAPPENS IN THE GAME is more important in the outcome than WHAT MIGHTA COULD AND SHOULDA.

                  You guys have very thin skin when folks present alternatives. I guess you just want to hear everyone saying the same thing.

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                  • Originally posted by cowboysforever
                    Originally posted by pocketaces
                    Originally posted by cowboysforever
                    Originally posted by pocketaces
                    cowboysforever found this info on roys contract and why he will not get traded.

                    Quick salary cap tutorial: For cap purposes, signing bonuses are pro-rated over the life of a contract, even though they are actually paid all in one year. This year Roy signed a 5-year deal worth $25.2 million with an $11.1 million signing bonus. So, pro-rating that out, Roy's signing bonus gives a cap hit of $2.22 million a year ($11.1M divided by 5). According to the NFLPA website, Roy's base salary this year was $585K, which means that although he was actually paid $11,685,000 this season, for the purposes of the salary cap he only counted $2,805,000 (base salary of $585,000 + $2.22M pro-rated portion of signing bonus).

                    Sounds great, right? Pay the player now, but don't use all your cap space. That's how the 'Skins sign those big FA deals every year. But the kicker is that as soon as the player in question is no longer on the team (whether it be due to being released, traded, retirement, whatever), the rest of the pro-rated portion of the bonus is accelerated into the current year for salary cap purposes.

                    So, again applying the real world numbers as they relate to RW: were he to be released or traded this off-season, the remainder ($8.88M) of his pro-rated signing bonus would count against our cap this year. That's why you never see big name trades in the NFL - if they've gotten paid, they're not getting traded, because no team is going to be willing to take the cap hit.

                    so knowing this i hope you stop the lets trade roy rants because as you can see it will never happen. was it a mistake to resign him? maybe but its done so lets move on.
                    Actually Pocket Aces, Roy's signing bonus is not amortized in a straight line. THE ENTIRE CONTRACT IS.

                    So this year was 5MM (25/5) versus the cap with 585K being base and the rest 4.6MM in signing.

                    So, the unamoritzed portion of Roy's signing bonus is more like 6MM.

                    Gotta understand this first before saying what can (and can not) be done.

                    So .... unless my source is wrong .....

                    That is why the GMs make those contracts that way -- front load signing bonus into the first few years of the contract and more base into the back.

                    It makes cutting players easier while giving players the up front money they want.
                    ok i guess you know more than anybody else. im just giving what other people think are the facts. if i told you the sky was blue im sure you would have an argument for that too if it did not fit your needs.
                    Call the NFL. They will explain to you how this is done. I did it -- so can you.

                    ENTIRE CONTRACT is straight line amortized. Not just signing bonus then the salary.
                    ummm o.k. whatever, i just gave you a complete rundown of his contract and you disagree so....8.8 mill or 6 mill either way its not going to happen.




                    The greastest team of all time...The OKLAHOMA SOONERS!!! http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3849468

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                    • Originally posted by pocketaces
                      Originally posted by cowboysforever
                      Originally posted by pocketaces
                      Originally posted by cowboysforever
                      Originally posted by pocketaces
                      cowboysforever found this info on roys contract and why he will not get traded.

                      Quick salary cap tutorial: For cap purposes, signing bonuses are pro-rated over the life of a contract, even though they are actually paid all in one year. This year Roy signed a 5-year deal worth $25.2 million with an $11.1 million signing bonus. So, pro-rating that out, Roy's signing bonus gives a cap hit of $2.22 million a year ($11.1M divided by 5). According to the NFLPA website, Roy's base salary this year was $585K, which means that although he was actually paid $11,685,000 this season, for the purposes of the salary cap he only counted $2,805,000 (base salary of $585,000 + $2.22M pro-rated portion of signing bonus).

                      Sounds great, right? Pay the player now, but don't use all your cap space. That's how the 'Skins sign those big FA deals every year. But the kicker is that as soon as the player in question is no longer on the team (whether it be due to being released, traded, retirement, whatever), the rest of the pro-rated portion of the bonus is accelerated into the current year for salary cap purposes.

                      So, again applying the real world numbers as they relate to RW: were he to be released or traded this off-season, the remainder ($8.88M) of his pro-rated signing bonus would count against our cap this year. That's why you never see big name trades in the NFL - if they've gotten paid, they're not getting traded, because no team is going to be willing to take the cap hit.

                      so knowing this i hope you stop the lets trade roy rants because as you can see it will never happen. was it a mistake to resign him? maybe but its done so lets move on.
                      Actually Pocket Aces, Roy's signing bonus is not amortized in a straight line. THE ENTIRE CONTRACT IS.

                      So this year was 5MM (25/5) versus the cap with 585K being base and the rest 4.6MM in signing.

                      So, the unamoritzed portion of Roy's signing bonus is more like 6MM.

                      Gotta understand this first before saying what can (and can not) be done.

                      So .... unless my source is wrong .....

                      That is why the GMs make those contracts that way -- front load signing bonus into the first few years of the contract and more base into the back.

                      It makes cutting players easier while giving players the up front money they want.
                      ok i guess you know more than anybody else. im just giving what other people think are the facts. if i told you the sky was blue im sure you would have an argument for that too if it did not fit your needs.
                      Call the NFL. They will explain to you how this is done. I did it -- so can you.

                      ENTIRE CONTRACT is straight line amortized. Not just signing bonus then the salary.
                      ummm o.k. whatever, i just gave you a complete rundown of his contract and you disagree so....8.8 mill or 6 mill either way its not going to happen.
                      Whatever?

                      As I said before, it would be nice if you said. "Yup, you are right. I am wrong. That makes it easier. Even if I disagree on the ultimate premise of trading Roy." and leave it at that.

                      Instead, you blow off facts and sit tight on the same conclusion. Very stubborn.

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                      • Originally posted by pocketaces
                        Originally posted by cowboysforever
                        Originally posted by pocketaces
                        Originally posted by cowboysforever
                        Originally posted by pocketaces
                        cowboysforever found this info on roys contract and why he will not get traded.

                        Quick salary cap tutorial: For cap purposes, signing bonuses are pro-rated over the life of a contract, even though they are actually paid all in one year. This year Roy signed a 5-year deal worth $25.2 million with an $11.1 million signing bonus. So, pro-rating that out, Roy's signing bonus gives a cap hit of $2.22 million a year ($11.1M divided by 5). According to the NFLPA website, Roy's base salary this year was $585K, which means that although he was actually paid $11,685,000 this season, for the purposes of the salary cap he only counted $2,805,000 (base salary of $585,000 + $2.22M pro-rated portion of signing bonus).

                        Sounds great, right? Pay the player now, but don't use all your cap space. That's how the 'Skins sign those big FA deals every year. But the kicker is that as soon as the player in question is no longer on the team (whether it be due to being released, traded, retirement, whatever), the rest of the pro-rated portion of the bonus is accelerated into the current year for salary cap purposes.

                        So, again applying the real world numbers as they relate to RW: were he to be released or traded this off-season, the remainder ($8.88M) of his pro-rated signing bonus would count against our cap this year. That's why you never see big name trades in the NFL - if they've gotten paid, they're not getting traded, because no team is going to be willing to take the cap hit.

                        so knowing this i hope you stop the lets trade roy rants because as you can see it will never happen. was it a mistake to resign him? maybe but its done so lets move on.
                        Actually Pocket Aces, Roy's signing bonus is not amortized in a straight line. THE ENTIRE CONTRACT IS.

                        So this year was 5MM (25/5) versus the cap with 585K being base and the rest 4.6MM in signing.

                        So, the unamoritzed portion of Roy's signing bonus is more like 6MM.

                        Gotta understand this first before saying what can (and can not) be done.

                        So .... unless my source is wrong .....

                        That is why the GMs make those contracts that way -- front load signing bonus into the first few years of the contract and more base into the back.

                        It makes cutting players easier while giving players the up front money they want.
                        ok i guess you know more than anybody else. im just giving what other people think are the facts. if i told you the sky was blue im sure you would have an argument for that too if it did not fit your needs.
                        Call the NFL. They will explain to you how this is done. I did it -- so can you.

                        ENTIRE CONTRACT is straight line amortized. Not just signing bonus then the salary.
                        ummm o.k. whatever, i just gave you a complete rundown of his contract and you disagree so....8.8 mill or 6 mill either way its not going to happen.
                        By the way, Roy is tradable. Just ain't getting much more than a 3rd or 4th and the team needs to really want a "Rover" type player or desperately want an WOLB in the 4-3.

                        Player for player alternatives require knowing more about contracts but I am sure there are more than a few.

                        What Jerry really thinks I dunno cuz it is in his best interest to defend Roy and ultimately defend his trade value in the open market AT ALL COST.

                        It would be like me trying to sell my business and bad mouthing it to potential buyers. Whatever opinions you have you keep them silent and present the best possible case for the player.

                        This is reality.

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                        • Originally posted by cowboysforever
                          Originally posted by pocketaces
                          Originally posted by cowboysforever
                          Originally posted by pocketaces
                          hahaha aikman just said dallas had chances against this seattle secondary but never went after them.
                          Did Aikman ALSO say that if Glenn and Romo don't fumble we win the game?

                          Playoff football is so close that you have to be able to execute with pressure or get lots of breaks.

                          Has anyone watched the games this weekend? Perfect evidence of this fact. You can not have fumbled FG snaps and end zone fumbles and expect to win.

                          The fact Sean Peyton got away with a missed block on a Punt (which should have been blocked) then got a first down AND the fact Peyton made a horrid pitch call that should have turned into points for Philly says it all to me. LUCK matters if you make mistakes.

                          Teams are too close in talent and it goes to BP's saying (rightly) that a mentally tough team who does not make mistakes will win more than their fair share of games.

                          The Dallas Cowboys 2006 where neither mentally tough nor played mistake free nor got lucky. In fact every big call this season went against them.

                          So, again, if Glenn and Romo don't fumble we are playing today. That is called good coaching to me.
                          the fact that our team did not exploit their weekness is bad coaching. did you forget that we returned a kickoff for a touchdown in that game? if not for that we probably are never in position to win. our offense sucked that game and there were no adjustments. if you want a predictable offense and not give our best players a chance to make plays..then i guess youve got it.
                          You should not have to make "offensive" plays up 20-13 with the ball with 6 minutes or so left in the game.

                          Fact, Glenn and Romo don't fumble I am watching the Cowboys today and no one is talking play calling.

                          Just like if Peyton's half brain pitch which was fumbled by Bush is not a topic of conversation b/c the REF prevented the Eagles from logging that first down on 4th and 10.

                          I am not disagreeing with your point that play calling (coulda, shoulda, mighta) but that is what it is and WHAT HAPPENS IN THE GAME is more important in the outcome than WHAT MIGHTA COULD AND SHOULDA.

                          You guys have very thin skin when folks present alternatives. I guess you just want to hear everyone saying the same thing.
                          no your right the offensive plays should have come much sooner than 6 min or so left in the game. thin skin? the only one with thin skin is you when almighty bill gets 2nd guessed. the fact that you only claim 2 drafts belong to bill in his 4 years here is just a joke. the fact that he hasnt won a playoff game in 4 years or that his record is barely over .500 in 4 years but yet you keep defending him is a joke. dont get me wrong i like bill but he hasnt produced in dallas. end of story. if he retires his time here will be considered a failure. i hope he comes back for 1 more year but he needs to make changes and open things up.




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                          • Originally posted by cowboysforever
                            Originally posted by pocketaces
                            Originally posted by cowboysforever
                            Originally posted by pocketaces
                            Originally posted by cowboysforever
                            Originally posted by pocketaces
                            cowboysforever found this info on roys contract and why he will not get traded.

                            Quick salary cap tutorial: For cap purposes, signing bonuses are pro-rated over the life of a contract, even though they are actually paid all in one year. This year Roy signed a 5-year deal worth $25.2 million with an $11.1 million signing bonus. So, pro-rating that out, Roy's signing bonus gives a cap hit of $2.22 million a year ($11.1M divided by 5). According to the NFLPA website, Roy's base salary this year was $585K, which means that although he was actually paid $11,685,000 this season, for the purposes of the salary cap he only counted $2,805,000 (base salary of $585,000 + $2.22M pro-rated portion of signing bonus).

                            Sounds great, right? Pay the player now, but don't use all your cap space. That's how the 'Skins sign those big FA deals every year. But the kicker is that as soon as the player in question is no longer on the team (whether it be due to being released, traded, retirement, whatever), the rest of the pro-rated portion of the bonus is accelerated into the current year for salary cap purposes.

                            So, again applying the real world numbers as they relate to RW: were he to be released or traded this off-season, the remainder ($8.88M) of his pro-rated signing bonus would count against our cap this year. That's why you never see big name trades in the NFL - if they've gotten paid, they're not getting traded, because no team is going to be willing to take the cap hit.

                            so knowing this i hope you stop the lets trade roy rants because as you can see it will never happen. was it a mistake to resign him? maybe but its done so lets move on.
                            Actually Pocket Aces, Roy's signing bonus is not amortized in a straight line. THE ENTIRE CONTRACT IS.

                            So this year was 5MM (25/5) versus the cap with 585K being base and the rest 4.6MM in signing.

                            So, the unamoritzed portion of Roy's signing bonus is more like 6MM.

                            Gotta understand this first before saying what can (and can not) be done.

                            So .... unless my source is wrong .....

                            That is why the GMs make those contracts that way -- front load signing bonus into the first few years of the contract and more base into the back.

                            It makes cutting players easier while giving players the up front money they want.
                            ok i guess you know more than anybody else. im just giving what other people think are the facts. if i told you the sky was blue im sure you would have an argument for that too if it did not fit your needs.
                            Call the NFL. They will explain to you how this is done. I did it -- so can you.

                            ENTIRE CONTRACT is straight line amortized. Not just signing bonus then the salary.
                            ummm o.k. whatever, i just gave you a complete rundown of his contract and you disagree so....8.8 mill or 6 mill either way its not going to happen.
                            Whatever?

                            As I said before, it would be nice if you said. "Yup, you are right. I am wrong. That makes it easier. Even if I disagree on the ultimate premise of trading Roy." and leave it at that.

                            Instead, you blow off facts and sit tight on the same conclusion. Very stubborn.
                            right about what? im saying roy will not be traded you are wrong.




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                            • Originally posted by pocketaces
                              Originally posted by cowboysforever
                              Originally posted by pocketaces
                              Originally posted by cowboysforever
                              Originally posted by pocketaces
                              hahaha aikman just said dallas had chances against this seattle secondary but never went after them.
                              Did Aikman ALSO say that if Glenn and Romo don't fumble we win the game?

                              Playoff football is so close that you have to be able to execute with pressure or get lots of breaks.

                              Has anyone watched the games this weekend? Perfect evidence of this fact. You can not have fumbled FG snaps and end zone fumbles and expect to win.

                              The fact Sean Peyton got away with a missed block on a Punt (which should have been blocked) then got a first down AND the fact Peyton made a horrid pitch call that should have turned into points for Philly says it all to me. LUCK matters if you make mistakes.

                              Teams are too close in talent and it goes to BP's saying (rightly) that a mentally tough team who does not make mistakes will win more than their fair share of games.

                              The Dallas Cowboys 2006 where neither mentally tough nor played mistake free nor got lucky. In fact every big call this season went against them.

                              So, again, if Glenn and Romo don't fumble we are playing today. That is called good coaching to me.
                              the fact that our team did not exploit their weekness is bad coaching. did you forget that we returned a kickoff for a touchdown in that game? if not for that we probably are never in position to win. our offense sucked that game and there were no adjustments. if you want a predictable offense and not give our best players a chance to make plays..then i guess youve got it.
                              You should not have to make "offensive" plays up 20-13 with the ball with 6 minutes or so left in the game.

                              Fact, Glenn and Romo don't fumble I am watching the Cowboys today and no one is talking play calling.

                              Just like if Peyton's half brain pitch which was fumbled by Bush is not a topic of conversation b/c the REF prevented the Eagles from logging that first down on 4th and 10.

                              I am not disagreeing with your point that play calling (coulda, shoulda, mighta) but that is what it is and WHAT HAPPENS IN THE GAME is more important in the outcome than WHAT MIGHTA COULD AND SHOULDA.

                              You guys have very thin skin when folks present alternatives. I guess you just want to hear everyone saying the same thing.
                              no your right the offensive plays should have come much sooner than 6 min or so left in the game. thin skin? the only one with thin skin is you when almighty bill gets 2nd guessed. the fact that you only claim 2 drafts belong to bill in his 4 years here is just a joke. the fact that he hasnt won a playoff game in 4 years or that his record is barely over .500 in 4 years but yet you keep defending him is a joke. dont get me wrong i like bill but he hasnt produced in dallas. end of story. if he retires his time here will be considered a failure. i hope he comes back for 1 more year but he needs to make changes and open things up.
                              2 Drafts are BP. Other 2 are Jerry. I have presented my analysis and facts to support my conclusion.

                              You can disagree all you want but remember Jeff Ireland was named the Director of Scouting in 2005 after Larry Lacewell (a Jerra Guy) was canned. Also remember, 2003 BP was over ruled on the Newman versus
                              K Williams dialogue.

                              Let me show data to support my point .... 2004 last draft for Jerrra and Larry Lacewell... courtesy Pro Football Weekly.

                              Feb. 26, 2004

                              Cowboys owner Jerry Jones fielded questions last week about the unknown whereabouts of his head coach, Bill Parcells, at the Scouting Combine in Indianapolis last week, and it turns out that Parcells was not, as some media had joked, vacationing in the Bahamas. “(He’s) watching film. I was very surprised at how short a break that he felt that he needed (after the season). He's just spending all of his time being fed film and looking at film and looking at players.” Jones and Parcells are preparing for what will be a busy offseason for the team, which reportedly had entered discussions with Tampa Bay for WR Keyshawn Johnson in a trade for WR Joey Galloway, who possesses a high cap figure. Jones hinted that the team has several areas of need it will address, and their favorable cap situation makes that process easier.


                              Now one year later

                              Jan. 10, 2005

                              Bill Parcells has indicated that major changes are coming this offseason, and two early moves indicate no one should feel safe. In addition to scouting director Larry Lacewell, who ran the team’s drafts for the past 11 years, stepping down, Parcells let OL coach George Warhop go. DL coach Kacy Rogers and LB coach Gary Gibbs could be the next to be fired or could take jobs elsewhere. Of the Cowboys’ unrestricted free agents, only QB Vinny Testaverde has a better-than-average chance of returning. With two first-round picks and as much as $20 million in cap space and needs on both sides of the ball, expect the personnel to have a vastly different look too. The primary needs include wide receiver, OL help, a reserve running back, DL and secondary help, but those needs could change if Parcells decides to switch to a 3-4 defense, as has been rumored. That might spell the end of Dexter Coakley’s run with the team because the veteran would be an expensive square peg in a round hole in that formation. It also would intensify the need for a nose tackle who can take up two gaps, with La’Roi Glover likely moving to end if the switch is made.


                              ... And in that same year this ......

                              March 23, 2005

                              In another believed disagreement between coach and owner, the Cowboys’ two top decision-makers, head coach Bill Parcells and owner/GM Jerry Jones, the Cowboys won’t be sending MLB Dat Nguyen to the Saints in a proposed deal for pass rusher Darren Howard, a team source says. The two teams spoke last week, and the Saints reportedly asked the Cowboys for Nguyen in a swap of defensive players. Jones supposedly was more willing to relinquish Nguyen, but Parcells balked at giving up one of his most productive defenders, though Nguyen is coming off an unspectacular season. The irony is that Parcells always has favored bigger linebackers through the years, but he showed his affection for the smallish Nguyen two years ago by calling him a “football-playing dude.”



                              BP got control over player personnel and scouting when Lacewell was canned after the 6-10 season. He then got Ireland too. He finally got some power over Jerra following the 2004 season.

                              2005 we used most the draft picks to switch to the 3-4 which Zimmer did not want and the last two years are absolutely BP. Better or worse.

                              Facts. Conclusion. Period.

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                              • Originally posted by pocketaces
                                Originally posted by cowboysforever
                                Originally posted by pocketaces
                                Originally posted by cowboysforever
                                Originally posted by pocketaces
                                Originally posted by cowboysforever
                                Originally posted by pocketaces
                                cowboysforever found this info on roys contract and why he will not get traded.

                                Quick salary cap tutorial: For cap purposes, signing bonuses are pro-rated over the life of a contract, even though they are actually paid all in one year. This year Roy signed a 5-year deal worth $25.2 million with an $11.1 million signing bonus. So, pro-rating that out, Roy's signing bonus gives a cap hit of $2.22 million a year ($11.1M divided by 5). According to the NFLPA website, Roy's base salary this year was $585K, which means that although he was actually paid $11,685,000 this season, for the purposes of the salary cap he only counted $2,805,000 (base salary of $585,000 + $2.22M pro-rated portion of signing bonus).

                                Sounds great, right? Pay the player now, but don't use all your cap space. That's how the 'Skins sign those big FA deals every year. But the kicker is that as soon as the player in question is no longer on the team (whether it be due to being released, traded, retirement, whatever), the rest of the pro-rated portion of the bonus is accelerated into the current year for salary cap purposes.

                                So, again applying the real world numbers as they relate to RW: were he to be released or traded this off-season, the remainder ($8.88M) of his pro-rated signing bonus would count against our cap this year. That's why you never see big name trades in the NFL - if they've gotten paid, they're not getting traded, because no team is going to be willing to take the cap hit.

                                so knowing this i hope you stop the lets trade roy rants because as you can see it will never happen. was it a mistake to resign him? maybe but its done so lets move on.
                                Actually Pocket Aces, Roy's signing bonus is not amortized in a straight line. THE ENTIRE CONTRACT IS.

                                So this year was 5MM (25/5) versus the cap with 585K being base and the rest 4.6MM in signing.

                                So, the unamoritzed portion of Roy's signing bonus is more like 6MM.

                                Gotta understand this first before saying what can (and can not) be done.

                                So .... unless my source is wrong .....

                                That is why the GMs make those contracts that way -- front load signing bonus into the first few years of the contract and more base into the back.

                                It makes cutting players easier while giving players the up front money they want.
                                ok i guess you know more than anybody else. im just giving what other people think are the facts. if i told you the sky was blue im sure you would have an argument for that too if it did not fit your needs.
                                Call the NFL. They will explain to you how this is done. I did it -- so can you.

                                ENTIRE CONTRACT is straight line amortized. Not just signing bonus then the salary.
                                ummm o.k. whatever, i just gave you a complete rundown of his contract and you disagree so....8.8 mill or 6 mill either way its not going to happen.
                                Whatever?

                                As I said before, it would be nice if you said. "Yup, you are right. I am wrong. That makes it easier. Even if I disagree on the ultimate premise of trading Roy." and leave it at that.

                                Instead, you blow off facts and sit tight on the same conclusion. Very stubborn.
                                right about what? im saying roy will not be traded you are wrong.
                                So will he or won't he be traded? Should he or should he not?
                                What is your position on Roy? Play Jerra.

                                I am saying I dunno if he will. I am saying he should. I am saying the contract is a problem but not insurmountable. I am saying Jerra needs to say all the nice things about Roy in order protect his value. I am saying we don't know Jerra or BP's opinions on Roy Williams.

                                Right about what you ask? Right about the cap hit for his signing bonus being lower than you propose. Instead you blew it off with "whatever" and saying I am a know it all.

                                Incidentlly, roster bonuses are handled differently for amortization and cap purposes. Signing + salary are straight line versus life of contract.

                                Funny.

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