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  • Parcells arrived in Dallas with a championship resume and a history of quickly rebuilding franchises. Jerry has given Parcells more control and authority than any coach since Johnson but has no banners or trophies to show for it.


    Parcells, whose teams have faded in December each of the past two seasons, sounded like a coach searching for answers after the Cowboys lost for the third time in four games. Dallas had not lost consecutive games all season.

    on parcells earlier this year.

    "His intelligence is off the charts, and that's shown in how he's managed this team and the people on this team," Jerry said. "He's managed all of the moving parts we've had and put us in position for the last month.

    we could do this all day. for you to think bill came here and not run the draft his first 2 years just shows your football ignorance. bill does not come here without control.




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    • Originally posted by cowboysforever
      Originally posted by pocketaces
      Originally posted by cowboysforever
      Originally posted by pocketaces
      Originally posted by cowboysforever
      Originally posted by pocketaces
      Originally posted by cowboysforever
      Originally posted by pocketaces
      cowboysforever found this info on roys contract and why he will not get traded.

      Quick salary cap tutorial: For cap purposes, signing bonuses are pro-rated over the life of a contract, even though they are actually paid all in one year. This year Roy signed a 5-year deal worth $25.2 million with an $11.1 million signing bonus. So, pro-rating that out, Roy's signing bonus gives a cap hit of $2.22 million a year ($11.1M divided by 5). According to the NFLPA website, Roy's base salary this year was $585K, which means that although he was actually paid $11,685,000 this season, for the purposes of the salary cap he only counted $2,805,000 (base salary of $585,000 + $2.22M pro-rated portion of signing bonus).

      Sounds great, right? Pay the player now, but don't use all your cap space. That's how the 'Skins sign those big FA deals every year. But the kicker is that as soon as the player in question is no longer on the team (whether it be due to being released, traded, retirement, whatever), the rest of the pro-rated portion of the bonus is accelerated into the current year for salary cap purposes.

      So, again applying the real world numbers as they relate to RW: were he to be released or traded this off-season, the remainder ($8.88M) of his pro-rated signing bonus would count against our cap this year. That's why you never see big name trades in the NFL - if they've gotten paid, they're not getting traded, because no team is going to be willing to take the cap hit.

      so knowing this i hope you stop the lets trade roy rants because as you can see it will never happen. was it a mistake to resign him? maybe but its done so lets move on.
      Actually Pocket Aces, Roy's signing bonus is not amortized in a straight line. THE ENTIRE CONTRACT IS.

      So this year was 5MM (25/5) versus the cap with 585K being base and the rest 4.6MM in signing.

      So, the unamoritzed portion of Roy's signing bonus is more like 6MM.

      Gotta understand this first before saying what can (and can not) be done.

      So .... unless my source is wrong .....

      That is why the GMs make those contracts that way -- front load signing bonus into the first few years of the contract and more base into the back.

      It makes cutting players easier while giving players the up front money they want.
      ok i guess you know more than anybody else. im just giving what other people think are the facts. if i told you the sky was blue im sure you would have an argument for that too if it did not fit your needs.
      Call the NFL. They will explain to you how this is done. I did it -- so can you.

      ENTIRE CONTRACT is straight line amortized. Not just signing bonus then the salary.
      ummm o.k. whatever, i just gave you a complete rundown of his contract and you disagree so....8.8 mill or 6 mill either way its not going to happen.
      Whatever?

      As I said before, it would be nice if you said. "Yup, you are right. I am wrong. That makes it easier. Even if I disagree on the ultimate premise of trading Roy." and leave it at that.

      Instead, you blow off facts and sit tight on the same conclusion. Very stubborn.
      right about what? im saying roy will not be traded you are wrong.
      So will he or won't he be traded? Should he or should he not?
      What is your position on Roy? Play Jerra.

      I am saying I dunno if he will. I am saying he should. I am saying the contract is a problem but not insurmountable. I am saying Jerra needs to say all the nice things about Roy in order protect his value. I am saying we don't know Jerra or BP's opinions on Roy Williams.

      Right about what you ask? Right about the cap hit for his signing bonus being lower than you propose. Instead you blew it off with "whatever" and saying I am a know it all.

      Funny.
      no i was saying whatever to calling the n.f.l. thats funny. and you are a "know it all" which is why some people on here have called you a troll, wanted you banned, dont respond to you anymore ect ect... and we do know what bill and jerry think of roy because they just resigned him foe 25 mill. sounds like they like him.




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      • Originally posted by pocketaces
        Parcells arrived in Dallas with a championship resume and a history of quickly rebuilding franchises. Jerry has given Parcells more control and authority than any coach since Johnson but has no banners or trophies to show for it.
        Since end of 04 season I agree.

        Originally posted by pocketaces
        Parcells, whose teams have faded in December each of the past two seasons, sounded like a coach searching for answers after the Cowboys lost for the third time in four games. Dallas had not lost consecutive games all season.
        And for this he does deserve to be bashed. As does the rest of the team and coaches.

        Originally posted by pocketaces
        we could do this all day. for you to think bill came here and not run the draft his first 2 years just shows your football ignorance. bill does not come here without control.
        You are ignorant. You ignore history and facts. BP haters tend to do this.

        To say BP had "control" when he came here is 100% WRONG and I can continue to prove it with facts.

        You (as a few othes) just make things up, do not research anything, fabricate facts and then insult people with facts and informed opinions.

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        • heres parcells first draft with the cowboys again showing you dont know what your talking about lmao.

          cowboysforever said d. Also remember, 2003 BP was over ruled on the Newman versus
          K Williams dialogue.

          in reality


          There was no battle for supremacy in the Cowboys' draft room Saturday. Coach Bill Parcells and owner Jerry Jones got along just fine.

          In his first draft with the Cowboys, Parcells would have preferred to trade down in the first round, stockpile picks and take a defensive tackle.

          Jones was in full agreement, but no team wanted to make a deal.

          So with the fifth pick of the NFL draft, the Cowboys grabbed Kansas State cornerback Terence Newman, the top-rated player on the draft board of at least 10 teams.

          In the second and third rounds, the Cowboys added Wisconsin center Al Johnson and Tennessee tight end Jason Witten.

          Parcells believes in strong offensive and defensive lines that can control games in the fourth quarter. A tight end has also been a key component of every team he's coached.

          His impact on the draft was easy to see.

          "Bill was very involved. He has tremendous respect from me, and I really do listen to his input," Jones said. "He influences the decisions that we make."

          now im sure in your world this is just spin but clearly these are the facts




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          • Originally posted by pocketaces
            Parcells arrived in Dallas with a championship resume and a history of quickly rebuilding franchises. Jerry has given Parcells more control and authority than any coach since Johnson but has no banners or trophies to show for it.


            Parcells, whose teams have faded in December each of the past two seasons, sounded like a coach searching for answers after the Cowboys lost for the third time in four games. Dallas had not lost consecutive games all season.

            on parcells earlier this year.

            "His intelligence is off the charts, and that's shown in how he's managed this team and the people on this team," Jerry said. "He's managed all of the moving parts we've had and put us in position for the last month.

            we could do this all day. for you to think bill came here and not run the draft his first 2 years just shows your football ignorance. bill does not come here without control.
            I agree. I don't think Parcells, at this stage in his coaching career, would go anywhere where he is not getting his players.


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            • oh theres still more

              Make no mistake, draft day was different with Parcells, who had more input in the Cowboys' draft than any coach since Jimmy Johnson left after the 1993 season.

              While the owner is still prone to occasional hyperbole, comparing some aspects of Newman's ability to that of Deion Sanders, Parcells simply said he hoped Newman would contribute at some point this season.

              Jones, who normally uses his personal jet to fly the top draft choice to Dallas for a news conference, said he wasn't doing it this year because it was expensive to fuel the jet for a trip to New York to pick up Newman. Actually, Parcells asked Jones not to do it this year.
              "I've never been part of bringing in a first-round draft choice immediately. I like to bring them all in together," Parcells said. "I don't care if they're drafted first or 300. None of that matters now."




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              • Originally posted by pocketaces
                Originally posted by cowboysforever
                Originally posted by pocketaces
                Originally posted by cowboysforever
                Originally posted by pocketaces
                Originally posted by cowboysforever
                Originally posted by pocketaces
                Originally posted by cowboysforever
                Originally posted by pocketaces
                cowboysforever found this info on roys contract and why he will not get traded.

                Quick salary cap tutorial: For cap purposes, signing bonuses are pro-rated over the life of a contract, even though they are actually paid all in one year. This year Roy signed a 5-year deal worth $25.2 million with an $11.1 million signing bonus. So, pro-rating that out, Roy's signing bonus gives a cap hit of $2.22 million a year ($11.1M divided by 5). According to the NFLPA website, Roy's base salary this year was $585K, which means that although he was actually paid $11,685,000 this season, for the purposes of the salary cap he only counted $2,805,000 (base salary of $585,000 + $2.22M pro-rated portion of signing bonus).

                Sounds great, right? Pay the player now, but don't use all your cap space. That's how the 'Skins sign those big FA deals every year. But the kicker is that as soon as the player in question is no longer on the team (whether it be due to being released, traded, retirement, whatever), the rest of the pro-rated portion of the bonus is accelerated into the current year for salary cap purposes.

                So, again applying the real world numbers as they relate to RW: were he to be released or traded this off-season, the remainder ($8.88M) of his pro-rated signing bonus would count against our cap this year. That's why you never see big name trades in the NFL - if they've gotten paid, they're not getting traded, because no team is going to be willing to take the cap hit.

                so knowing this i hope you stop the lets trade roy rants because as you can see it will never happen. was it a mistake to resign him? maybe but its done so lets move on.
                Actually Pocket Aces, Roy's signing bonus is not amortized in a straight line. THE ENTIRE CONTRACT IS.

                So this year was 5MM (25/5) versus the cap with 585K being base and the rest 4.6MM in signing.

                So, the unamoritzed portion of Roy's signing bonus is more like 6MM.

                Gotta understand this first before saying what can (and can not) be done.

                So .... unless my source is wrong .....

                That is why the GMs make those contracts that way -- front load signing bonus into the first few years of the contract and more base into the back.

                It makes cutting players easier while giving players the up front money they want.
                ok i guess you know more than anybody else. im just giving what other people think are the facts. if i told you the sky was blue im sure you would have an argument for that too if it did not fit your needs.
                Call the NFL. They will explain to you how this is done. I did it -- so can you.

                ENTIRE CONTRACT is straight line amortized. Not just signing bonus then the salary.
                ummm o.k. whatever, i just gave you a complete rundown of his contract and you disagree so....8.8 mill or 6 mill either way its not going to happen.
                Whatever?

                As I said before, it would be nice if you said. "Yup, you are right. I am wrong. That makes it easier. Even if I disagree on the ultimate premise of trading Roy." and leave it at that.

                Instead, you blow off facts and sit tight on the same conclusion. Very stubborn.
                right about what? im saying roy will not be traded you are wrong.
                So will he or won't he be traded? Should he or should he not?
                What is your position on Roy? Play Jerra.

                I am saying I dunno if he will. I am saying he should. I am saying the contract is a problem but not insurmountable. I am saying Jerra needs to say all the nice things about Roy in order protect his value. I am saying we don't know Jerra or BP's opinions on Roy Williams.

                Right about what you ask? Right about the cap hit for his signing bonus being lower than you propose. Instead you blew it off with "whatever" and saying I am a know it all.

                Funny.
                no i was saying whatever to calling the n.f.l. thats funny. and you are a "know it all" which is why some people on here have called you a troll, wanted you banned, dont respond to you anymore ect ect... and we do know what bill and jerry think of roy because they just resigned him foe 25 mill. sounds like they like him.
                The fact folks here claiming to ignore my posts says more of them than me. I will let my posting history speak for itself and calibrate my opnions based onfacts. Not feelings.

                So you think we really understand what Jerra and BP think of Roy? After this season and its results (40% of TDs to TE and FB), I would not be so arrogant to repeat that by sourcing a contract signed in August that needed to be "better" than Adam Archuleta's. Remeber Archuleta, the bench guy in DC.

                But you, certainly, are arrogant and a "know it all" as you say. You have no facts or analysis. Just data sparingly used to support the status quo opinions you read in the paper daily.

                Again, funny. Luckily I get perverse enjoyment in dealing with folks like you.

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                • Originally posted by pocketaces
                  "Bill was very involved. He has tremendous respect from me, and I really do listen to his input," Jones said. "He influences the decisions that we make."
                  Nice. Thanks for proving my point with a Jerry Jones quote. You are a fool.

                  BTW, BP was ready to take K Williams at 5 that year.

                  BP also got ZERO ZERO ZERO ZERO ZERO players for his 3-4.

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                  • heres bill 2nd draft
                    Although the Cowboys didn't select one of the draft's top three runners – Oregon State's Steven Jackson, Virginia Tech's Kevin Jones or Michigan's Chris Perry – they did acquire a player who intrigued coach Bill Parcells.


                    The Cowboys picked Jones, in part, because Buffalo gave them an offer that was too good to refuse.

                    About 90 minutes before the Cowboys were supposed to make their first-round pick, Buffalo president/GM Tom Donahoe phoned the Cowboys and talked about giving Dallas its first-round pick next year in exchange for the 22nd pick Saturday.

                    Eventually, Donahoe offered Dallas second- and fifth-round picks in this draft and the first-round pick in 2005.

                    After making the deal, Jerry Jones and Parcells each smiled broadly as they stepped out of the draft room to munch on brisket, sausage and fajitas.

                    Parcells said there's no guarantee a running back will succeed in the NFL no matter where he's drafted, making it easier to pass on Jackson and Kevin Jones.

                    "In my experience, the running back position in the early picks has one of the highest rates of failure," Parcells said. "The best running back I ever coached [Curtis Martin] is a player we got in the third round."

                    The Cowboys liked Jackson and Kevin Jones, but didn't think either player was substantially better than Julius Jones.

                    now, keep spitting out what you think while i show you the facts.




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                    • Originally posted by Poet3334
                      Originally posted by pocketaces
                      Parcells arrived in Dallas with a championship resume and a history of quickly rebuilding franchises. Jerry has given Parcells more control and authority than any coach since Johnson but has no banners or trophies to show for it.


                      Parcells, whose teams have faded in December each of the past two seasons, sounded like a coach searching for answers after the Cowboys lost for the third time in four games. Dallas had not lost consecutive games all season.

                      on parcells earlier this year.

                      "His intelligence is off the charts, and that's shown in how he's managed this team and the people on this team," Jerry said. "He's managed all of the moving parts we've had and put us in position for the last month.

                      we could do this all day. for you to think bill came here and not run the draft his first 2 years just shows your football ignorance. bill does not come here without control.
                      I agree. I don't think Parcells, at this stage in his coaching career, would go anywhere where he is not getting his players.
                      Not now but in 2003 he took it for the money as ALL BP HATERS like to remind us every chance they take.

                      Today, after re-stocking the bank account would he bow to an idiot GM like Jerra? No. He either gets what he wants or quits.

                      But 2007 is not the same as 2003.

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                      • Originally posted by cowboysforever
                        Originally posted by pocketaces
                        "Bill was very involved. He has tremendous respect from me, and I really do listen to his input," Jones said. "He influences the decisions that we make."
                        Nice. Thanks for proving my point with a Jerry Jones quote. You are a fool.

                        BTW, BP was ready to take K Williams at 5 that year.

                        BP also got ZERO ZERO ZERO ZERO ZERO players for his 3-4.
                        thats because we wernt running a 3-4. i dont know why you dont get that. we had the #1 ranked defense running a 4-3 so why try to change that. and be careful with your name calling that can get you banned. hate to see that.




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                        • Originally posted by pocketaces
                          heres bill 2nd draft
                          Although the Cowboys didn't select one of the draft's top three runners – Oregon State's Steven Jackson, Virginia Tech's Kevin Jones or Michigan's Chris Perry – they did acquire a player who intrigued coach Bill Parcells.


                          The Cowboys picked Jones, in part, because Buffalo gave them an offer that was too good to refuse.

                          About 90 minutes before the Cowboys were supposed to make their first-round pick, Buffalo president/GM Tom Donahoe phoned the Cowboys and talked about giving Dallas its first-round pick next year in exchange for the 22nd pick Saturday.

                          Eventually, Donahoe offered Dallas second- and fifth-round picks in this draft and the first-round pick in 2005.

                          After making the deal, Jerry Jones and Parcells each smiled broadly as they stepped out of the draft room to munch on brisket, sausage and fajitas.

                          Parcells said there's no guarantee a running back will succeed in the NFL no matter where he's drafted, making it easier to pass on Jackson and Kevin Jones.

                          "In my experience, the running back position in the early picks has one of the highest rates of failure," Parcells said. "The best running back I ever coached [Curtis Martin] is a player we got in the third round."

                          The Cowboys liked Jackson and Kevin Jones, but didn't think either player was substantially better than Julius Jones.

                          now, keep spitting out what you think while i show you the facts.
                          Is that why Larry Lacewell was the first guy BP fired in 2005?

                          BP was not the decision maker in those drafts. It was Jerra and his boys.

                          Not one of the things your posts support your point that BP was the mastermind.

                          BP was along for the ride doing his job -- just like a Secretary does for her boss.

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                          • Originally posted by pocketaces
                            Parcells arrived in Dallas with a championship resume and a history of quickly rebuilding franchises. Jerry has given Parcells more control and authority than any coach since Johnson but has no banners or trophies to show for it.


                            Parcells, whose teams have faded in December each of the past two seasons, sounded like a coach searching for answers after the Cowboys lost for the third time in four games. Dallas had not lost consecutive games all season.

                            on parcells earlier this year.

                            "His intelligence is off the charts, and that's shown in how he's managed this team and the people on this team," Jerry said. "He's managed all of the moving parts we've had and put us in position for the last month.

                            we could do this all day. for you to think bill came here and not run the draft his first 2 years just shows your football ignorance. bill does not come here without control.
                            Name calling ban?

                            You are the first in line.

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                            • Originally posted by cowboysforever
                              Originally posted by pocketaces
                              Originally posted by cowboysforever
                              Originally posted by pocketaces
                              Originally posted by cowboysforever
                              Originally posted by pocketaces
                              Originally posted by cowboysforever
                              Originally posted by pocketaces
                              Originally posted by cowboysforever
                              Originally posted by pocketaces
                              cowboysforever found this info on roys contract and why he will not get traded.

                              Quick salary cap tutorial: For cap purposes, signing bonuses are pro-rated over the life of a contract, even though they are actually paid all in one year. This year Roy signed a 5-year deal worth $25.2 million with an $11.1 million signing bonus. So, pro-rating that out, Roy's signing bonus gives a cap hit of $2.22 million a year ($11.1M divided by 5). According to the NFLPA website, Roy's base salary this year was $585K, which means that although he was actually paid $11,685,000 this season, for the purposes of the salary cap he only counted $2,805,000 (base salary of $585,000 + $2.22M pro-rated portion of signing bonus).

                              Sounds great, right? Pay the player now, but don't use all your cap space. That's how the 'Skins sign those big FA deals every year. But the kicker is that as soon as the player in question is no longer on the team (whether it be due to being released, traded, retirement, whatever), the rest of the pro-rated portion of the bonus is accelerated into the current year for salary cap purposes.

                              So, again applying the real world numbers as they relate to RW: were he to be released or traded this off-season, the remainder ($8.88M) of his pro-rated signing bonus would count against our cap this year. That's why you never see big name trades in the NFL - if they've gotten paid, they're not getting traded, because no team is going to be willing to take the cap hit.

                              so knowing this i hope you stop the lets trade roy rants because as you can see it will never happen. was it a mistake to resign him? maybe but its done so lets move on.
                              Actually Pocket Aces, Roy's signing bonus is not amortized in a straight line. THE ENTIRE CONTRACT IS.

                              So this year was 5MM (25/5) versus the cap with 585K being base and the rest 4.6MM in signing.

                              So, the unamoritzed portion of Roy's signing bonus is more like 6MM.

                              Gotta understand this first before saying what can (and can not) be done.

                              So .... unless my source is wrong .....

                              That is why the GMs make those contracts that way -- front load signing bonus into the first few years of the contract and more base into the back.

                              It makes cutting players easier while giving players the up front money they want.
                              ok i guess you know more than anybody else. im just giving what other people think are the facts. if i told you the sky was blue im sure you would have an argument for that too if it did not fit your needs.
                              Call the NFL. They will explain to you how this is done. I did it -- so can you.

                              ENTIRE CONTRACT is straight line amortized. Not just signing bonus then the salary.
                              ummm o.k. whatever, i just gave you a complete rundown of his contract and you disagree so....8.8 mill or 6 mill either way its not going to happen.
                              Whatever?

                              As I said before, it would be nice if you said. "Yup, you are right. I am wrong. That makes it easier. Even if I disagree on the ultimate premise of trading Roy." and leave it at that.

                              Instead, you blow off facts and sit tight on the same conclusion. Very stubborn.
                              right about what? im saying roy will not be traded you are wrong.
                              So will he or won't he be traded? Should he or should he not?
                              What is your position on Roy? Play Jerra.

                              I am saying I dunno if he will. I am saying he should. I am saying the contract is a problem but not insurmountable. I am saying Jerra needs to say all the nice things about Roy in order protect his value. I am saying we don't know Jerra or BP's opinions on Roy Williams.

                              Right about what you ask? Right about the cap hit for his signing bonus being lower than you propose. Instead you blew it off with "whatever" and saying I am a know it all.

                              Funny.
                              no i was saying whatever to calling the n.f.l. thats funny. and you are a "know it all" which is why some people on here have called you a troll, wanted you banned, dont respond to you anymore ect ect... and we do know what bill and jerry think of roy because they just resigned him foe 25 mill. sounds like they like him.
                              The fact folks here claiming to ignore my posts says more of them than me. I will let my posting history speak for itself and calibrate my opnions based onfacts. Not feelings.

                              So you think we really understand what Jerra and BP think of Roy? After this season and its results (40% of TDs to TE and FB), I would not be so arrogant to repeat that by sourcing a contract signed in August that needed to be "better" than Adam Archuleta's. Remeber Archuleta, the bench guy in DC.

                              But you, certainly, are arrogant and a "know it all" as you say. You have no facts or analysis. Just data sparingly used to support the status quo opinions you read in the paper daily.

                              Again, funny. Luckily I get perverse enjoyment in dealing with folks like you.
                              Cowboysforever, I agree with some of your opinions. I think the issue here is that in stating them, you come across as an egotist. I'm not name -calling, it's just the vibe I get in reading your posts. I happen to think you're very thorough in the information that you present, whether I agree with it completely or not.


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                              Albert Camus

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                              • Originally posted by cowboysforever
                                Originally posted by pocketaces
                                Parcells arrived in Dallas with a championship resume and a history of quickly rebuilding franchises. Jerry has given Parcells more control and authority than any coach since Johnson but has no banners or trophies to show for it.


                                Parcells, whose teams have faded in December each of the past two seasons, sounded like a coach searching for answers after the Cowboys lost for the third time in four games. Dallas had not lost consecutive games all season.

                                on parcells earlier this year.

                                "His intelligence is off the charts, and that's shown in how he's managed this team and the people on this team," Jerry said. "He's managed all of the moving parts we've had and put us in position for the last month.

                                we could do this all day. for you to think bill came here and not run the draft his first 2 years just shows your football ignorance. bill does not come here without control.
                                Name calling ban?

                                You are the first in line.
                                football ignorance is not name calling. calling some one a fool is. if you cant see bill ran these drafts with the quotes ive giving by bill then you just dont want to admit your wrong. but its ok everybody else here knows you are.




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