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  • Originally posted by Jdallas
    So do most people here still think that we'll draft a kicker before the 6th round this year?

    Gramatica came in and played pretty well this season and said he wants to come back. We also have that arena league guy singed to a futures contract so we have 2 kickers for training camp. I would be happy with Gramatica as our kicker next year. Jerry even said that he learned his lesson about not giving much up for a kicker. I would be shocked if we drafted a kicker before the 6th round and would even be surprised if we got one then or later. Is a rookie kicker going to do better than Gramatica? Look at the success rate for rookie kickers and tell me you want to go through that.
    I didn't think Gramatica was all that bad. Better than Vanderjagt and Cundiff but not as good as if we had got Vinatieri.

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    • Originally posted by Gribble
      That would be awesome if we could get Donnie Edwards. Class player and leader in the 3-4.
      I like it as well. He's not that strong against the run in my opinion, but his other strengths more than make up for that.


      "You know what charm is: a way of getting the answer yes without having asked any clear question."
      Albert Camus

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      • Originally posted by Poet3334
        Originally posted by Gribble
        That would be awesome if we could get Donnie Edwards. Class player and leader in the 3-4.
        I like it as well. He's not that strong against the run in my opinion, but his other strengths more than make up for that.
        And how old is he?


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        I thought we were trying to step away from age?

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        • 1st Round: DE/OLB Jarvis Moss, Florida

          Why stop at Bobby Carpenter with our Linebackers? Get another one and complete the LB Core. Ware on one edge and Moss on the other its hard not to believe that we would have a MUCH improved pass rush for years to come. I love the sound of Ware - Carp - Moss... I think most of us here see Carp moving to the middle eventually. Moss is quite possibly the best 3-4 OLB in the draft...

          2nd Round: OG Ben Grubbs, Auburn

          An awesome run blocker that we need, and hes young obviously. I think it would be much wiser to draft a OG than signing one through free agency. Grubbs has fantastic potential.

          3rd Round: WR Paul Williams, Fresno St.

          Has everything you look for in a Wide Receiver. He would replace Owens and Glenn a few years down the road from now which would be great. He could also step in and have a solid impact in his rookie year, complimenting Crayton, Owens, And Glenn...

          4th Round: QB Kevin Kolb, Houston

          I think its important to have a good backup QB plus I feel there are still some question marks surrounding Romo. Kolb could eventually become a fantastic starting QB in the NFL.

          5th Round: FS Dashon Goldson, Washington

          Huge sleeper pick here. This kid is loaded with skill though. Can play both Free Safety and Cornerback. Not the fastest player but he plays smart and excels in man coverage. Must become a better wrap up tackler though. Low Risk/High Reward pick...

          6th Round: RB Clifton Dawson, Harvard

          Dawson has a great mix of power and speed. Not alot a people have heard of him but hes a hidden gem. May get drafted much earlier, 5th or possibly 4th round...

          7th Round: NT Antonio Johnson, Mississippi St.

          Typical 3-4 Nose tackle that can plug holes, also can overpower O lineman. However hes a little inconsistant, Much better prospect than Montavious Stanley was when he came out.


          What you guys think of that draft?
          Whats up buttercup!

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          • is jarvis moss polished enough to make a difference as a rookie?

            as far as edwards, he'd be a nice pickup, but wrong spot. carpenter could just as easily replace james.

            cowboys need a pass rush DE or OLB opposite ware. having better interior defense won't help that much.

            he can cover guys, but not for the length of time necessary with a poor pass rush.

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            • All this talk about another OLB obviously hinges on Ellis' recovery...anyone heard anything?

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              • We don't need another LB to rush the passer.. The problem is the d-line. We have Ellis and Carpenter (who was a beast against Seattle)..
                Moving Carpenter inside will be a mistake, imo. We've already made a mistake moving him around and forcing him not to have a truly position.. It affected is transition to the pro.. When he started playing outside he developed into a good player.. He will be a huge part of our defense, give him this offeason a you'll see..

                If we want more pressure we need pushing from the d-line. If Spears, Canty, Hatcher etc can't step up we can draft someone like Alama-Francis. But we don't need another OLB... We lack a dominant NT, and we lack pressure from our DE. If Canty can play as he did late in the season we'll solve a part of the problem.. A lot dependes on how Spears and Hatcher will play next season..


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                • Originally posted by Modano
                  We don't need another LB to rush the passer.. The problem is the d-line. We have Ellis and Carpenter (who was a beast against Seattle)..
                  Moving Carpenter inside will be a mistake, imo. We've already made a mistake moving him around and forcing him not to have a truly position.. It affected is transition to the pro.. When he started playing outside he developed into a good player.. He will be a huge part of our defense, give him this offeason a you'll see..

                  If we want more pressure we need pushing from the d-line. If Spears, Canty, Hatcher etc can't step up we can draft someone like Alama-Francis. But we don't need another OLB... We lack a dominant NT, and we lack pressure from our DE. If Canty can play as he did late in the season we'll solve a part of the problem.. A lot dependes on how Spears and Hatcher will play next season..
                  You never can have enough pass rushing OLB's in the 3-4 defense. Look at what happened to us this year when Ellis went down with an injury. Carpenter only came into his own the last 2 games, which while it was great, it was too late.

                  While i say this about OLB's, I still wouldn't select one in the first few rounds though. You are correct that we need to address our DE problem we currently have.

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                  • I still favor going CB / WR with the first pick in the draft.

                    As for whether anyone you draft with the first round will make an immediate impact, most likely not. Most teams that are in the playoffs at the end of the year do not (unless by the case of losing a FA or by injury) have a rookie that steps in from day one and starts. That's the benefit of having a very good team.

                    The only positions that would make an immediate impact would be pass rushing specialists, or RB.

                    I do not expect us to draft a RB in the first round (although, if the right guy fell, I certainly wouldn't be upset) and I don't think a true pass rushing specialist would necessarily fall to us where we pick.

                    You have to look at what a player CAN BECOME not what they are on day one. Take Bobby Carpenter for instance. His last game against the Seahawks was by far his best game. In fact, that game bordered on Dominant. I hope he continues that next year. I hoped he'd be more like that earlier in the year, but he developed slower than that. Ultimately, he played his best when it mattered.

                    I think CB or WR are positions that we are the thinnest at, with no apparent replacement. LT - at least McQuistan is supposed to have the skills to replace Adams. Who do we have in training if Newman goes down? What about if TO is gone and Glenn goes down? I don't think we have anyone that you can absolutely say is the heir apparent. Hurd looked ok at times, and Austin definitely has the size / speed ratios you want.

                    I want speed, speed, speed, in the first round. Maybe even in round 2. I want size in round 3-5 and BPA in the last two.

                    If we draft a Kicker I will banish myself from this board voluntarily. I'm telling you it will NEVER happen. I mean NEVER happen.

                    Also, my semi-sleeper / mid round pick that I like the most right now is Wright, the RB out of Fresno State. He will be a very good back in the NFL.

                    Most overrated player in the draft.....Jamarcus Russell. He will make bonehead decisions for his whole playing career and whatever team drafts him will learn it eventually.

                    Designs by Thule



                    Originally posted by DMWSackMachine
                    I just wanna warn you guys not to take TNew41 too seriously. He's....let's just say, special. He's fairly harmless, though. He just needs several years of seasoning before he tries to make any more points, is all.

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                    • Originally posted by JJJ888
                      All this talk about another OLB obviously hinges on Ellis' recovery...anyone heard anything?
                      About a week ago I remember reading that his recovery was on schedule. It's impossible to tell at this time how well he'll be recovered when training camp comes around, but no setbacks is a good sign at this point.

                      Desings by D-Unit

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                      • Originally posted by DaRkNiGht08
                        Originally posted by Poet3334
                        Originally posted by Gribble
                        That would be awesome if we could get Donnie Edwards. Class player and leader in the 3-4.
                        I like it as well. He's not that strong against the run in my opinion, but his other strengths more than make up for that.
                        And how old is he?


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                        I thought we were trying to step away from age?
                        Yeah but this is not a move that is permanent. This is a guy that knows the 3-4 intimately. He's a fiery leader, something we desperately need, and he can still play. If it's a cheap deal, I'm all for it.


                        "You know what charm is: a way of getting the answer yes without having asked any clear question."
                        Albert Camus

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                        • Originally posted by leroyisgod
                          Originally posted by Modano
                          We don't need another LB to rush the passer.. The problem is the d-line. We have Ellis and Carpenter (who was a beast against Seattle)..
                          Moving Carpenter inside will be a mistake, imo. We've already made a mistake moving him around and forcing him not to have a truly position.. It affected is transition to the pro.. When he started playing outside he developed into a good player.. He will be a huge part of our defense, give him this offeason a you'll see..

                          If we want more pressure we need pushing from the d-line. If Spears, Canty, Hatcher etc can't step up we can draft someone like Alama-Francis. But we don't need another OLB... We lack a dominant NT, and we lack pressure from our DE. If Canty can play as he did late in the season we'll solve a part of the problem.. A lot dependes on how Spears and Hatcher will play next season..
                          You never can have enough pass rushing OLB's in the 3-4 defense. Look at what happened to us this year when Ellis went down with an injury. Carpenter only came into his own the last 2 games, which while it was great, it was too late.

                          While i say this about OLB's, I still wouldn't select one in the first few rounds though. You are correct that we need to address our DE problem we currently have.
                          I totally agree.


                          "You know what charm is: a way of getting the answer yes without having asked any clear question."
                          Albert Camus

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                          • Originally posted by DMWSackMachine
                            Originally posted by bigbluedefense
                            Heres some food for thought. Donnie Edwards is gonna be available. Now, the one thing that is missing from the front 7 is a dominant guy who can go sideline to sideline and excell in pass coverage in the middle right?

                            So Donnie Edwards is perfect. He's the perfect compliment inside to James. He can drop in coverage and has the speed to chase rbs out of the backfield. That would allow James to do what he does best, which is hammer the RB in the run game. Plus, he provides veteran leadership, something this defense needs more of. Plus he could be a great teacher to Carp if Carp eventually moves inside.

                            It makes sense to me. It would be a cheap signing too. What do you guys think?
                            At this point, I would think it is VERY unlikely. In fact, Bradie would actually be more likely to be benched for him, and that isn't happening. Ayodele was very good for us, and he actually does pretty well in coverage, too.

                            No, the only way that we bring anyone in at ILB is if we decide to give up on one of our two guys there, which is not a situation that is in the cards.

                            That said, if we could get him in and he was willing to ride the pine for a very modest contract.....ok, I can buy that. But that is even more unlikely than us benching James or Ayodele. I wouldn't mind having a guy with his talents around for our nickel package, though.


                            But, I want to sound off on SD here for a sec. Is everyone going to freak their gords now that they lost? Are people going to cry in the streets for them to clean house and start over? That team choked in a much more epic sense than our beloved 'Boys did. It was blatantly obvious who the best team on that field was, and they threw it away by committing more turnovers in ONE GAME than they did over a 7 game stretch during the season. And these weren't forced turnovers either. These were idiotic, stupid, bonehead plays that no playoff caliber team makes. Just absolutely mind boggling the way that they fell apart. And where was Lights Out? Didn't see him make one meaningful play all game. I guess it's a lot harder to get to the QB when you have offensive lineman blocking you as opposed to RBs and TEs, huh?

                            I simply can't believe the way they gave up that game. All I can think of is Parcells' favorite saying : "Dumb players do dumb things". They looked like a bunch of dumb players out there to me.
                            i know i will get roasted for this but imo the talent difference between s.d. and n.e. was no greater than the talent difference between the boys and seattle. and as far as bonehead plays a playoff caliber team doesnt make do i dare say romo, glenn. we gave that game away and watching the seattle/chicago game makes it that much more frustrating. we could/should be playing n.o. this weekend. oh well....btw the talk is martys going to get fired.




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                            • I wholeheartedly agree with LSUAlum on Russell. He's so overrated.

                              The man threw into double and triple coverage his whole career. Everyone just goes "wow, look at that arm!". I like to say, "woah, look at that decision". He will be a disappointment in the NFL, and I'll laugh if Oakland takes him over Quinn.

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                              • I am all up for Speed in first two rounds.

                                We need game breakers.

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