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  • Originally posted by CTCowboysFan
    I need the answer to one question before I can present you guys with an idea.

    Which linebacker would be easier to get rid of, Akin Ayodele or Bradie James? And the answer can't be "neither"
    Ayodele got a 5 year 17million dollar deal with 5m up front (iirc). Bradie got substantially more than that, and quite a bit more guaranteed as well. So Bradie would be the harder to get rid of from a cap standpoint. Also, he makes the calls for the defense, and has started to mature into a leadership role as well, so I would have to say that Ayodele would be easier to get rid of, though I from a pure production standpoint this season, I think Ayodele was probably a bit better.

    So, in conclusion, I would say neither.
    Originally posted by 21ST
    He was protecting his self
    Originally posted by tjsunstein
    From what? His leg?
    Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
    That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
    "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

    DeMarcus Ware

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    • Originally posted by DaRkNiGht08
      Look out for a NEW OC Dan Henning. He got cut from Carolina and has a past with Parcells.
      BTW, another guy with a Parcells history is Maurice Carthon. Name to look for as an assistant/RB coach.

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      • Originally posted by LSUALUM99
        Originally posted by cowboysforever

        May I. .... Thanks for the well thought out response. I will try my best and you can judge how idiotic I am or unreasonable.

        I proposed Roy Williams and Burnett for Shaun Rogers as an idea. The proposition is based on the Marinelli scheme, their needs for LB and that Roges is not liked by Marinelli. Also, we could really help the rest of the D with a more dominant DT. On the Rogers contract. Rogers is 8MM per year. Roy 5MM + Burnett XXMM. I think Burnett would likely slot in ok from a contract perspective.

        Does this mean go out right now and proclaim it done. No. Everything needs work. All good ideas need work.

        I propose benching or cutting Roy if if if a) he can't be traded or b) he does not reshape his body and mind to play the position of SS. Does this mean he is a goner by March. I dunno. I think there is some smoke to the fire called "Roy Sucks." I think Mickey Spagnola lit is officially with the help of Matt Mosley in Dallas. Where is goes I dunno either. I am sure the BP and DC conversation precedes the personnel discussion.

        I disagree that Roy is a top 16 SS. I think the Spagnola article says it all. I know that 40% of our TDs went to the TE and FB when league averge is 20%. I know that our D's TD/WR per game is about league average. I know this means that while the rush can be better the weakness is how we cover TE and FB/TB.

        I did not see a dominant D because I never saw a dominant pass rush. I saw a good D which played on great game versus Indy.

        I did not see a good OL. I saw an OL that struggled pass blocking which was masked by a Houdini QB. I saw too many OG in the back field laying on their back. I saw an OL that on occassion had good games. I saw an OL that was short changed somewhat by the adequate RB situation and, early on, by an immobile QB.

        So, I think I hit them all. I hope this meets someone's approval.
        See this is where I disagree with your argument. You want to quote statistics and facts, yet when I point out the facts that the OL performed well in all categories, you say 'well I saw'. I'm using facts to support an opinion and you are dismissing facts because they do not support your opinion.

        To me that shows you have made up your opinion and have disregarded any facts that do not help your cause. That is a classic example of poor debating skills.

        Also, you then go on to say that Roy Williams is not a top 16 safety. Ok, while I may disagree with this, let's assume it's true. If it is true that Roy Williams is not a top 16 safety, and Kevin Burnett is a role playing LB at best, why on earth would Detroit trade a dominant DT for that? Not only is Roy a worse than average S, he's one of the top paid S in the NFL. How is this even remotely a good trade for Detroit? You then go on to say it's based on Marinelli's style. Correct me if I'm wrong, but since it's called the "Tampa 2" style of Cover 2, exactly how does that play to Roy Williams' strenghths? If anything, it plays to his WEAKNESS more than any other scheme because it puts him in coverage almost exclusively.

        This is exactly the type of reasoning that I question in your posts. You make a statement like "Roy Williams is a below average S" and at the same time expect trading him would bring a dominant DT based on his salary. How can you rant about how bad he is and expect to trade him for any value? It's purely Madden-esque logic. And that Madden-esque logic doesn't work in the NFL.
        OK Cool. Again, the Madden reference is out of line but lemme go ahead and address ....

        The OL struggled versus better Defenses and if you wish to use stats to make a point then also point out the following. Yes, they where a 5/6 O in the league but mostly a result of the passing game and Romo's legs. How many times did we hear how great Romo ws getting out of the pocket to find yards in the passing game.

        But let me provide stats to show we have a below average OL .......

        #15 in the league in Yards / Attempt
        #15 in the league in 20+ runs
        #20 in sacks (with a mobile QB)
        #27 in Penalties (mostly the OL)

        Not exactly a top tier line. But maybe we are discussing shades of difference.

        On Roy and Burnett to Detroit. First I was told cap, now that I am showing numbers I am told forget Cap let us talk talent. Fine, let us speak talent.

        1) I think Burnett is a starter in a 4-3. I think he is very talented. I never called him anything other. Your are attributing "role playing LB" comment to me but I never said it or implied it. I really dislike that form of dialogue and speaks poorly to the counter party. But to be clear, I strongly think Burnett is a 4-3 SOLB starter. I think he is a perfect Marinelli guy.

        2) Roy is not a SS in the Tampa 2. Roy is a 4-3 WOLB. I said he has talent. I said he is not a SS. Disagree but I do think Roy W is an excellent talent for 4-3 WOLB.

        3) Rogers is not liked by Marinelli so getting some value is great for Marinelli. Getting a starting LB corp of Burnett, Sims and Roy Williams is very interesting if you ask me. Call it Madden if you like but giving up a DT you don't want for a starting LB corp is not a bad exchange

        4) Detroit is back logged in young DT talent.

        Last one: You said "How can you rant about how bad he is and expect to trade him for any value?"

        It matters not how much I think the stock price is worth but how much the market does and how much they will pay me for it. Ditto on football players number 1. And I can use the same arguement versus you.... Why would the Detroit Lions not trade for a PRO BOWL SS.

        So....... would love to hear back.

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        • Okay thank you fellas. Anyways I'll get on with my idea.

          This is extreme and normally I'd dismiss this if I saw somebody else with the idea but this is my own creativity not what the Cowboys WILL do, or what I think they'll do.

          We all know the struggles of the Cowboys coverage. We all know the Cowboys struggles in the pass rush department.

          Roy Williams is a great player no one can deny that. The problem is he is being forced to cover and he cannot, as we have seen time and time again.

          I for one am tired of all the mismatches, and anytime we play teams with running backs who can catch out of the backfield there will always be a mismatch in the opposing teams favor.

          I say scrap the 3-4, and while we are at it scrap Bill Parcells. It’s bold but this team needs to move on. Bill is stuck in the 1800’s. His crap doesn’t work anymore. He’s a good coach, a great one in fact. He is one of the best at teaching players life lessons along with football ones, but it’s time to move on. He is holding this team back and this defense has too much talent to go to waste.

          Anyways the main reason for this post is the defense so let me get right to it.

          Patrick Watkins remains the starting free safety. Anthony Henry and Terence Newman remain the starting cornerbacks.

          ROY WILLIAMS moves to strong-side linebacker. Don’t give me the crap that he isn’t big enough, he can take on any running back or tight end in the league, and he could do the job very well in my opinion.

          Draft Reggie Nelson or LaRon Landry which ever is available at our pick and start them at strong safety.

          Bradie James will continue to start at middle linebacker. Trade Ayodele for whatever he is worth. Ayodele played well and it’s sad to get rid of him but this is for the best of the Dallas Cowboys.

          Bobby Carpenter moves to weak-side linebacker. I like what I saw of him and he has the versatility to play inside or outside though he is a better outside linebacker so that’s where we will start him at.

          Move DeMarcus Ware to right defensive end; maybe have him add some more bulk but overall I think he would do pretty good and he would be playing his natural position.

          Jason Hatcher and Jason Ferguson will play to two defensive tackle spots.

          Play Chris Canty or Marcus Spears at the left defensive end spot, which ever proved to be better in camp, the other could eventually move inside when Ferg got too old.

          So in conclusion the Dallas Cowboys defensive lineup would consist of……


          FS SS
          Watkins Landry


          RCB LCB
          Henry Newman


          ROLB MLB LOLB
          Carpenter James R. Williams


          RDE RDT LDT LDE
          Ware Hatcher Ferguson Canty


          Thoughts???
          "Red Ball"

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          • Originally posted by CTCowboysFan
            Okay thank you fellas. Anyways I'll get on with my idea.

            This is extreme and normally I'd dismiss this if I saw somebody else with the idea but this is my own creativity not what the Cowboys WILL do, or what I think they'll do.

            We all know the struggles of the Cowboys coverage. We all know the Cowboys struggles in the pass rush department.

            Roy Williams is a great player no one can deny that. The problem is he is being forced to cover and he cannot, as we have seen time and time again.

            I for one am tired of all the mismatches, and anytime we play teams with running backs who can catch out of the backfield there will always be a mismatch in the opposing teams favor.

            I say scrap the 3-4, and while we are at it scrap Bill Parcells. It’s bold but this team needs to move on. Bill is stuck in the 1800’s. His crap doesn’t work anymore. He’s a good coach, a great one in fact. He is one of the best at teaching players life lessons along with football ones, but it’s time to move on. He is holding this team back and this defense has too much talent to go to waste.

            Anyways the main reason for this post is the defense so let me get right to it.

            Patrick Watkins remains the starting free safety. Anthony Henry and Terence Newman remain the starting cornerbacks.

            ROY WILLIAMS moves to strong-side linebacker. Don’t give me the crap that he isn’t big enough, he can take on any running back or tight end in the league, and he could do the job very well in my opinion.

            Draft Reggie Nelson or LaRon Landry which ever is available at our pick and start them at strong safety.

            Bradie James will continue to start at middle linebacker. Trade Ayodele for whatever he is worth. Ayodele played well and it’s sad to get rid of him but this is for the best of the Dallas Cowboys.

            Bobby Carpenter moves to weak-side linebacker. I like what I saw of him and he has the versatility to play inside or outside though he is a better outside linebacker so that’s where we will start him at.

            Move DeMarcus Ware to right defensive end; maybe have him add some more bulk but overall I think he would do pretty good and he would be playing his natural position.

            Jason Hatcher and Jason Ferguson will play to two defensive tackle spots.

            Play Chris Canty or Marcus Spears at the left defensive end spot, which ever proved to be better in camp, the other could eventually move inside when Ferg got too old.

            So in conclusion the Dallas Cowboys defensive lineup would consist of……


            FS SS
            Watkins Landry


            RCB LCB
            Henry Newman


            ROLB MLB LOLB
            Carpenter James R. Williams


            RDE RDT LDT LDE
            Ware Hatcher Ferguson Canty


            Thoughts???
            I think this nutty but why not. This is what a blog if for.

            And no, this is not Madden-esque. It is fun on a blog.

            Thank god the damn is breaking on the thought police.

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            • Originally posted by cowboysforever
              Originally posted by LSUALUM99
              Originally posted by cowboysforever
              Originally posted by DMWSackMachine
              Wow, dude, I was beginning to wonder if we had lost you permanently. Good to hear from you, though. This thread has been going downhill fast since, oh....around early December. It would be nice if you could contribute a little more, we could definitely use as much input from good posters as we can get. The best way to exemplify the way this thread has been lately is in asking the question : "If two morons argue on a message board, and no one pays any attention, did it really happen?
              LOL. Who was it that wrote about arrogance earlier and not liking name calling? Just too much.
              I think it's fair to say that DMW and I have both been stating intelligent arguments for quite some time on this board. Some things you have said are well thought out, and some I classify as pipe dreams or otherwise unrealistic ideas. Just because something is broken (i.e. Roy Williams) doesn't mean it's easy to fix (i.e. trade Roy Williams for Shaun Rogers). Things like that don't work in the real world and suggesting them only serves to lessen your credibility.
              LSU, I have no doubt you and DWS are good posters. I am not debating that but I also read your posts, and his, and you are wrong sometimes. For eaxmple, you where calling the OL good and D dominant. DWS was saying Eillis getting injured was for the better and that Rivera was pretty good. Now we can argue the degree to which these are wrong but I think they are just wrong.

              So. On the play personnel stuff my one core, non-negotiable position is if you don't accept you have a real big problem then you can never really solve it. Problem identification is the start of a resolution regardless of contracts. Contracts can be structured and restructured and many times we fans don't understand how they worl.

              Perfect example is Roy Williams. A few posters here like Roy Williams. They believe that Roy under a new scheme with a "Pro Bowl" FS would flourish like he did in 2003. Even when these individuals are uncomfortable arguing his abilities they say "CONTRACT." Can't make a change so forget it and move on .... Wrong.

              Well let us start with contract. Mickey Spagnola just indicated Roy's contract requires a 5.5 MM roster bonus on March. So this makes moving Roy easier if true. Roy's 2006 Salary was 565K. Depending on how the math works it equates to a cap hit less than Vanderjagt if you eliminate Roy or trade him.

              Now, if we would like to argue contract at this time. Please. Let us. But facts please. I want facts. Not emotional arguments why Roy is salvagable. Talk analytically about his contrat and the Cap Hit et al....

              Now let us talk Performance on the Field and results. Mickey Spagnola's articel says it all on Roy. I listen to lots of analysts and not one outside of Dallas thinks Roy is any good as a SS. To put it in Mike Francesca's words from WFAN in NY -- "He is not any good more than 5 yards from the LOS and even there he is horrible at shedding blocks. Unless he gets a free run at a player he is horrid"

              This is why Burress called him an ankle tackler.

              He is a SS who can't cover what SS normally cover. He is a SS who at the Point of Attack near the LOS usually gives up his body instead of trying to make a play. He is a SS who is a step slow in zone coverage and takes bad angles. He is defensive in the locker room and is very sensitive to criticism.

              I think Roy can play but in a vastly different scheme and as a different player as an OLB.

              I think (hope, pray) Roy can transform his body and work very hard to improve fatal inadequacies for a SS.

              So given all this. Why is Roy a lock on next year's roster? And even if a lock because of bonus, why is he even a starter?

              Instead of killing our FS to cover up for Roy why not find a SS who can play the position better than Roy.

              Instead, the topic of discussion is "how do we rescue our lovable #8 pick who in 5 years has proven a disappointment as SS." Scheme, new FS, better pass rush ..... etc.

              Anyway, good luck.
              Sorry...double post, read the next one.

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              • Originally posted by cowboysforever
                Originally posted by LSUALUM99
                Originally posted by cowboysforever
                Originally posted by DMWSackMachine
                Wow, dude, I was beginning to wonder if we had lost you permanently. Good to hear from you, though. This thread has been going downhill fast since, oh....around early December. It would be nice if you could contribute a little more, we could definitely use as much input from good posters as we can get. The best way to exemplify the way this thread has been lately is in asking the question : "If two morons argue on a message board, and no one pays any attention, did it really happen?
                LOL. Who was it that wrote about arrogance earlier and not liking name calling? Just too much.
                I think it's fair to say that DMW and I have both been stating intelligent arguments for quite some time on this board. Some things you have said are well thought out, and some I classify as pipe dreams or otherwise unrealistic ideas. Just because something is broken (i.e. Roy Williams) doesn't mean it's easy to fix (i.e. trade Roy Williams for Shaun Rogers). Things like that don't work in the real world and suggesting them only serves to lessen your credibility.
                LSU, I have no doubt you and DWS are good posters. I am not debating that but I also read your posts, and his, and you are wrong sometimes. For eaxmple, you where calling the OL good and D dominant. DWS was saying Eillis getting injured was for the better and that Rivera was pretty good. Now we can argue the degree to which these are wrong but I think they are just wrong.

                So. On the play personnel stuff my one core, non-negotiable position is if you don't accept you have a real big problem then you can never really solve it. Problem identification is the start of a resolution regardless of contracts. Contracts can be structured and restructured and many times we fans don't understand how they worl.

                Perfect example is Roy Williams. A few posters here like Roy Williams. They believe that Roy under a new scheme with a "Pro Bowl" FS would flourish like he did in 2003. Even when these individuals are uncomfortable arguing his abilities they say "CONTRACT." Can't make a change so forget it and move on .... Wrong.

                Well let us start with contract. Mickey Spagnola just indicated Roy's contract requires a 5.5 MM roster bonus on March. So this makes moving Roy easier if true. Roy's 2006 Salary was 565K. Depending on how the math works it equates to a cap hit less than Vanderjagt if you eliminate Roy or trade him.

                Now, if we would like to argue contract at this time. Please. Let us. But facts please. I want facts. Not emotional arguments why Roy is salvagable. Talk analytically about his contrat and the Cap Hit et al....

                Now let us talk Performance on the Field and results. Mickey Spagnola's articel says it all on Roy. I listen to lots of analysts and not one outside of Dallas thinks Roy is any good as a SS. To put it in Mike Francesca's words from WFAN in NY -- "He is not any good more than 5 yards from the LOS and even there he is horrible at shedding blocks. Unless he gets a free run at a player he is horrid"

                This is why Burress called him an ankle tackler.

                He is a SS who can't cover what SS normally cover. He is a SS who at the Point of Attack near the LOS usually gives up his body instead of trying to make a play. He is a SS who is a step slow in zone coverage and takes bad angles. He is defensive in the locker room and is very sensitive to criticism.

                I think Roy can play but in a vastly different scheme and as a different player as an OLB.

                I think (hope, pray) Roy can transform his body and work very hard to improve fatal inadequacies for a SS.

                So given all this. Why is Roy a lock on next year's roster? And even if a lock because of bonus, why is he even a starter?

                Instead of killing our FS to cover up for Roy why not find a SS who can play the position better than Roy.

                Instead, the topic of discussion is "how do we rescue our lovable #8 pick who in 5 years has proven a disappointment as SS." Scheme, new FS, better pass rush ..... etc.

                Anyway, good luck.
                If I remember correctly, you yourself just praised the heck out of an article that suggested that very same solution...an article that you later referenced in this same post.

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                • Originally posted by CTCowboysFan
                  Okay thank you fellas. Anyways I'll get on with my idea.

                  This is extreme and normally I'd dismiss this if I saw somebody else with the idea but this is my own creativity not what the Cowboys WILL do, or what I think they'll do.

                  We all know the struggles of the Cowboys coverage. We all know the Cowboys struggles in the pass rush department.

                  Roy Williams is a great player no one can deny that. The problem is he is being forced to cover and he cannot, as we have seen time and time again.

                  I for one am tired of all the mismatches, and anytime we play teams with running backs who can catch out of the backfield there will always be a mismatch in the opposing teams favor.

                  I say scrap the 3-4, and while we are at it scrap Bill Parcells. It’s bold but this team needs to move on. Bill is stuck in the 1800’s. His crap doesn’t work anymore. He’s a good coach, a great one in fact. He is one of the best at teaching players life lessons along with football ones, but it’s time to move on. He is holding this team back and this defense has too much talent to go to waste.

                  Anyways the main reason for this post is the defense so let me get right to it.

                  Patrick Watkins remains the starting free safety. Anthony Henry and Terence Newman remain the starting cornerbacks.

                  ROY WILLIAMS moves to strong-side linebacker. Don’t give me the crap that he isn’t big enough, he can take on any running back or tight end in the league, and he could do the job very well in my opinion.

                  Draft Reggie Nelson or LaRon Landry which ever is available at our pick and start them at strong safety.

                  Bradie James will continue to start at middle linebacker. Trade Ayodele for whatever he is worth. Ayodele played well and it’s sad to get rid of him but this is for the best of the Dallas Cowboys.

                  Bobby Carpenter moves to weak-side linebacker. I like what I saw of him and he has the versatility to play inside or outside though he is a better outside linebacker so that’s where we will start him at.

                  Move DeMarcus Ware to right defensive end; maybe have him add some more bulk but overall I think he would do pretty good and he would be playing his natural position.

                  Jason Hatcher and Jason Ferguson will play to two defensive tackle spots.

                  Play Chris Canty or Marcus Spears at the left defensive end spot, which ever proved to be better in camp, the other could eventually move inside when Ferg got too old.

                  So in conclusion the Dallas Cowboys defensive lineup would consist of……


                  FS SS
                  Watkins Landry


                  RCB LCB
                  Henry Newman


                  ROLB MLB LOLB
                  Carpenter James R. Williams


                  RDE RDT LDT LDE
                  Ware Hatcher Ferguson Canty


                  Thoughts???
                  Funny on the MLB choice. I also feel Bradie is an excellent 4-3 MLB canidate but a below average 3-4 ILB.

                  Roy to 4-3 OLB is great if that where the case and plays to his strengths.

                  Spears over Hatcher as RDT.

                  Hatcher over Canty as LDE.

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                  • Funny on the MLB choice. I also feel Bradie is an excellent 4-3 MLB canidate but a below average 3-4 ILB.

                    Roy to 4-3 OLB is great if that where the case and plays to his strengths.

                    Spears over Hatcher as RDT.

                    Hatcher over Canty as LDE.
                    I could agree there.
                    "Red Ball"

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                    • Originally posted by CTCowboysFan
                      I need the answer to one question before I can present you guys with an idea.

                      Which linebacker would be easier to get rid of, Akin Ayodele or Bradie James? And the answer can't be "neither"
                      Akin is easier to cut plus less tradable. Sort of failed at 4-3 OLB and not proven as 3-4 ILB.

                      Bradie is easier to trade. A perfect 4-3 MLB IMHO.

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                      • Originally posted by JJJ888
                        Originally posted by cowboysforever
                        Originally posted by LSUALUM99
                        Originally posted by cowboysforever
                        Originally posted by DMWSackMachine
                        Wow, dude, I was beginning to wonder if we had lost you permanently. Good to hear from you, though. This thread has been going downhill fast since, oh....around early December. It would be nice if you could contribute a little more, we could definitely use as much input from good posters as we can get. The best way to exemplify the way this thread has been lately is in asking the question : "If two morons argue on a message board, and no one pays any attention, did it really happen?
                        LOL. Who was it that wrote about arrogance earlier and not liking name calling? Just too much.
                        I think it's fair to say that DMW and I have both been stating intelligent arguments for quite some time on this board. Some things you have said are well thought out, and some I classify as pipe dreams or otherwise unrealistic ideas. Just because something is broken (i.e. Roy Williams) doesn't mean it's easy to fix (i.e. trade Roy Williams for Shaun Rogers). Things like that don't work in the real world and suggesting them only serves to lessen your credibility.
                        LSU, I have no doubt you and DWS are good posters. I am not debating that but I also read your posts, and his, and you are wrong sometimes. For eaxmple, you where calling the OL good and D dominant. DWS was saying Eillis getting injured was for the better and that Rivera was pretty good. Now we can argue the degree to which these are wrong but I think they are just wrong.

                        So. On the play personnel stuff my one core, non-negotiable position is if you don't accept you have a real big problem then you can never really solve it. Problem identification is the start of a resolution regardless of contracts. Contracts can be structured and restructured and many times we fans don't understand how they worl.

                        Perfect example is Roy Williams. A few posters here like Roy Williams. They believe that Roy under a new scheme with a "Pro Bowl" FS would flourish like he did in 2003. Even when these individuals are uncomfortable arguing his abilities they say "CONTRACT." Can't make a change so forget it and move on .... Wrong.

                        Well let us start with contract. Mickey Spagnola just indicated Roy's contract requires a 5.5 MM roster bonus on March. So this makes moving Roy easier if true. Roy's 2006 Salary was 565K. Depending on how the math works it equates to a cap hit less than Vanderjagt if you eliminate Roy or trade him.

                        Now, if we would like to argue contract at this time. Please. Let us. But facts please. I want facts. Not emotional arguments why Roy is salvagable. Talk analytically about his contrat and the Cap Hit et al....

                        Now let us talk Performance on the Field and results. Mickey Spagnola's articel says it all on Roy. I listen to lots of analysts and not one outside of Dallas thinks Roy is any good as a SS. To put it in Mike Francesca's words from WFAN in NY -- "He is not any good more than 5 yards from the LOS and even there he is horrible at shedding blocks. Unless he gets a free run at a player he is horrid"

                        This is why Burress called him an ankle tackler.

                        He is a SS who can't cover what SS normally cover. He is a SS who at the Point of Attack near the LOS usually gives up his body instead of trying to make a play. He is a SS who is a step slow in zone coverage and takes bad angles. He is defensive in the locker room and is very sensitive to criticism.

                        I think Roy can play but in a vastly different scheme and as a different player as an OLB.

                        I think (hope, pray) Roy can transform his body and work very hard to improve fatal inadequacies for a SS.

                        So given all this. Why is Roy a lock on next year's roster? And even if a lock because of bonus, why is he even a starter?

                        Instead of killing our FS to cover up for Roy why not find a SS who can play the position better than Roy.

                        Instead, the topic of discussion is "how do we rescue our lovable #8 pick who in 5 years has proven a disappointment as SS." Scheme, new FS, better pass rush ..... etc.

                        Anyway, good luck.
                        If I remember correctly, you yourself just praised the heck out of an article that suggested that very same solution...an article that you later referenced in this same post.
                        My praise of article that damns Roy Williams for poor play is correct. I welcome the opening in this dialogue. Roy IMHO is the A number 1 reason the D fell apart.

                        What Mr Spagnola feels is a solution for Roy I feel is subject to intense debate.

                        I am trying to see where the "gotcha" is? Please help me understand where I may have contradicted myself?

                        I can not find it.

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                        • The degree of intelligence in this thread nowdays has hit rock bottom.

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                          • I would like a move back to the 4-3. We were the #1 defense in Parcells 1st year and I think it's because the 4-3 is a better defense against the NFC. Reason? Most of the NFC coaches are west coast disciples and rhythm is easier to disrupt with a Tampa 2 like scheme. With the 3-4, I feel like there isn't enough initial pressure and the QB can get into a rhythm pretty easily if they get the first couple of passes completed. (ala Brees, Kitna, Garcia, McNabb)

                            I think we could keep Parcells with this situation, and I don't know why he liked the switch after we were the #1 defense after year 1.

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                            • Originally posted by D-Unit
                              The degree of intelligence in this thread nowdays has hit rock bottom.
                              Wow. Another guy comes in insulting folks.

                              I guess we need to go back into D-Unit posts to find some of his "less than exemplary" threads.

                              The thought police here are strong.

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                              • yeah when is the last time you have even posted your opinion on here D-Unit?
                                "Red Ball"

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