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  • Let's have an ignoring contest. Whoever responds to cowboysforever first loses!

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    • Originally posted by D-Unit
      Let's have an ignoring contest. Whoever responds to cowboysforever first loses!
      starting........NOW :D




      The greastest team of all time...The OKLAHOMA SOONERS!!! http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3849468

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      • When is a moderator going to do something about his guy? At what point does it constitute trolling when a single person hijacks an entire thread and turns every person on the board against him, resulting in page after page of drivel and worthless back and forth? It's starting to wear me out. I am a frequent visitor to this site, I try to be considerate and respectful of others (though I do lose my patience at times) while doing my best to contribute in a positive way to the thread.

        Not that I want to impinge upon a person's right to express their opinion, but when a single poster creates so much havoc on a thread that no other reasonable discussion is possible, that would seem to me as the time when a moderator should intervene. I could be wrong, but I am really getting sick of this crap.
        Originally posted by 21ST
        He was protecting his self
        Originally posted by tjsunstein
        From what? His leg?
        Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
        That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
        "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

        DeMarcus Ware

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        • I give up, its Tex Mex treatment for me from now on, won't read it, won't respond to it

          BTW per NFLPA the contract is $11.1 MIL in bonus money paid in two installments thats gauranteed money. with bases of:
          2006:585,000
          2007:595,000
          2008:3.72 MIL
          2009:4.4 MIL
          2010:4.05 MIL

          Cutting or trading Williams now would mean that the prorated signing bonus of $ 8.8 MIL hits our cap this year minus the base salary of 595,000 means a net cap hit of roughly 8.2 MIL. Cutting or trading him after the 2007 season would be a much more managable cap hit of 5.5 MIL minus the base salary of 3.72 MIL for a net hit of only about 1.8 MIL. Cutting him after the 2008 season would be even better as it would mean the cap hit would be 4.4 MIL minus the base salary of 4.4 MIL for no net cap hit.

          In conclusion RW will play for the boys in 06 and most likely 07, whether he sucks or not.

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          • Cutting or trading Williams now would mean that the prorated signing bonus of $ 8.8 MIL hits our cap this year minus the base salary of 595,000 means a net cap hit of roughly 8.2 MIL. Cutting or trading him after the 2007 season would be a much more managable cap hit of 5.5 MIL minus the base salary of 3.72 MIL for a net hit of only about 1.8 MIL. Cutting him after the 2008 season would be even better as it would mean the cap hit would be 4.4 MIL minus the base salary of 4.4 MIL for no net cap hit.

            In conclusion RW will play for the boys in 06 and most likely 07, whether he sucks or not.
            The question, I believe, is whether or not the entire 11.5m bonus was all designated as "signing bonus" or whether a large portion is designated for a roster bonus at the beginning of the 07 business year. My understanding when the deal was first announced was that it was all paid up front as signing bonus money, and that he had an additional roster bonus to be paid later....but maybe I was wrong. A link would be nice to back up all these points being made.
            Originally posted by 21ST
            He was protecting his self
            Originally posted by tjsunstein
            From what? His leg?
            Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
            That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
            "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

            DeMarcus Ware

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            • You are right DMW, should've posted links. Unfortuantly I can't find a link if the 11.1 MIL was broken down into two payments of 5.5 MIL, but it really doesn't matter both links say guaranteed 11.1 MIL. I had heard somewhere NFL network I think that it was two payments which makes sense because of the base salaries he makes roughly $6M, $6M, then 4isheach of the last 3 years.

              http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2537375

              http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cf...F0F312D04F59BC

              Base salaries can be found at NFLPA here:

              http://nflpa.com/Resources/ActivePla....aspx?id=32984

              unfortunately you can't actually read the contract unless you are an agent or advisor, but it doesn't matter because the money is guaranteed and therefore counts as part of the signing bonus whether its one payment or two. This isn't a roster bonus, a roster bonus isn't guaranteed.

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              • ha! i've enjoyed reading the past couple of pages of this thread...

                I guess you guys now know what it's like for us Falcons fans to try to explain to idiots why we are not going to cut or trade Mike Vick... :roll:
                TD 2011 catch-phrase: "explosive"

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                • It really doesnt matter if Roy Williams gave us no cap hit if we cut him. It's not going to happen.

                  One bad year is not going to warrant cutting a player that has been the face of the Dallas Cowboys for the last 5 years. He will come out and try to prove his doubters come next season, until then, everyone just drop the SS position.

                  Sig thanks to DieHardVikingsFan

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                  • I just want to take a moment aside to bemoan our inability to grap Gabe Watson in the draft last year. As most remember, he was projected by some as a first round pick, and was a prototype NT prospect who simply had a questionable motor along with durability problems. He ended up going in the early 4th round to Arizona, for whom I understand he played pretty well. Looking back, we basically wasted our 4th anyway, and it woudn't have taken much more than a 6th rounder (which we also basically wasted, cutting him at the first of the season, though he made it back eventually) to get up far enough to nab him.

                    The biggest knocks on him were that a) he didn't always give his best effort and took plays off and b) had stamina problems that heavily conributed to the first knock. Otherwise, he had the perfect body and build. Would have been the absolute best imaginable backup NT. Playing in spurts, he may have even outplayed Fergie at times. Anyway, it's water under the bridge now, but I sure wish we could have made it happen. :(
                    Originally posted by 21ST
                    He was protecting his self
                    Originally posted by tjsunstein
                    From what? His leg?
                    Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
                    That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
                    "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

                    DeMarcus Ware

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                    • The Roy Williams thing is getting out of hand now. I feel partly responsible, so this is the last time I will talk of it. This is my take.

                      I do believe that the main issue in coverage is Roy Williams, and that a different FS won't help the issue as much as most think it will. At the end of the day, he must play his assignment, he's the guy who defends the TE, he's the guy who defends the fade. Not the FS, he's responsible for only half the field.

                      Having that said, why beat the subject to death? He's obviously here to stay, so you can only hope he improves. Thats it, end of discussion.

                      Now, in regards to bringing in a FS, I personally feel that its unnecessary. I feel that Watkins will develop into a good FS and that theres no need to invest more youth into the position when you already have promising youth already.

                      Is Reggie Nelson better? Of course he is. But it doesn't mean that you guys should get him. Theres more pressing needs for the 1st round than another young FS. You have age at CB, WR, and could use an OG. So why spend your 1st on a position that already has a promising long term answer? Thats why I feel that FS shouldn't be drafted. If you read the Giants board, Im a very big Reggie Nelson fan. I think he's gonna be truely special.

                      But that doesn't excuse the fact that you for the most part have filled that position with promising youth already. Also couple the fact that he'll almost surely be gone by the time you draft, so theres no point in wishful thinking. Shoot, he might be gone before the Giants draft too, Im just hoping he's not, but theres a very good chance that both he and Landry will be gone by the 15th pick.

                      And like DMWSackmachine said, theres no need to destroy everything and rebuild. Most mistakes by this team were mental mistakes, very correctable stuff. If you think bringing in a rookie at a key position is gonna help you guys in the mental aspect of the game, think again, you'll see any rookie outside of a RB or pass rusher go through mental mistakes just like the rest of them. This team was a Tony Romo botch away from the NFC Championship game. They wouldve clobbered Chicago. Think about that.

                      If that happens, then whats the perception? Theres no need to go into panic, the defense will be fine as long as the pass rush develops and Roy loses weight.

                      And thats coming from a Giant fan, but I have to face facts here. Those are the facts, the Cowboys will be back next year, and probably better than this year. It pains me to say it, but thats how I see it through unbiased eyes.

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                      • I just want smart players. :D

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                        • I think people forget how good Roy was in his Rookie year. I mean we were getting a spot of ring of honor ready for him. But he was in the 215-220 range I think at that time, which is where I would to see him now. And he had Woodson next to him and Dat in front of him. Upgrading the FS will let him do what he does best roam the box, and cover the TE and the flats which he has the ability to do. And like D-Unit said, we are not getting rid of Watkins, if anything competition should push him to improve, and would add depth to our secondary. Seeing that Nelson can play CB as well if necessary. But Nelson is the solid playmaker I've been pining for since Woody left.

                          BBD, I really don't see WR and CB as huge needs. Especially not in front of OG and S. We are solid at WR and CB at least for another year. so I am not sweating it.

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                          • Can we start a new subject? This RW thing has really gotten out of hand...

                            How do you guys feel about CB? How big of a need is it? If you have it your way, where would we take one? And who?

                            I've expressed my opinion on this subject several times, and I think you guys should know what I think, but I'll say it again. I think as of now, the best place to take one is in the 3rd or 4th and my favorite prospect there is Jonathan Wade out of Tennesee. I think he could develop into one heck of a player. What do you guys think about CB and Jonathan Wade?

                            BoneKrusher

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                            • I agree. Age at corner does not concern me. The regression in Henry's play does, but I'm not willing to write him off. Cornerback isn't a first round need, but under the right circumstances and the willingness to try Henry at FS, I could see a possibility.

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                              • Originally posted by D-Unit
                                I agree. Age at corner does not concern me. The regression in Henry's play does, but I'm not willing to write him off. Cornerback isn't a first round need, but under the right circumstances and the willingness to try Henry at FS, I could see a possibility.
                                I can't feel confident in a team with Aaron Glenn as our #2 corner (assuming Henry moves to safety).

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