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  • Originally posted by D-Unit
    Originally posted by robert_in_bigd
    Originally posted by Poet3334
    Originally posted by D-Unit
    Originally posted by Paul
    Hopefully JJ has learned something from BP when it comes to the draft. HOPEFULLY.
    As long as we have Jeff Ireland, we should be fine.
    Good point. I was thinking the same thing. I think Ireland will have a lot more sway this time around.
    I think Ireland is gone once BP comes back next year. JJ loves the player personnel stuff.

    To BBD: Since Johnson, JJ's drafts have been very bad. JJ's trades even worse.
    Aint' that the truth. Although the Roy Williams, Al Johnson, Jason Witten, Bradie James draft was an improvement.
    Jason and Bradie in the 3rd and 4th are good .... Roy and Al at 1 and 2 are not exemplars of quality picks.

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    • Originally posted by robert_in_bigd
      Originally posted by D-Unit
      Originally posted by robert_in_bigd
      Originally posted by Poet3334
      Originally posted by D-Unit
      Originally posted by Paul
      Hopefully JJ has learned something from BP when it comes to the draft. HOPEFULLY.
      As long as we have Jeff Ireland, we should be fine.
      Good point. I was thinking the same thing. I think Ireland will have a lot more sway this time around.
      I think Ireland is gone once BP comes back next year. JJ loves the player personnel stuff.

      To BBD: Since Johnson, JJ's drafts have been very bad. JJ's trades even worse.
      Aint' that the truth. Although the Roy Williams, Al Johnson, Jason Witten, Bradie James draft was an improvement.
      Jason and Bradie in the 3rd and 4th are good .... Roy and Al at 1 and 2 are not exemplars of quality picks.
      I think you guys have the 2002 and 2003 drafts all mixed up.

      2002(The Campo aka Jerry Jones Draft)
      Roy Williams
      Andre Gurode
      Antonio Bryant
      Derek Ross
      Jamar Martin
      Pete Hunter
      Waylet Tyson
      Deveren Johnson
      Bob Slowikowski

      2003 (Bill Parcells 1st Year)
      Terrence Newman
      Al Johnson
      Jason Witten
      Bradie James
      BJ Tucker
      Zuriel Smith
      Justin Bates

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      • Haha! Right.... I forgot how badly we suck w/out BP. :( :( :(

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        • The Phillips 3-4 is an attacking scheme. Sorry, I'ld rather live or die by the bliltz than be chewed apart slowly.

          Move Henry to safety. Sign Samuel/Clements as FA. Get Adalius Thoms. Pick up a guard in FA. Draft a tackle. Draft a defensive tackle. Draft a corner to eventually replace Aaron Glenn. Draft a reciever. Bam. There you have it.

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          • Originally posted by charles_haley_rules
            The Phillips 3-4 is an attacking scheme. Sorry, I'ld rather live or die by the bliltz than be chewed apart slowly.

            Move Henry to safety. Sign Samuel/Clements as FA. Get Adalius Thoms. Pick up a guard in FA.
            Okay, it is not as easy or as simple as you make it out be. If it was we would all be GMs. Getting Samuel/Clements and Adalius Thoms, will automatcially take a huge portion of our cap away. Plus I have trust in Carp opposite of Ware, and if Wade can use him as he did Shaun Phillips, then were set. No need to put more money into a position if it's not needed.

            Originally posted by charles_haley_rules
            Draft a tackle. Draft a defensive tackle. Draft a corner to eventually replace Aaron Glenn. Draft a reciever. Bam. There you have it.
            Again, not that simple. You act as if whoever we draft will automatically be the answer there and will produce. You can't just say "draft this position" or "draft that position" without assigning player there, and explaining how they will help this team. We may have 7 bust in this draft, or 7 studs. But there is never a "Bam.There you have it." solution in the NFL.

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            • Originally posted by Paul
              Originally posted by robert_in_bigd
              Originally posted by D-Unit
              Originally posted by robert_in_bigd
              Originally posted by Poet3334
              Originally posted by D-Unit
              Originally posted by Paul
              Hopefully JJ has learned something from BP when it comes to the draft. HOPEFULLY.
              As long as we have Jeff Ireland, we should be fine.
              Good point. I was thinking the same thing. I think Ireland will have a lot more sway this time around.
              I think Ireland is gone once BP comes back next year. JJ loves the player personnel stuff.

              To BBD: Since Johnson, JJ's drafts have been very bad. JJ's trades even worse.
              Aint' that the truth. Although the Roy Williams, Al Johnson, Jason Witten, Bradie James draft was an improvement.
              Jason and Bradie in the 3rd and 4th are good .... Roy and Al at 1 and 2 are not exemplars of quality picks.
              I think you guys have the 2002 and 2003 drafts all mixed up.

              2002(The Campo aka Jerry Jones Draft)
              Roy Williams
              Andre Gurode
              Antonio Bryant
              Derek Ross
              Jamar Martin
              Pete Hunter
              Waylet Tyson
              Deveren Johnson
              Bob Slowikowski

              2003 (Bill Parcells 1st Year)
              Terrence Newman
              Al Johnson
              Jason Witten
              Bradie James
              BJ Tucker
              Zuriel Smith
              Justin Bates
              Excellent point. Our bad. Will be interesting to see how much Ireland being there, as opposed to Lacewell, will effect the evaluations.

              2003 - 2004 was Lacewell
              2005 - 2006 was Ireland

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              • Phillips basically runs a 46 style defense. He just masks it with the 3-4 front. But the principles is the fireman philosophy, which is basically today's version of the 46. He disguises his blitzes better with the 3-4 shell, and the gap assignments are slightly varied because of the front, but the basics of the pass coverage/rush are identical.

                With an attacking style like this, your rush defense may take a hit. OLBs will whiff more often and overpursue and miss their gap assignment. That leaves them exposed to longer runs on the outside/offtackle. This style puts extra emphasis on the 3 downlinemen to hold their ground against the run game. So its gonna be key for Spears and Canty and Ferguson to step it up this year.

                I actually have the same concerns for my team. The Giants hired Spagnuola, also an advocate of the fireman philosophy. The only difference between our defensive philosophy and yours will most likely be the fronts. We're gonna execute it out of the 4-3 instead of the 3-4. Also, we don't necessarily have the personell in the secondary to run it as effectively or as often as you guys. Us, you guys, and Philly will basically have the same style. If Williams gets out of his Cover 2 and goes back to his old style, Washington will too. We'll all basically run the same defense.

                Which means we all could be vulnerable to long runs. Thats not something Im looking forward too. Whenever you have an attacking style like this, youre gonna have people whiff every now and then. SD made it work because their front 3 is so killer, they didn't have to worry about it. Dallas doesn't have the front 3 that SD has. So that could present a problem.

                As far as the questions that Robert brought up...who knows? We'll just have to wait and see what Wade does.

                Im personally a fan of the BP philosophy. Its all about stopping the run, and he designs his defense to do just that. On 3rd and long, then you unleash the pass rush, but on 1st and 2nd, keep it somewhat reserved and stop the run. Its not overly aggressive, its not overly passive (it was only passive in D this year because of the coverage issues, and lack of rush out of the pass rushers). Its also tried and tested. BP had alot of success with it over the years, Bellichick makes it work, Saban made it work, its had success everywhere it went. I was hoping the Giants hired Pepper Johnson and ran the same philosophy, but it didn't work out for us the way I hoped.

                The problem I have with attacking style of defenses is that it can be figured out after a couple of years. Thats why outside of Philly, youve seen these styles come and go. Teams get film of it, and figure it out and make it obsolete rather quickly. You have to constantly update your technique or it gets old real fast.

                Look at Pittsburgh. Their blitzing style got chewed up badly this year. LeBeau didn't really bring anything new to the defense this year, coming out with the same zone blitzes he did in years past, and his division rivals were ready for it. And they got killed for it. If you can pick it up, this style is left dead in the water. And I expect teams to adjust and do more max protect schemes, and screen passes to counter the new wave of blitz heavy defenses. Football is an evolution, this scheme died during the advant of the WCO because it became obsolete. With the WCO becoming less popular its back, but expect more checkdown/quick slants/sn passes to be incorporated into playbooks this upcoming year to counter the blitz heavy style again.

                Or they might not. Who knows. Im curious to see how this pans out.

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                • If in Fact Donnie Edwards gets signed in FA, who eventually starts at the two ILB spots? James/Ayodele, Edwards/Ayodele, or Edwards/James. Obviously there would be alot of cycling James, Ayodele, Edwards, and Fowler. What are your guys' thoughts?

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                  • Originally posted by bigmac076
                    If in Fact Donnie Edwards gets signed in FA, who eventually starts at the two ILB spots? James/Ayodele, Edwards/Ayodele, or Edwards/James. Obviously there would be alot of cycling James, Ayodele, Edwards, and Fowler. What are your guys' thoughts?
                    To me signing Ronnie Edwards is a must since he knew Wade system, I don't think will cost a lot, and we need him to direct travel as well. I will sign him and trade Ayodele for David Carr (i know this is not going to happen).

                    I like this site top 100 ranking: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6421386

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                    • Originally posted by nrcirc
                      Originally posted by bigmac076
                      If in Fact Donnie Edwards gets signed in FA, who eventually starts at the two ILB spots? James/Ayodele, Edwards/Ayodele, or Edwards/James. Obviously there would be alot of cycling James, Ayodele, Edwards, and Fowler. What are your guys' thoughts?
                      To me signing Ronnie Edwards is a must since he knew Wade system, I don't think will cost a lot, and we need him to direct travel as well. I will sign him and trade Ayodele for David Carr (i know this is not going to happen).

                      I like this site top 100 ranking: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6421386
                      I believe its Donnie, not that it makes a difference. You like James over Ayodele eh? And that trade, just doesn't make sense.

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                      • Originally posted by bigbluedefense
                        Phillips basically runs a 46 style defense. He just masks it with the 3-4 front. But the principles is the fireman philosophy, which is basically today's version of the 46. He disguises his blitzes better with the 3-4 shell, and the gap assignments are slightly varied because of the front, but the basics of the pass coverage/rush are identical.

                        With an attacking style like this, your rush defense may take a hit. OLBs will whiff more often and overpursue and miss their gap assignment. That leaves them exposed to longer runs on the outside/offtackle. This style puts extra emphasis on the 3 downlinemen to hold their ground against the run game. So its gonna be key for Spears and Canty and Ferguson to step it up this year.

                        I actually have the same concerns for my team. The Giants hired Spagnuola, also an advocate of the fireman philosophy. The only difference between our defensive philosophy and yours will most likely be the fronts. We're gonna execute it out of the 4-3 instead of the 3-4. Also, we don't necessarily have the personell in the secondary to run it as effectively or as often as you guys. Us, you guys, and Philly will basically have the same style. If Williams gets out of his Cover 2 and goes back to his old style, Washington will too. We'll all basically run the same defense.

                        Which means we all could be vulnerable to long runs. Thats not something Im looking forward too. Whenever you have an attacking style like this, youre gonna have people whiff every now and then. SD made it work because their front 3 is so killer, they didn't have to worry about it. Dallas doesn't have the front 3 that SD has. So that could present a problem.

                        As far as the questions that Robert brought up...who knows? We'll just have to wait and see what Wade does.

                        Im personally a fan of the BP philosophy. Its all about stopping the run, and he designs his defense to do just that. On 3rd and long, then you unleash the pass rush, but on 1st and 2nd, keep it somewhat reserved and stop the run. Its not overly aggressive, its not overly passive (it was only passive in D this year because of the coverage issues, and lack of rush out of the pass rushers). Its also tried and tested. BP had alot of success with it over the years, Bellichick makes it work, Saban made it work, its had success everywhere it went. I was hoping the Giants hired Pepper Johnson and ran the same philosophy, but it didn't work out for us the way I hoped.

                        The problem I have with attacking style of defenses is that it can be figured out after a couple of years. Thats why outside of Philly, youve seen these styles come and go. Teams get film of it, and figure it out and make it obsolete rather quickly. You have to constantly update your technique or it gets old real fast.

                        Look at Pittsburgh. Their blitzing style got chewed up badly this year. LeBeau didn't really bring anything new to the defense this year, coming out with the same zone blitzes he did in years past, and his division rivals were ready for it. And they got killed for it. If you can pick it up, this style is left dead in the water. And I expect teams to adjust and do more max protect schemes, and screen passes to counter the new wave of blitz heavy defenses. Football is an evolution, this scheme died during the advant of the WCO because it became obsolete. With the WCO becoming less popular its back, but expect more checkdown/quick slants/sn passes to be incorporated into playbooks this upcoming year to counter the blitz heavy style again.

                        Or they might not. Who knows. Im curious to see how this pans out.
                        All Offensive and Defensive schemes get exposed over time. A continious cycle. Great points however. I really love your insights.

                        But sure enough if what you say is true, Cowboy fans are going to be baching their heads again if Roy Williams and Bradie James don't significantly improve their coverage.

                        Can you imagine how well Shockey or Smith will do versus the Cowboys if we are play Cover 0/1 blitzing like mad men. Or how well Westbrook would do catching balls in the flat. Oh dear it could get ugly. Liek rewinding the New Orleans tape.

                        Regardless with a more aggresive scheme, I would propose Burnett and Ayodele as the ILB because they are more fluid LB and can cover. This would also help Roy Williams I think freeing him to switch assignments with one of the ILB on obvious passing situations or changing the DB coverage pre-snap based on personnel. Either way, it is sad to think an ILB covers better than Williams. OLB Carp and Ware.

                        Big issue though in this scenario is whether Fergie can play Two-Gap NT at 32 and protect the smallish Burnett in running situations. I can see Fergie playing all out 15-20 snaps but over 25?

                        For this reason, I am starting to think we go NT this year in round 1 or 2 unless we pick up a salary cap NT for a year or two. Can't build a D praying we sack the QB 60 times next year or magically turn Fergie into Jamaal Williams. Hatcher, Spears and Canty will be fine at DE.

                        DB side, we need some early round talent to groom. Two guys are over 30 (Henry and Glenn) and the other back-ups seem to be that, back-ups. I think we go DB either 1 or 2 and expect a FS to develop internally. I don't like FA for CB -- too expensive and all to frequently get exposed as scheme dependent performers

                        So I say given our needs on D, and need for an OG, One FA either NT or OG then round 1 and 2 goes CB and remaining need.

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                        • Wade is going to do a great job. Thank god it is not Norv. :D

                          Our defense is going to get so much pressure, I can't wait. And you know what that means, more INT's for Newman, and finally a pro-bowl berth (knocks on wood).

                          Our DB's aren't that old, Henry is 29 as of right now, and 30 isn't even old anymore, plus DB's play for the longest in the NFL besides QB.

                          But signing Adalius Thomas is just stupid to me, I know that you can't enough linebackers in the 3-4, but that is for depth purposes, not for star players purposes. We will have too many players with starting potential, in fact we already do, so adding adalius would just be stupid. I think we should trade a LB IMO, and if we pick up any they better be for back up purposes only.

                          And BBD you make very good points, and don't take this the wrong way, but I think your scared. Wade is going to put our defense over the top and without Tiki you uguys are done, even with tiki you would be done actually. And and I both know it.

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                          • Just got back from the Pro Bowl practice at Aloha Stadium!

                            Guess who got Tony Romo to sign his Dallas Cowboys helmet???


                            ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


                            WOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!


                            Almost got in a scrap with a guy who's ankle I stepped on in order to get to Romo, but it was worth it! Haha!

                            Tonight... Pro Bowl Block Party in Waikiki! :D :D

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                            • Originally posted by D-Unit
                              Just got back from the Pro Bowl practice at Aloha Stadium!

                              Guess who got Tony Romo to sign his Dallas Cowboys helmet???


                              ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


                              WOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!


                              Almost got in a scrap with a guy who's ankle I stepped on in order to get to Romo, but it was worth it! Haha!

                              Tonight... Pro Bowl Block Party in Waikiki! :D :D
                              So jealous!!!

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                              • Originally posted by D-Unit
                                Just got back from the Pro Bowl practice at Aloha Stadium!

                                Guess who got Tony Romo to sign his Dallas Cowboys helmet???


                                ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


                                WOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!


                                Almost got in a scrap with a guy who's ankle I stepped on in order to get to Romo, but it was worth it! Haha!

                                Tonight... Pro Bowl Block Party in Waikiki! :D :D
                                You son of a *****.

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