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  • I'm not sold Wade has any decision on Jerry calling the shots...I mean obviously he is a factor...but if Jerry wanted Capers as the DC...and Stewart was told to demote...do you really see Wade going into Jerry's office and saying that he wants Stewart as his DC and Jerry changing his mind? I just can't see it.

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    • JJ needs to let Wade call some shots and atleast keep one of his guys...Is JJ going to do this crap when Garrett is in charge? Wade deserves better than this...have some faith in your freaking coach Mr. Jones.

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      • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
        JJ needs to let Wade call some shots and atleast keep one of his guys...Is JJ going to do this crap when Garrett is in charge? Wade deserves better than this...have some faith in your freaking coach Mr. Jones.
        No I can't forsee him doing this when Garrett is in charge...he is surrounding him with top defensive coaching talent...with some ties...as long as our defensive coaching staff is strong I don't think we'll see anything similar to this with Jason....We all know Jerry is setting up the ship for Garrett to sail off with sooner than later.

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        • I think the Cowboys are rivaling the Redskins for "most bizarre coaching staff changes" of 2008.

          I know they lost all the BP guys but I am having trouble following the hiring logic beyond "I got a shiny new toy."

          Just nuts, I'd be interested in a linear explanation.

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          • Originally posted by kingjames View Post
            I think the Cowboys are rivaling the Redskins for "most bizarre coaching staff changes" of 2008.

            I know they lost all the BP guys but I am having trouble following the hiring logic beyond "I got a shiny new toy."

            Just nuts, I'd be interested in a linear explanation.
            What don't you understand? I don't see one guy that doesn't fit...and we simply addressed our openings with good talent with solid backgrounds(my opinion is to give our coaching staff experience for when Garrett steps in) What signings didn't make sense logically?

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            • Originally posted by thule View Post
              What don't you understand? I don't see one guy that doesn't fit...and we simply addressed our openings with good talent with solid backgrounds(my opinion is to give our coaching staff experience for when Garrett steps in) What signings didn't make sense logically?
              Well, IMHO, Campo to start. DB Play in a 3-4 is different than the 4-3, particularly the role of the safeties.

              Gregg Williams? The guy blew out of DC in a rage over not being HC and now he is being interviewed for Linebackers? But still -- you run a 3-4. What experience does he have with a 3-4 LB unit?

              I get Capers for the 3-4 but Stewart stays instead? Really strange that choice IMHO. Grantham is fine I guess but the fact all of them did not do so hot in their last job should say something. You just went out and hired a bunch of guys recently fired and taking demotions to keep a paycheck coming in.

              Fairly clear, WP is not driving his staff changes, JG is now paid as much as the HC, and Mr Jones seems in charge making random "shiney new toy" sequencing and decisions.

              But hey, if that seems normal to you then god bless. You must be a big city boy because that sounds like organizational chaos to me. All seem like great individual talents but does not sound like much of a team that fits to me.

              I am just looking for a reasoned story line. Nothing more. Thanks in advance for the lengthy response.

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              • Originally posted by kingjames View Post
                Well, IMHO, Campo to start. DB Play in a 3-4 is different than the 4-3, particularly the role of the safeties.

                Gregg Williams? The guy blew out of DC in a rage over not being HC and now he is being interviewed for Linebackers? But still -- you run a 3-4. What experience does he have with a 3-4 LB unit?

                I get Capers for the 3-4 but Stewart stays instead? Really strange that choice IMHO. Grantham is fine I guess but the fact all of them did not do so hot in their last job should say something. You just went out and hired a bunch of guys recently fired and taking demotions to keep a paycheck coming in.

                Fairly clear, WP is not driving his staff changes, JG is now paid as much as the HC, and Mr Jones seems in charge making random "shiney new toy" sequencing and decisions.

                But hey, if that seems normal to you then god bless. You must be a big city boy because that sounds like organizational chaos to me. All seem like great individual talents but does not sound like much of a team that fits to me.

                I am just looking for a reasoned story line. Nothing more. Thanks in advance for the lengthy response.
                I'm pretty sure that in one of the Campo press conferences we said we were confident in Campo being a good guy to have in here..because we run similar coverage schemes as he did when he was in dallas the first time...that to me makes sense.

                Gregg Williams was off last year...but this year they were a top 10 defense I believe...and that defense didn't exactly have the talent we do on defense. You got to see a little of his 46 routes this year with the addition of Landry and when Taylor was alive..playing one safety that deep is classic 46...being thats how Wade runs his scheme similar too I think the pick would make sense. I would be pissed too if I was going to get the job if Gibbs was hired...only to find out that I didn't get the job after he was fired. I'm also not sure where your getting the reports that we brought him in to interview him for the LB job...I haven't heard anywhere what position on our team he was interviewed for...I find it hard to believe we would bring him in for the LB coach.

                Your confused about Stewart getting the job over Capers I think is what your first sentance in that paragraph states....well I stated earlier that Capers turned the job down just because of his relationship with Stewart...so this wasn't JJ's decision it was Capers.

                Big city boy...I live in ND hah

                Bringing up the other story with you is always entertaining to say the least Rob.

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                • Originally posted by kingjames View Post
                  Well, IMHO, Campo to start. DB Play in a 3-4 is different than the 4-3, particularly the role of the safeties.

                  Gregg Williams? The guy blew out of DC in a rage over not being HC and now he is being interviewed for Linebackers? But still -- you run a 3-4. What experience does he have with a 3-4 LB unit?

                  I get Capers for the 3-4 but Stewart stays instead? Really strange that choice IMHO. Grantham is fine I guess but the fact all of them did not do so hot in their last job should say something. You just went out and hired a bunch of guys recently fired and taking demotions to keep a paycheck coming in.

                  Fairly clear, WP is not driving his staff changes, JG is now paid as much as the HC, and Mr Jones seems in charge making random "shiney new toy" sequencing and decisions.

                  But hey, if that seems normal to you then god bless. You must be a big city boy because that sounds like organizational chaos to me. All seem like great individual talents but does not sound like much of a team that fits to me.

                  I am just looking for a reasoned story line. Nothing more. Thanks in advance for the lengthy response.
                  Rivera went from being the DC of a tampa-2 team to the LB coach of a 34. But I haven't heard anything about the Chargers bringin up "new toys", probably because their GM is regarded as one of the best in the NFL.
                  It's the similar transition Williams would made, so...

                  The fact is that guys like Campo or Williams have coached for so many years so I don't see them having problems with a different scheme, they have the experience to succeed.
                  Not to forget that Wade defense even with a 34 front, is a variation of the 46.


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                  • Originally posted by thule View Post
                    I'm pretty sure that in one of the Campo press conferences we said we were confident in Campo being a good guy to have in here..because we run similar coverage schemes as he did when he was in dallas the first time...that to me makes sense.
                    Who is "we?" If you are running similar coverage then when Campo was first at Daqllas then maybe it explains some (SOME) of the problems in the secondary.

                    Originally posted by thule View Post
                    Gregg Williams was off last year...but this year they were a top 10 defense I believe...and that defense didn't exactly have the talent we do on defense. You got to see a little of his 46 routes this year with the addition of Landry and when Taylor was alive..playing one safety that deep is classic 46...being thats how Wade runs his scheme similar too I think the pick would make sense. I would be pissed too if I was going to get the job if Gibbs was hired...only to find out that I didn't get the job after he was fired. I'm also not sure where your getting the reports that we brought him in to interview him for the LB job...I haven't heard anywhere what position on our team he was interviewed for...I find it hard to believe we would bring him in for the LB coach.
                    I read the Dallas Morning News. They stated LB. www.dallasnews.com

                    Originally posted by thule View Post
                    Your confused about Stewart getting the job over Capers I think is what your first sentance in that paragraph states....well I stated earlier that Capers turned the job down just because of his relationship with Stewart...so this wasn't JJ's decision it was Capers.
                    A bit of word play there. If the Dallasnews is right, Stewart did not want to take a demotion and Capers stepped aside. Capers did an honorable thing and Jones did not fire a Wade Asst.

                    Originally posted by thule View Post
                    Big city boy...I live in ND hah Bringing up the other story with you is always entertaining to say the least Rob.
                    Yah, sure. Thanks for the above. Peace.

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                    • Originally posted by Modano View Post
                      Rivera went from being the DC of a tampa-2 team to the LB coach of a 34. But I haven't heard anything about the Chargers bringin up "new toys", probably because their GM is regarded as one of the best in the NFL.
                      It's the similar transition Williams would made, so...

                      The fact is that guys like Campo or Williams have coached for so many years so I don't see them having problems with a different scheme, they have the experience to succeed.
                      Not to forget that Wade defense even with a 34 front, is a variation of the 46.
                      It is safe to assume the Charges made a mess of the coaching turnover last year. Not sure anyone would disagree with that ... Smith and Spanos Jr really messed that one up.

                      With respect to making transtions, sure we are all capable of adjusting and learning. Putting aside XOX concerns, the bigger issue with that type of staff is "who is in charge and what about the egos?"

                      Hell Rivera was let go b/c he was perceived as a "Me" guy. Williams has a reputation as a monumental ego. Capers totally does too -- in order to stay he pretty much demanded total control in Miami of the D last year with Cam Cameron.

                      The poential turbulence with WP and JG is apparent. I mean the Sportswriters are writing articles about Wade stepping aside and Jones trying to push him out gracefully this off season. www.dallasnews.com -- I am not making this up, take a read.

                      Seriously, this looks like a science experiment to me. Sometimes they generate great results and that is what fans hope for.

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                      • Originally posted by kingjames View Post
                        It is safe to assume the Charges made a mess of the coaching turnover last year. Not sure anyone would disagree with that ... Smith and Spanos Jr really messed that one up.

                        With respect to making transtions, sure we are all capable of adjusting and learning. Putting aside XOX concerns, the bigger issue with that type of staff is "who is in charge and what about the egos?"

                        Hell Rivera was let go b/c he was perceived as a "Me" guy. Williams has a reputation as a monumental ego. Capers totally does too -- in order to stay he pretty much demanded total control in Miami of the D last year with Cam Cameron.

                        The poential turbulence with WP and JG is apparent. I mean the Sportswriters are writing articles about Wade stepping aside and Jones trying to push him out gracefully this off season. www.dallasnews.com -- I am not making this up, take a read.

                        Seriously, this looks like a science experiment to me. Sometimes they generate great results and that is what fans hope for.


                        why are you linking directly to the dallas morning news? It goes straight to the home page, I get the dallas morning news and I dont know what article your referring to, you could just quote the article your talkin about...The one about pushing Phillips out the door


                        And whats the big deal about Bill's guys, or getting rid of all Parcell's guys, are is guys the only coaches who can be sucessful? Lets not knock guys before they get here, maybe we are getting Garrett's guys in place, not a bad idea if we know he is the future...Wade probably knew all this stuff thats going on way ahead of time, he inherited a very talented team that runs the 3-4 so he was in a good situation to have this job and he could of been informed about Garret taking over at some point...

                        Alot of assistant coaches in the league would love to come here, we can replace good coaches with no problem, especially with how well paid most of them are with a good amount of talent on the team...





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                        • Greg Williams is now the Jags DC...so we don't have to worry about that debate anymore.

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                          • Originally posted by thule View Post
                            Greg Williams is now the Jags DC...so we don't have to worry about that debate anymore.
                            I thought it was very weird in the first place to even consider him. Our coaching staff is fine and will be fine no matter who the LB coach is next year. Capers is probably holding out for a better job. Maybe he'll end up being the DC for the Giants when Spags leaves. Crazier things have happened.

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                            • The one problem I have with hiring all these former head coaches is that we aren't getting young guys with the energy and passion to drive our players. Like players, coaches can tire late in the season. I worry about that with some of these hires we're making.

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                              • So its about a 99% sure thing spag's goes to the Skins? There is no other good explanation as to why they haven't made a hire or done anymore interviews.

                                But does Capers in NY make sense? Would he stick with the 4-3? A switch to the 3-4 would be hard for them with no NT and no place for Osi or Strahan. I'm pretty sure Kiwanuka already showed that he cannot play OLB.

                                Tuck and Alford could be 3-4 DE's, but how effective they would be is uncertain.

                                I still hope we get capers in here in some capacity and Im not sure if the NY DC vacancy has any play on that at all.

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