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  • The day Crayton was on, I thought it was pretty funny that the very first clip they showed of him was him dropping that screen pass vs the Giants in the playoffs, and asked him what was going through his mind lol...I got the feeling he wasn't expecting it either because he didn't have the greatest answer and felt uncomfortable looking at it again lol...Hopefully all of it motivates him to improve on last year.





    Originally posted by Scott Wright
    I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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    • By AdamJT13 from the Cowboyzone:

      Top Shutdown Cornerbacks of 2007 (putting K.C. Joyner's stats to better use)
      I've said for a while that ESPN.com's K.C. Joyner is useful for compiling statistics but doesn't always know quite how to put them to good use. For example, his cornerback "metrics" focus on the plays when a cornerback is targeted but give no credit to cornerbacks whom opponents avoid. So if the 2007 Cowboys had a game when Jacques Reeves was targeted 12 times and allowed seven catches for 81 yards, Anthony Henry was targeted six times and allowed three catches for 42 yards and Terence Newman was targeted once and allowed one catch for 8 yards, Joyner's "metrics" (YPA and SYPA) would say that Reeves performed the best and Newman performed the worst, even if they all played the same number of snaps -- or even if Reeves played the least and Newman played the most.

      Clearly, though, cornerbacks have to be given credit for covering so well that opponents avoid throwing at them. One way to do this is to look at the number of yards allowed compared to the number of passes faced -- regardless of whether that cornerback was targeted. If a cornerback is on the field for 50 passes in a game, that's 50 times when the opponent could target him. If he was targeted four times and allowed two catches for 25 yards, he almost certainly performed better than if he had been targeted 16 times and allowed eight catches for 100 yards -- even though Joyner's "metrics" would say that the performances were exactly equal.

      What I've done for the past few seasons is to take the raw cornerback stats compiled by Joyner (and STATS and Football Outsiders) and compare them to each player's estimated pass attempts faced, which is determined by their official playing time percentage and their team's opponents' passing attempts. The result is statistics such as each cornerback's target percentage (how frequently they were targeted when they were on the field), their "bad play" percentage (how frequently they allowed a catch or were penalized) and their yards allowed per pass attempt (not per target).

      To me, the top "shutdown" cornerbacks are the guys who allow the fewest yards per pass attempt that they play. Simply looking at total yards allowed -- even for cornerbacks who play every snap of the season -- could be deceiving because one team could face fewer than 450 pass attempts, while another team could face more than 600. And if a cornerback plays 90 percent of his team's defensive snaps instead of 100 percent, that could cut his number of attempts faced by about 60 -- roughly two games' worth.

      The top "shutdown" cornerbacks each season typically allow fewer than 1.0 yards per pass attempt played -- ie., fewer than 500 yards allowed on 500 pass attempts faced, or fewer than 600 yards on 600 attempts, etc. Starting last season, K.C. Joyner started counting only the targets, catches and yards when a cornerback was in "direct coverage," which results in smaller numbers for every player and especially smaller numbers for teams that play primarily zone schemes such as the Tampa 2. (The discrepancies between Joyner's "direct coverage" numbers and the totals kept by Football Outsiders and STATS typically are greater for those teams than for other teams.) Joyner also combines catches and defensive penalties to a get a total number of unsuccessful plays, combines receiving yards and net penalty yards for a total number of yards allowed and combines attempts and penalties (but not spikes) to get the number of passes against each team.

      In 2007, based on Joyner's numbers and adjusted for each player's playing time and estimated pass attempts faced, 17 of the 81 cornerbacks who started at least five games allowed fewer than 1.0 yards per estimated pass play faced. The top 10 all allowed 0.93 or less. There were four who allowed 2.0 or more, and the bottom 10 all allowed 1.69 or more.

      Here are the top "shutdown" cornerbacks of 2007, based on net yards allowed per estimated pass faced --

      1. Ronde Barber 0.535
      2. Marlin Jackson 0.618
      3. Nnamdi Asomugha 0.638
      4. Terence Newman 0.818
      5. Charles Tillman 0.902
      6. Fred Bennett 0.908
      7. Will Allen 0.909
      8. Carlos Rogers 0.913
      9. Deshea Townsend 0.921
      10. Travis Fisher 0.930

      I suspect that Barber and Jackson benefitted somewhat from their teams' zone defensive schemes, which lower the number of times Joyner determines that they're in "direct coverage," as well as the length of the passes they're defending. I'll see what Football Outsiders says they allowed when their book arrives in the next week or so. (I'm still trying to get STATS' numbers from 2007.)

      Here were the bottom 10 "shutdown" cornerbacks for 2007 --

      72. David Barrett 1.689
      73. Ike Taylor 1.737
      74. Corey Ivy 1.759
      75. William James 1.832
      76. Chris Houston 1.901
      77. Demarcus Faggins 1.925
      78. Travis Daniels 2.022
      79. Lewis Sanders 2.030
      80. Stanley Wilson 2.144
      81. Jason David 2.562

      If you're wondering, Anthony Henry ranked 44th (1.285), and Jacques Reeves ranked 69th (1.632).

      Some other notable cornerbacks -- Charles Woodson 12th (0.959), Shawn Springs 18th (1.000), DeAngelo Hall 21st (1.016), Champ Bailey 28th (1.115), Asante Samuel 31st (1.14), Sheldon Brown 33rd (1.147), Marcus Trufant 38th (1.212), Al Harris 49th (1.378) and Lito Sheppard 67th (1.601).

      While Jacques Reeves was nicknamed "The Human Target" by Football Outsiders because of his overall target percentage, Joyner's numbers show that several other players were targeted a higher percentage of the time that they were on the field. Reeves was targeted on 20.6 percent of his estimated pass plays faced, which ranked 75th (seventh-worst) out of 81. The highest target percentage was Fakhir Brown's 21.7 percent. Lito Sheppard and Anthony Henry both finished just outside the bottom 10, at 19.7 percent and 19.5 percent, respectively. Marcus Trufant had the most total targets, 111, and was 67th in target percentage (19.1).

      The lowest target percentages belonged to Marlin Jackson (8.7), Nnamdi Asomugha (9.1) and Ronde Barber (10.9). Again, I suspect that Jackson's and Barber's coverage schemes and Joyner's "direct coverage" standards lowered their numbers. Newman finished with the 13th-lowest target percentage, 13.5 percent.

      Some other notes about Joyner's numbers adjusted for playing time and attempts --

      -- Newman allowed only 9.8 yards per catch/defensive penalty, which was the fourth-best. As noted above, his yards allowed per estimated pass play also was the fourth-best, at 0.818. So even with injuries all season, he still was one of the top shutdown cornerbacks in the league. In Joyner's main metric, yards allowed per target (he calls it YPA), Newman was ninth-best (6.07). In SYPA (success percentage times yards per target), Newman was 22nd, which is still quite good, but he gets dragged down by his success percentage (a below-average 62.1). Whether it was because of his foot injuries or Wade Phillips' softer coverages, Newman was targeted a little more (not much, as he still was 13th-best in target percentage) and allowed a higher percentage of successful short passes than he typically does. But the overall result was yet another "shutdown" season for Newman.

      -- Asomugha had by far the lowest "unsuccessful play" ratio, with one catch or defensive penalty every 29.4 pass attempts he faced (the next-best was 17.7). But he had one of the highest yards allowed per unsuccessful play -- 18.8, which ranked 79th out of 81. So he was almost never targeted or beaten, but when he was beaten, he often gave up big chunks of yardage.

      -- Carlos Rogers played only seven games but put up some good numbers (eighth-best in yards allowed per estimated pass play). Like Asomugha, he also gave up some big chunks of yardage when he was beaten -- he was 75th in yards allowed per catch/defensive penalty (16.2).

      Of course, none of these stats should be considered precise, as Joyner's numbers are subjective and will differ from those compiled by Football Outsiders and STATS, and the number of pass plays faced is merely an estimate based on the team's total and the player's playing time percentage. And as with any stats, each player's numbers are at least partly affected by his assignments, his teammates, the quality of his opponents, etc. But I think they're a pretty good start for making better use of Joyner's numbers than what he does with them.

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      • Via rotoworld:

        The Cowboys are "very close" to finalizing a multi-year contract with franchise player Ken Hamlin, according to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.
        For some perspective on what the terms may be, Troy Polamalu signed a five-year, $33 million deal in July of 2007 and Bob Sanders got five years, $37.5 million from Indianapolis last December. Hamlin isn't quite as good as those two, but a $30 million extension through 2012 might be a reasonable price tag.
        source: http://startelegram.typepad.com/cowb...ys-hamlin.html


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        • That's what I was coming to post, good news, and again judging from where we should be on the cap we have the room to sign Canty and Hamlin both so I don't think its a 1 guy or the other type deal...Signing Hamlin to a deal right now instead of him signing the Tag tender would free up more cap space anyway, because he would be making less this yr then he would with the tag applied.


          I expect it to be done before Training Camp, and Canty to be signed before the season is out.





          Originally posted by Scott Wright
          I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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          • Hamlin is also gonna be on the Jim Rome show for anybody that's at home, I'm gonna catch it and see what they talk about.





            Originally posted by Scott Wright
            I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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            • Hamlin only has until tomorrow to get the long-term deal done. That's the deadline...so, it has to get done. I'm sure it will because, it sounds almost done.

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              • Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
                Crayton was only signed for four years, 14 million, I challenge anybody to find a WR on their second contract who has produced the way Crayton has as a 7th rd pick and makes less then that, that contract is literally scraps, how could anybody not be happy about that? I agree I wanted Hardy to, but your telling me you would of preferred we saved the pennies from that contract and let him walk, and be looking at TO, Hurd as a 2, and Austin as a 3? That's asking a bit much considering Austin hasn't shown up consistently in a real game.
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                • Originally posted by GB12 View Post
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                  I still think Driver is making more on the overall deal, I believe both were four years and Driver's was 17 million with Crayton's being 14 million, also Crayton makes 1 million this year and Driver makes 3...But that was more due to the fact that Driver was 31 when he signed his deal and Crayton was 27.


                  It's still close enough, point being you won't find too many :) And I'll take on Crayton's 1 million dollar salary for 800 yds and 7 TD's anyday.





                  Originally posted by Scott Wright
                  I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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                  • I saw Kerry Rhodes signed for 5 years and 33.5 mil. on his recent contract (end of last season?)

                    IMO Hamlin shouldn't get a dime more than this. Just because the raiders overpaid for Wilson doesn't mean we should overpay for Hamlin. Anything over 34 mil for Hamlin is overpaying and I'm not even sure he should get that much. IMO Kerry Rhodes is a bit better than Ken and the pay should reflect that.

                    I'll be really upset if we jeopardize signing Canty long term for this.

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                    • I believe that Hamlin will NOT get a long term deal and be forced to sign the one year franchise tender. I'm fine with this as long as it leads to a long term deal for Canty. Additionally, this will light a fire under Hamlin's butt to get it done again this year.

                      One other thought, I would take Ware getting a long term deal over both Canty & Hamlin anyday.

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                      • Nah, I think Jerry wants a deal done for Hamlin and it's going to get done one way or another, he's not afraid to take it up to the deadline if he has too...And again, we have room for both guys so I don't know why everybody thinks its 1 or the other, we had to take priorities first and lock up some other guys, but Canty won't be going anywhere...Just because he will be last in line to get a deal worked out, doesn't mean the contracts ahead of him will restrict him from getting signed, we never let young talent walk away without locking them up, I'm not worried one bit.





                        Originally posted by Scott Wright
                        I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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                        • im with leroy on this one. Ware is far more important than the others.
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                          • Yes he is but, there is absolutely no way we lose Ware. So you shouldnt even really be worrying about that.

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                            • Again via rotoworld

                              ESPN's John Clayton seconds a Fort Worth Star-Telegram report that Dallas is close to reaching a long-term deal with franchise player Ken Hamlin.
                              Clayton says the contract will be for six years and keep Hamlin in Dallas until his career is over. It's probably in the $36-$40 million range. Hamlin's agent is currently in Big D hammering out details with owner Jerry Jones
                              http://www.rotoworld.com/content/clu...FL&majteam=daL


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                              • Originally posted by HEISMANHERSCHEL View Post
                                im with leroy on this one. Ware is far more important than the others.
                                Come on guys, Ware's contract isn't up for what another 2 years? Do you really think Jerry is that asinine to not afford Ware? I mean seriously, Ware shouldn't even be worth worrying about, he will be re-signed, some of you guys worry way too much...Again, if you can think of just one young talented player we have ever had, that we didn't resign, then feel free to worry, but Ware is the best defensive player we have had in 10 years, is the model citizen and never misses a game, he will retire a Cowboy more then likely, and it's just silly to be "worried" about it...You guys act like if we re-sign a few guys this year, that means we cannot sign anybody else 2 years from now, give it some time, teams don't let the best defensive player walk away, guys who have been following our team for some time know this isn't even an issue.





                                Originally posted by Scott Wright
                                I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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