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  • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
    Martellus is still working through it. He'll make a hell of a block or reception and then follow that up with a boneheaded play. He's seen some 1st team reps already, though...so, that's a good sign but, he still has a long way to go. I def. think he'll get there, in time. Hell of a talented player. Dont be shocked if Curtis beats him out initially, though...Bennett is still rather raw.
    Yeah, i wouldn't expect him to come out and be seen much the first few games of the season, but i do wanna see some of the ideas that the coaching staff has . I mean, if we could line up in 2TE sets, we'd still have threats on the outside and a sound enough ground game to make you respect it, there would be a ton of options to go to. Martellus will be a huge mismatch for most LB's and a lot of S's.

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    • Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
      C'mon man, who roots against their own team just to bad mouth Parcells? Hell, i'd hope i could give him some props for some of his picks, but i can't. Bobby's talented, no doubt, but his whole initial career has been derailed by all the moving around and scheme changing. It just sucks cause he's gonna go out somewhere else and play great.
      Sarcasm, my man, sarcasm.... I'm actually in disbelief that Carp has no somehow fallen behind Rogers.

      Maybe the post came off too harsh. I was just pointing out that for as good of a late round drafter/UDFA pickup guy that BP is (Barber, Ratliff, Canty, Bradie, Romo , Hurd, Austin) He sure seems to miss on all the early prospects.

      I love BP. I think he grounded Romo initially and kept him from going "Hollywood" and i think after romo did get a little too hollywood last year, he realized all of the things BP had been talking about. Take notice that Romo is completely different this year. No media fun, no smiling -- he's all business.

      I also think BP is the reason behind D-ware being what he is. Notice that Shawne Merriman is essentially a 1 trick pony. He's a great pass rusher, but leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to coverage and playing the run. He isn't horrible, but he definately isn't Ware. I think this is because Wade basically developed Shawne to just rush, while BP made sure D-ware was mindful of all of his assignments and probably didn't work enough on his rush.

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      • I'm not sure Bobby will ever play great. I feel like there is a certain point when ones confidence can be shattered beyond repair.

        Also, why is everyone so sure that he is talented and would flourish elsewhere? He had 1 game in Seattle that was ok. I mean really, everyone calls it a break out game but all I remember is him not intercepting a ball that would have sealed the deal.

        Plus, if Wade and the coaching staff really had a big problem with him and was planning on burying him on the depth chart why did we keep him? Why not trade him on draft day? He will surely lose even more value after another TC in which he fails to crack the roster.

        I think Wade and Co. really wanted to give him a shot, but he just blows. I mean a bust is a bust. I don't know why everyone is so against call him that. He, Julius, and Spears are all busts in my mind.

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        • Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
          I think Fasano is actually a pretty good TE. He just doesn't fit the spread offense of Garrett and won't beat out Witten for the starting spot. I expect him to be solid for Miami.

          Spears...i guess he's just playing the wrong position. If he's a FA, id love for the Giants to nab him as a 4-3 NT. I think Spears will be a very very good 4-3 NT in the right scheme. He's just not a 3-4 guy, and he's not a pass rusher. Not big enough to be a 3-4 NT either and probably never will be.

          Carp doesn't fit Wade's scheme. He wouldve broke out in Parcell's scheme on the outside, but he's not an ILB in the 3-4. Dallas has done a poor job handling him. He'll leave and flourish somewhere else.

          He has to get back up to 265 though if he wants to be a 3-4 OLB again. If not, he needs to go to a 4-3 as a SAM.


          Spears has came out and said he would be willing to play some snaps as a NT for us, so that might mean he comes back for a cheap price, he really is great against the run, just doesn't provide the impact you expect from a 1st rounder but far from a bust.


          Carp I agree had he stuck in Parcell's scheme he would of done alot better, he doesn't fit Wade's at all, which is why I'm surprised he didn't end up in Miami also.


          Bennett has had some mental lapses but its early, he wasn't utilized properly at A&M so lets let him work the kinks out right now in training camp, I have read his blocking has been great though which would let us split out Witten alot more.



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          Originally posted by Scott Wright
          I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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          • Originally posted by Burns336 View Post
            I think Wade and Co. really wanted to give him a shot, but he just blows. I mean a bust is a bust. I don't know why everyone is so against call him that. He, Julius, and Spears are all busts in my mind.
            Erasmus James, the other DE taken in the 1st rd that year, is a bust, guys who get cut are bust, Spears is far from a bust...He still has earned his starting role, is great against the run, and still has a spot after all this time, thats not a bust...He may of not lived up to expectations of a 1st rounder, but ask the Vikings if they would of taken what we got from Spears instead of squat from James...Spears still contributes to our defense, he may play more like a 3rd rounder but he's not a bust, he is a solid player, we have pass rushers(Hatcher, Canty) that enable him to come out passing downs, so I don't see a problem with how he is utilized, alot different then Carpenter who doesn't contribute anything but ST to our team.





            Originally posted by Scott Wright
            I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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            • Spears gets a bad rap because he's not a good pass rusher, but I think he's one of the better run stuffers that we have. Also, the fact that many of us just expected a better player out of him and he's never really lived up to it.

              He's not a bad player by any means, he's just not what we fully expected. In run defense, I want Spears somewhere on the field. Against the pass.... eh... I'd rather have a 6th DB on the field. LOL.

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              • Originally posted by themaninblack View Post
                What is the story on Bobby Carpenter? Thought he was really gonna be a stud.
                He's too slow and his strength or athleticism don't make up for it. He's another one of those guys that fit Parcells' scheme, but not ours. ...like Anthony Fasano. Really surprised to still see him on the roster. If he can provide solid depth, we'll take it... but that was a wasted pick. Or... Phillips made him a wasted pick by selecting Anthony Spencer... who I've always had doubts about himself.

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                • Also as far as Newman's injury, let him rest, he doesn't even need to play much in the pre-season, not like he needs the reps...Let Adam Jones take them with the 1st team, let Jenkins get some snaps with the 1st unit(as he was already the most ready corner in the draft), these guys could use the extra snaps before pre-season...Last thing I want is another season with Henry and Newman banged up the entire year, looks like drafting all those corners was definately a smart thing.



                  And D that was a wasted pick on Carp, I still remember how Manny Lawson was sitting there, and how he would of been crazy in our scheme right now...Alot faster, alot more athleticism, Carpenter had Parcells written all over him.





                  Originally posted by Scott Wright
                  I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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                  • Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
                    Also as far as Newman's injury, let him rest, he doesn't even need to play much in the pre-season, not like he needs the reps...Let Adam Jones take them with the 1st team, let Jenkins get some snaps with the 1st unit(as he was already the most ready corner in the draft), these guys could use the extra snaps before pre-season...Last thing I want is another season with Henry and Newman banged up the entire year, looks like drafting all those corners was definately a smart thing.



                    And D that was a wasted pick on Carp, I still remember how Manny Lawson was sitting there, and how he would of been crazy in our scheme right now...Alot faster, alot more athleticism, Carpenter had Parcells written all over him.
                    The one and only good thing about Tnew's injury is that guys like Jenkins, Ball and Scandrik will get more reps.

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                    • No thanks on Lawson. The guy is just waaaay too thin to be an effective every down player, and hasn't done squat to impress me thus far.

                      The one that got away, if there is one, is Antonio Cromartie. SD took him the very next pick, most thought it was a reach, and now it looks like a serious steal. That's who I would take given a redo of the deal.

                      Carp gets a lot of criticism here, but the dude has serious skills. Not sure where everyone gets the "slow" tag from, cause he looks plenty fast enough every time I see him. The guy looks the part of a Pro Bowl LB, he just makes far too many mental mistakes and doesn't play fast--again, the by product of mental deficiency. I think he is the prototype SLB in a 4-3 scheme, and might even thrive inside in that alignment. I do believe he becomes a solid player elsewhere.
                      Originally posted by 21ST
                      He was protecting his self
                      Originally posted by tjsunstein
                      From what? His leg?
                      Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
                      That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
                      "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

                      DeMarcus Ware

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                      • Originally posted by DMWSackMachine View Post
                        No thanks on Lawson. The guy is just waaaay too thin to be an effective every down player, and hasn't done squat to impress me thus far.

                        The one that got away, if there is one, is Antonio Cromartie. SD took him the very next pick, most thought it was a reach, and now it looks like a serious steal. That's who I would take given a redo of the deal.

                        Carp gets a lot of criticism here, but the dude has serious skills. Not sure where everyone gets the "slow" tag from, cause he looks plenty fast enough every time I see him. The guy looks the part of a Pro Bowl LB, he just makes far too many mental mistakes and doesn't play fast--again, the by product of mental deficiency. I think he is the prototype SLB in a 4-3 scheme, and might even thrive inside in that alignment. I do believe he becomes a solid player elsewhere.
                        Besides the fact that Carp has barely seen the field and it's hard to tell what kind of real game speed he consistently can have... So far, to be fair, he's looked adequate at times and slow at times. But basically, I call him slow comparatively speaking. Not like he's a 4.5 guy or anything.

                        Gotta love the way the Chargers draft. They have made some great picks under AJ Smith. ...except I don't like WR Craig Davis. They got Antoine Cason this year and I bet he'll be a big time stud. Hope he's not better than Jenkins though.
                        Last edited by D-Unit; 07-29-2008, 05:13 PM.

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                        • I still consider spears a bust. Yeah he isn't Erasmus James bust-ish, but I just consider underachievers busts.

                          If we would have taken him at 11 and not had DeMarcus Ware on the roster, I'm sure everyone would change their tune a little bit.

                          I've read that both Hatcher and Ratliff look better at DE than Spears and I think this is the year we finally see some retooling on the defense that we've all been waiting for. No more leaving in underachievers based on what we wish they all could be.

                          Roy will be completely removed from passing downs, instead of being some make shift LB.

                          I think Spears will see less and less time and eventually be supplanted by the Ratliff/Hatcher combo.

                          I think KB will be used more frequently and is first in line if Thomas were to go down due to concussions or anyting else.

                          And finally, I think Ellis may begin the season starting, but Spencer will have that job by the end of the year. Ellis needs to be turned into a Pass Rush Specialist. He simply doesn't make plays against the run. Look at his tackle numbers. It's absolutely pathetic.

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                          • Spears has been having a great camp...and Ratliff hasnt seen much time at End at all yet...and he is constantly commanding double teams at the nose. I think Spears job is pretty safe and I cant see Ratliff making a full time move to End...he's just too good of a NT. Spears/Hatcher are good in their rotational roles and I think it's going to stay that way for this upcoming season, atleast.

                            edit...Also, Grantham has taken Spears under his wing and has been working w/ him exclusively after practices. Grantham is known for his little pet projects and he has chosenn Spears to be that next project.
                            Last edited by M.O.T.H.; 07-29-2008, 05:44 PM.

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                            • I still don't understand what Carp has to do to be considered a bust. Everyone is still making excuses for him. It's like waiting for Julius Jones to break out. It's not gonna happen.

                              Then, just like Julius, He will head to another team where he "fits the scheme" and people will predict a career resurrection and they will be sorely disappointed when the player fails again. He just isn't good enough to play in the league. We would have traded him if we didn't want him. Fact is, the Cowboy coaches are waiting for him to pan out as well and it just isn't happening.

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                              • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
                                Spears has been having a great camp...and Ratliff hasnt seen much time at End at all...and he is constantly commanding double teams at the nose. I think Spears job is pretty safe and I cant see Ratliff making a full time move to End...he's just too good of a NT.
                                No not full time, but you know as well as I do he is an upgrade over Spears at DE. The fact that Tank is having a great camp and is probably going to earn a little time at NT means that Rat could be moved over to DE which lands spears on the bench.

                                All of that aside, Jason Hatcher is better than spears anyway. Even if Rat doesn't move over, I still think Hatcher will bump spears out. Last year Hatcher was the far better player for this scheme, in far less time.

                                If we go back to the basics of the Phillips 3-4 we should all remember it is a defense that uses an attacking style and a ton of pressure to create sacks and turnovers. We need to get pressure from our ends to let this scheme reach its full potential and Spears isn't going to give us that.

                                I'm just throwin out my thoughts and predictions. Obviously none of this can be determined to be smart or stupid thinking on my part until we get into the season.

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