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  • Originally posted by Burns336 View Post
    Roy Williams better make an impact this year. Otherwise we could have waited for him to become a FA and signed him to the same contract without giving up 3 draft picks.

    Make no mistake, Jerry was anticipating results this year. Hopefully they start clicking.
    Errrm... Wrong Burns. The Lions would've traded him before he hit FA. So that thought doesn't really work. On the other hand, getting him now versus in the offseason gives him an earlier start to gel and get acquainted... not to mention... help us now.

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    • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
      Romo is off a bit...w/ the hand but, the way he is buying time and throwing while running has been excellent. He also looks rather sharp in the decision making department...except for the backward pass to Choice and one scary one he forced to Roy Williams. Oh yeah, that deep ball looks beautiful as well. Now, he'll have some bad throws but, I actually feel much more confident in Romo today than i did earlier in the season when he still had the numbers but, a very lowered morale. For playing w/ a bum finger...he and his overall precense have been impressive. Romo's restored confidence and attitude have really helped rejuvinate a struggling passing attack. They should just continue to gel w/ more time.

      I saw some film breakdown and he looked even more impressive, on a few of those deep balls to TO he looked off the safety to the left then came back right before he threw, the TD to TO was vintage Romo in that the line didn't even have proper protection, funny thing is with any other QB that's a sack and it looks bad on our line but with Romo he can make things out of nothing...He avoided 2 players who had beat their block and bought enough time to find TO deep, and his touch is there again.


      Showed me that our line is still struggling at times, and of course it gets magnified with another QB back there and overlooked when Tony is back at QB...We have alot of injuries but as much talent as we have it's no excuse, I am excited to see our offense vs Baltimore, Giants, and the Steelers this next month to see how well we are really clicking.





      Originally posted by Scott Wright
      I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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      • Originally posted by Burns336 View Post
        Roy Williams better make an impact this year. Otherwise we could have waited for him to become a FA and signed him to the same contract without giving up 3 draft picks.
        There is probably a 1% chance we would of gotten Roy for the same price tag in Free Agency when other teams would be in a bidding war for his services....I'm pretty sure Roy would of collected more, and I'm not expecting huge stats or results because of how many playmakers we have, I just hope when teams start shifting coverage to TO Romo starts to find Roy in those single coverages.





        Originally posted by Scott Wright
        I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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        • Originally posted by Hitman D View Post
          Can't wait to see what he writes after this game.
          http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/ar...the-49ers.html

          I wish they would source me in their articles but here you go ......

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          • Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
            There is probably a 1% chance we would of gotten Roy for the same price tag in Free Agency when other teams would be in a bidding war for his services....I'm pretty sure Roy would of collected more, and I'm not expecting huge stats or results because of how many playmakers we have, I just hope when teams start shifting coverage to TO Romo starts to find Roy in those single coverages.
            I liked the trade for one reason only -- to get rid of TO in the future.

            But there is a 1% chance anyone else would have given Williams anything beyond what Jones provided. Williams was not even a #1 in Detroit anymore and he is the most expensive #2 in the history of the NFL.

            We have up a boatload for a guy we could have gotten this past off season for a #1. Instead we gave up 3 picks in mid-season b/c Jones is a "Big Name Ho" with no faith in the staff's ability to develop a young guy.

            I mean, Jerry, was the guy who STILL thought Bledsoe was the answer even after BP shat canned him for Romo. This says everything that can be said over his player personnel skills IMHO.

            We have not have a clue how to evaluate internal talent and systematically over-rate other teams' players/talent. Drew Henson anyone?

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            • Originally posted by shane_man View Post
              After head2head it becomes Conference record. We are at 5-4 in conference while the Skins are 6-3.
              I've done quite a bit of reading on the tiebreaking procedures (they could be HUGE this season), and here's what I've determined. Since it's unlikely we'll win the division, I'll concern myself mainly with the wild card.

              -The first tie breaker is always head-to-head. So that means we split with Washington, we're up right now on Philly, and win against TB and Green Bay. The other contenders we haven't played and won't play.

              -The second tie breaker, for a wild card berth depends on the circumstances. If the two teams seeking to break a tie are from the same division, then the second factor is division record:

              Originally posted by NFL.com
              TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM
              If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.

              If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
              If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.
              If not, then conference record is the second tie breaker. Our conference record is currently 5-4; the Skins are at 6-3, the Falcons and Panthers 5-3, the Bears also 5-4, the Vikings 4-3, and the Saints 3-4. Since our division record is 2-2, as is the Redskins', then the third intra-division tiebreaker is applied (conference record).

              -If, persay, we end the season tied with the multiple teams for the wildcard spot, then the first tiebreaker that is broken is within the division. So our head-to-head matchup with Washington will count (but will not break the tie), then our division records will be matched up. Both the Cowboys and Redskins each play the Giants and Eagles in these last 5 weeks, so whoever wins more of those two games carries a tiebreaking advantage. If the division records are the same, then the team with the best conference record advances in the tie-breaking.

              Ok, I think that pretty much settles the ground rules. Now for some conclusions:

              -To get into the playoffs, we're going to have to finish ahead of at least one (of the big three teams from the NFC South. That team is pretty obviously Atlanta, which not only is, I think in all of our opinions the weakest of the three contenders, but also seems to have the hardest schedule (@SD, @NO, TB, @MIN, STL). Only one of those games should be easy wins for the Falcons...I think at best they end up at 10-6 (although if they continue to play the way they did against Carolina it could be a different story).

              The next easiest team to catch theoretically would be Tampa, since we're a game back of them and have essentially an extra half-game on them due to the now seemingly crucial Brad Johnson victory match. But not so fast. Tampa now has a division lead on Carolina, thanks to their earlier season win over the Panthers. The two teams play each other December 8th, and if Carolina wins, then the teams should essentially be even (assuming Tampa wins this weak against NO, and Carolina against GB) due to their split head-to-head record and identical division mark. The Bucs would still have a half game conference record lead, which might prove crucial as Carolina faces both the Giants and the Saints away from home the last two weeks of the season. Remember, in order for our tie-breaker with the Buccs to become active, we need them to NOT win the division tie-breaker, so that Tampa is in contention for a wild card spot, not already in possession of a division title. It is entirely possible that we are positioned better than Tampa Bay, but still don't make the playoffs, since our tie-breaker is not against them.

              That being said, Carolina and Washington must be the teams we keep in our sights. Carolina has one of the toughest remaining schedules (@GB, TB, DEN, @NYG, @NO) and they've played like crap the last 3 weeks. If they win 3 games, and I'd expect one of those to be against non-conference Denver, then their conference record would be 7-5 and stand at 11-5 on the season. If we somehow also got to 11-5, even if we lost to the Giants, our conference record would also be 7-5, moving us to the 4th tiebreaker--strength of victory--which is almost impossible to project or calculate.

              Bottom line, we need some help to get into the playoffs. The best thing we can do obviously is to win out, but if we can't do that, then our most important goals must be beating the Giants and Eagles so that we gain two more conference wins and two more division wins.

              I hope that clears things up.

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              • Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
                There is probably a 1% chance we would of gotten Roy for the same price tag in Free Agency when other teams would be in a bidding war for his services....I'm pretty sure Roy would of collected more, and I'm not expecting huge stats or results because of how many playmakers we have, I just hope when teams start shifting coverage to TO Romo starts to find Roy in those single coverages.
                I think you make a good point. I think in a year or two, when some of these FA contracts by WR are signed, we'll actually be getting RW for a bargain.
                In war, you win or lose, live or die - and the difference is just an eyelash.


                -Douglas MacArthur

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                • The Lions 100% absolutely without a shadow of a doubt would have franchised RW if they hadn't traded him by the deadline. You can count on that. Young players like him simply do not get on the UFA market anymore except under the most unusual of circumstances, and even then they almost always have already been tagged at least once and worked out a deal with their old team that prohibited them from being tagged again. There is no way in hell that we would have gotten a shot at signing RW in UFA. Anyone who thinks so doesn't know the NFL.
                  Originally posted by 21ST
                  He was protecting his self
                  Originally posted by tjsunstein
                  From what? His leg?
                  Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
                  That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
                  "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

                  DeMarcus Ware

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                  • Originally posted by johnstonolb View Post
                    I liked the trade for one reason only -- to get rid of TO in the future.

                    But there is a 1% chance anyone else would have given Williams anything beyond what Jones provided. Williams was not even a #1 in Detroit anymore and he is the most expensive #2 in the history of the NFL.

                    We have up a boatload for a guy we could have gotten this past off season for a #1. Instead we gave up 3 picks in mid-season b/c Jones is a "Big Name Ho" with no faith in the staff's ability to develop a young guy.

                    I mean, Jerry, was the guy who STILL thought Bledsoe was the answer even after BP shat canned him for Romo. This says everything that can be said over his player personnel skills IMHO.

                    We have not have a clue how to evaluate internal talent and systematically over-rate other teams' players/talent. Drew Henson anyone?
                    See the reason I don't value your opinion much is because you let your emotions control your logic.

                    There's no reason to think that TO hurts this team, yet you will label him a problem because you don't like something about him.

                    Roy was going to get #1 WR type money in FA. You'd be a fool to think anything else. Anquan Boldin is a #2 receiver. If he hits FA, do you think he'll be paid like a #2 WR? Where's your logic at? Guys don't get paid for where they were on the depth chart, they get paid according to talent. Michael Turner was a backup... Did he get paid like a back up by ATL? I think you should rethink your logic.

                    As far as developing talent... What do you think is a good percentage rate when you look across the board at all teams? When you look at our team, do you find a bunch of high paid FA imports or do you see homegrown talent? Hmm.... Big Name Ho??? The only high priced FA pick ups we have are Leonard Davis, TO, Roy, Henry and Hamlin... The rest of the team is homegrown or cheap FA labor! Someone needs to get a clue. How can we be so poor at developing talent considering what we have in these players: Romo, Barber, Felix, Choice, Anderson, Gurode, Flozell, Austin, Hurd, Witten, Bennett, Spears, Canty, Ratliff, Ware, Burnett, James, Carpenter, Ellis, Spencer, Newman, Jenkins, Scandrick, Watkins, Williams? ...Yet Jerry is an idiot who only spends talent to bring in Big Name Ho's to get his job done?

                    You wanna bring up Drew Henson... lmao. Every GM has a Drew Henson story or worse.

                    You can say Jerry hasn't won a playoff game or SB with that roster, but you can't say we only have a team of high priced FA acquisitions and don't know how to develop talent. Again, I just see someone tying emotional hatred to Jerry to justify their logic.
                    Last edited by D-Unit; 11-25-2008, 02:47 PM.

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                    • You're fooling yourself if you think that no one would've given Roy this contract. Call me back in the offseason when a borderline #2 receiver will get a bigger contract. Javon Walker got a 55 milion dollars contract for god's sake! Lee Evans got a big contract for being a deep threat.
                      Contracts numbers rise every year in the NFL. I still remember when anyone was bashing Jerry Jones for the contract he gave to Bigg Davis.
                      And anyway, even if we overpayed for Roy why are you so upset? Is he stealing your money? No, Jerry Jones is paying him. So as long as tthe contract doesn't hurt the team and you're able to stay under the cap (and we've been very very good in cap management) I have no problem with spending the big money. It's Jerry Jones' money, not mine.
                      Look at the Redskins. Every year we say they're screwed, they got no cap space, they need to cut a lot of players but every year they're able to keep the guys they want and even add some FAs.


                      In Bob We Trust

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                      • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                        As far as developing talent... What do you think is a good percentage rate when you look across the board at all teams? When you look at our team, do you find a bunch of high paid FA imports or do you see homegrown talent? Hmm.... Big Name Ho??? The only high priced FA pick ups we have are Leonard Davis, TO, Roy, Henry and Hamlin... The rest of the team is homegrown or cheap FA labor! Someone needs to get a clue. How can we be so poor at developing talent considering what we have in these players: Romo, Barber, Felix, Choice, Anderson, Gurode, Flozell, Austin, Hurd, Witten, Bennett, Spears, Canty, Ratliff, Ware, Burnett, James, Carpenter, Ellis, Spencer, Newman, Jenkins, Scandrick, Watkins, Williams? ...Yet Jerry is an idiot who only spends talent to bring in Big Name Ho's to get his job done?

                        You wanna bring up Drew Henson... lmao. Every GM has a Drew Henson story or worse.

                        You can say Jerry hasn't won a playoff game or SB with that roster, but you can't say we only have a team of high priced FA acquisitions and don't know how to develop talent. Again, I just see someone tying emotional hatred to Jerry to justify their logic.
                        I don't disagree. They all have their hits and misses. It's just really frustrating when your ability to function as an offense is dependent upon a guard! There really is no excuse for not having a servicable guard. Imagine what would happen if Flo, Geroude or Columbo went down.
                        In war, you win or lose, live or die - and the difference is just an eyelash.


                        -Douglas MacArthur

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                        • Originally posted by Macarthur View Post
                          I don't disagree. They all have their hits and misses. It's just really frustrating when your ability to function as an offense is dependent upon a guard! There really is no excuse for not having a servicable guard. Imagine what would happen if Flo, Geroude or Columbo went down.
                          I'm confused. What makes you think our offense is dependent on a Guard?

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                          • Can anybody remind me if there is a guy we drafted and then let go that is flourishing elsewhere? I can't think of anyone. Is there someone we should be kicking ourselves over for letting go?

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                            • I can only think of Jimmy Smith the WR who was good in Jacksonville, but that was a while ago.

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                              • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                                I'm confused. What makes you think our offense is dependent on a Guard?

                                Not totally, but have you seen the numbers when Kosier is in versus out? I know he's not the only factor, but there is a correlation.

                                No, I can't think of anyone we've let go, but we've drafted several linemen, as well as the trade, and not one of them can beat out Proctor (UFA) that is barely serviceable.

                                Now this from Wade's press conf.:

                                Montrae Holland might start Thursday

                                Tim MacMahon
                                Wade Phillips seemed to pooh-pooh the idea of Montrae Holland starting at left guard instead of Cory Procter yesterday. Now, the Cowboys are seriously considering starting Holland, who got some first-team reps during today's light practice.

                                "We like Holland," Phillips said. "We liked him when he got him. It's taken a little while for him to blend in and meld and know what to do. I think it's time to play him a little more, especially with [Kyle] Kosier out."

                                Phillips made it sound like the Cowboys could make a decision tomorrow on whether Kosier will have season-ending surgery on his foot. They're waiting on a second opinion.
                                In war, you win or lose, live or die - and the difference is just an eyelash.


                                -Douglas MacArthur

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