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  • I was certainly ready for Hatcher and Bowen to battle it out for a starting job. And I was probably in the minority in thinking Bowen may have won that job. All he did was make plays last year. He's a big bodied guy with some talent. I like what I see out of Bowen.

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    • If Bowen stays the same, he'll meet expectations. He's no better than a Kenyon Coleman was for us.

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      • Coleman went on to become a pretty damn good end with the Jets. He wasnt as great last year but, his first year there he was a great player for them. Supplied them with 80 something tackles that year and a good amount of consistant pressure. Bowen shows flashes, I def. see starting potential in him.

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        • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
          Coleman went on to become a pretty damn good end with the Jets. He wasnt as great last year but, his first year there he was a great player for them. Supplied them with 80 something tackles that year and a good amount of consistant pressure. Bowen shows flashes, I def. see starting potential in him.
          And today, the NYJs are looking for an upgrade at his spot. Serviceable? Yes. Pretty damn good? Sounds like an exaggeration. Bowen is a nice back up to have. Expecting him to be a good starting NFL DE is hoping for too much.

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          • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
            And today, the NYJs are looking for an upgrade at his spot. Serviceable? Yes. Pretty damn good? Sounds like an exaggeration. Bowen is a nice back up to have. Expecting him to be a good starting NFL DE is hoping for too much.
            I said he was better in the 1st year...he could be upgraded upon but, he's still not bad at all. You dont need 3-4 ends to be super star players...they rarely are. Coleman is still a starter right now even with the addition of Douglas. He's a good 3-4 end. Great? No, not after the way he played last season but, good enough to start and play effectively for you. Saying Bowen is about as good as Spears wouldnt be a stretch and Spears has been starting for us for four years.
            Last edited by M.O.T.H.; 04-01-2009, 04:02 PM.

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            • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
              I said he was better in the 1st year...he could be upgraded upon but, he's still not bad at all. You dont need 3-4 ends to be super star players...they rarely are. Coleman is still a starter right now even with the addition of Douglas. He's a good 3-4 end. Great? No, not after the way he played last season but, good enough to start and play effectively for you. Saying Bowen is about as good as Spears wouldnt be a stretch and Spears has been starting for us for four years.
              Enough about Coleman. He sucks. He's the definition of mediocre and Bowen is the same. Spears doesn't start because he's good. If Bowen started over him that's no surprise at all. But we'd still have a mediocre DE as a starter in Bowen. We still have major issues on the DL and I hope the draft solves it.

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              • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                Enough about Coleman. He sucks. He's the definition of mediocre and Bowen is the same. Spears doesn't start because he's good. If Bowen started over him that's no surprise at all. But we'd still have a mediocre DE as a starter in Bowen. We still have major issues on the DL and I hope the draft solves it.
                A couple things lead to him starting. Firstly, he's a former 1st round pick who makes more than the other ends and secondly, he actually was the best end last year among the three. Hatcher hasnt been any good for us and they werent about to start Bowen there last season. Spears is a decent enough end, though. He's not great, no he isnt but again, you dont need amazing ends in a 3-4...and he actually did have a nice season. It's not like we had any problem with pressure a year ago and against the run, we were right there with the likes of the Giants. Maybe if Hamlin could tackle and Thomas wasnt proven to be useless, we would have been better.

                As for the draft...other than potentially drafting a backup NT, that may be all we do there...and they may even decide to go with Junior so, I wouldnt be surprised if it isnt touched. We certainly have enough depth at DE. Gilbert or a Hood wont be there so, end will probably go untouched.
                Last edited by M.O.T.H.; 04-01-2009, 04:26 PM.

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                • I know the conversation has sorta passed, but I thought I would weigh in on Junior Savaii...

                  He's a loser. He's never going to be anything. For some reason Cowboy fans always overrate our players. They expect 5th, 6th, and 7th rounders to end up being something special. Sure, we've had some luck with Hurd, Austin, Ratliff -- but they have all shown improvement with each year.

                  Junior Savaii has been cut year after year and is pretty much just a big body to keep around "just in case..."

                  Maybe Brace isn't the answer, but Savaii is a turd.

                  I remember Brace being better 2 years ago than he was this past year. In fact, I remember Rob coming on here when there was speculation that Raji would come out early and saying he was actually more impressed with the "other player" -- Not to say Rob is the draft guru, but I do remember differing opinions on who the better tackle was 2 years ago.

                  Raji has undoubtedly set himself apart from Brace recently, but that doesn't mean Brace couldn't still be a good/solid player for us.

                  If I had my choice, I'd still rather have Gilbert or Moala at DE and leave Ratliff at nose full time. I'm also intrigued with Chris Baker is the later rounds.

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                  • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
                    A couple things lead to him starting. Firstly, he's a former 1st round pick who makes more than the other ends and secondly, he actually was the best end last year among the three. Hatcher hasnt been any good for us and they werent about to start Bowen there last season. Spears is a decent enough end, though. He's not great, no he isnt but again, you dont need amazing ends in a 3-4...and he actually did have a nice season. It's not like we had any problem with pressure a year ago and against the run, we were right there with the likes of the Giants. Maybe if Hamlin could tackle and Thomas wasnt proven to be useless, we would have been better.

                    As for the draft...other than potentially drafting a backup NT, that may be all we do there...and they may even decide to go with Junior so, I wouldnt be surprised if it isnt touched. We certainly have enough depth at DE. Gilbert or a Hood wont be there so, end will probably go untouched.
                    I have to disagree with this. Spears was the weak point on the line. Teams didn't even bother to run at Canty/Ware -- they just raped Spears/Ellis/Spencer all day.

                    Not saying it's all Spears fault, but he's a big part of it.

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                    • Originally posted by Burns336 View Post
                      I have to disagree with this. Spears was the weak point on the line. Teams didn't even bother to run at Canty/Ware -- they just raped Spears/Ellis/Spencer all day.

                      Not saying it's all Spears fault, but he's a big part of it.
                      Meh...statistically speaking, we were still one of the better defenses last year. They can surely get better on that side but, much of that is to be expected anyway with the fact that Ware is even on the opposing side. Spears actually had a very good season that tends to go unnoticed on here. I do agree, though that it would be nice to see that side step it up...hopefully with a healthy Spencer now starting, we'll see some improvement.

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                      • Originally posted by thule View Post
                        But I was the first to say Cutler to Denver! Rob you must credit me...quit stealing my thoughts....haha I'm j/k but honestly some of the things you say come off as that occasionally. As long as people keep level heads around here...this board is as productive as any out there.
                        Then kudos to you man. Amazing call.

                        I got no problem 'cred'ing guys for presenting original ideas.

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                        • Originally posted by Burns336 View Post
                          I remember Brace being better 2 years ago than he was this past year. In fact, I remember Rob coming on here when there was speculation that Raji would come out early and saying he was actually more impressed with the "other player" -- Not to say Rob is the draft guru, but I do remember differing opinions on who the better tackle was 2 years ago.
                          Good memory.

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                          • I'm going to have to strongly disagree with you MOTH on the Spears front.

                            I'm sure D could voice in on my thoughts...as week 17 we were together and I felt like that was all I talked about. He get collapsed too easy...I don't care if you don't provide a push...but atleast have the technique/strength to maintain your gap assignment. Spears buckles and is moved when double teamed....as a player if you are overwealmed you are tought to drop a knee to help with the leverage....he doesn't do this...instead he gets moved too easily. One on one sure he is ok....but you watch every single 10+ yard gain...I garuntee you if it was to the right side spears was taken out of the play from the snap with a simple double team. If your not going to add anything in the pass rushing game...you sure as hell better be anchoring your position the whole game....Spear doesn't do that...which is why he needs to be upgraded. Aside from calling for Stewart and ST coach fired...I also begged to have our strong side of our defense fixed along with WILB.

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                            • Spears finished 4th on the team in Qb hurries despite not playing on pasing downs. He was actually active in rushing the QB...and he had more tackles for loss than any of our defensive ends. Again, he actually had a good season last year. He's not perfert, not perfect by a long shot but, he has been good enough and you're doing a little bit of over critiquing because, while he hasnt been that 1st round talent, he did happen to put together a good year last year. You talk about 10+ yard gains and yet our rush defense wasn't even a major problem last year at all. Spears got us 35 tackles and our most tackles for loss from a two down player...yeah he may get collapsed upon now and then but no, it was not as glaring a problem you are making it out to be. However, I agree that he can be upgraded upon but, I dont see that happening through this draft. He's coming off a good year and he's most likely starting for us this upcoming season as well and that's just fine.

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                              • Good season...god I hope your not serious.

                                Some real stats for you

                                For some help breaking this down...here is the information before hand...feel free to skip over this to get to the stats.

                                Teams are ranked according to Adjusted Line Yards. Based on regression analysis, the Adjusted Line Yards formula takes all running back carries and assigns responsibility to the offensive line based on the following percentages:

                                * Losses: 120% value
                                * 0-4 Yards: 100% value
                                * 5-10 Yards: 50% value
                                * 11+ Yards: 0% value

                                These numbers are then adjusted based on down, distance, and situation, and normalized so that the league average for Adjusted Line Yards per carry is the same as the league average for RB yards per carry (current baseline: 4.08). Defensive line stats (more accurately, defensive front seven stats) represent the performance of offensive lines against each defense, adjusted for the quality of offensive opponents. These stats are explained further here.

                                The following stats are not adjusted for opponent:

                                * RB Yards: Yards per carry by running backs against this defense, according to standard NFL numbers.
                                * 10+ Yards: Percentage of rushing yards against this team more than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage. Represents yardage not reflected in Adjusted Line Yards stat. Teams are ranked from smallest number of 10+ Yards (#1) to largest number of 10+ Yards (#32).
                                * Power Success: Percentage of runs on third or fourth down, two yards or less to go, that achieved a first down or touchdown. Also includes runs on first-and-goal or second-and-goal from the two-yard line or closer. This is the only statistic on this page that includes quarterbacks. Teams are ranked from lowest power success percentage allowed (#1) to highest power success percentage allowed (#32).
                                * Stuffed: Percentage of runs that result in (on first down) zero or negative gain or (on second through fourth down) less than one-fourth the yards needed for another first down. Ranked from most stuffs (#1) to fewest stuffs (#32).
                                NFL average in red
                                TEAM - DAL
                                Adj. Line Yards - 4.28
                                RB Yards - 4.41 4.25
                                Power Success - 74% 67%
                                Power Rank - 26
                                10+ Yards - 23% 19%
                                10+ Rank - 26
                                Stuffed - 25% 24%
                                Stuffed Rank - 10

                                This second table lists each team's Adjusted Line Yards in each direction listed in official NFL play-by-play, along with rank among the 32 teams. Only five directions are listed because research so far shows no statistically significant difference between how well a team performs on runs listed middle, left guard, and right guard. These runs are from the perspective of the OFFENSE, so a run listed as LEFT TACKLE is actually at the RIGHT defensive end.
                                LEFT END
                                ALY -2.88 4.23
                                Rank - 3
                                LEFT TACKLE
                                ALY - 4.08 4.23
                                Rank - 12
                                MID/GUARD
                                ALY - 4.31 4.26
                                Rank - 18
                                RIGHT TACKLE
                                ALY - 4.81 4.17
                                Rank - 28
                                RIGHT END
                                ALY - 4.99 4.00
                                Rank - 28

                                Lastly...the percentage of rushes and where they went
                                LT- 15% 14%
                                Middle- 45% 50%
                                RT- 21% 14%

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