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  • Originally posted by E-Man View Post
    He'd be a loss, and maybe a big one if Spencer isn't the real deal. I've gone back and forth about him since last year. At one point I was so frustrated with his play that I wanted him traded. I understand a guy getting old, but his bitching in the offseason did him no favors. He still is a goo pass rusher though, and someone would need to step up in his place. Spencer has the tools, but can he put it together? Time will tell. I hope that something good can be had for Greg, but I'm not naive. It'll probably be a conditional late round pick. Maybe a 6th that can move up to a 5th, or luckily a 4th.
    It would be a risk, but it's put up or shut up time for Spencer, he needs to be a full-time starter and stay healthy and being a 1st round pick we shouldn't still need an old 34 year old guy hanging around.


    I think besides him running his mouth so much, it probably has some to do with Ware's contract, we free up about 5 million in space releasing him.





    Originally posted by Scott Wright
    I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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    • Screw Chad Johnson, we don't need him.

      Losing Ellis would be kind of bitter sweet. I just don't feel like we have enough depth at OLB to cut him loose.

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      • Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
        It would be a risk, but it's put up or shut up time for Spencer, he needs to be a full-time starter and stay healthy and being a 1st round pick we shouldn't still need an old 34 year old guy hanging around.


        I think besides him running his mouth so much, it probably has some to do with Ware's contract, we free up about 5 million in space releasing him.
        Yeah Spencer won't have any excuses not to perform. His first year was Ellis' best year, his second had injuries. Now the cards stack up for him to show what he has. He won't have Ellis taking snaps away from him, he's been in the same system going on 3 years now at the same spot. He's got to show something this year to keep him around.


        Oh and good looking on on Ware. Ware's contract has been a big priority, and it looks like the room from Ellis could help that out.
        "If you have one finger pointing at somebody, you have three pointing towards yourself."
        ~Nigerian Proverb

        Da riddum is too much for you.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nKx27QrgO0

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        • Originally posted by E-Man View Post
          Yeah Spencer won't have any excuses not to perform. His first year was Ellis' best year, his second had injuries. Now the cards stack up for him to show what he has. He won't have Ellis taking snaps away from him, he's been in the same system going on 3 years now at the same spot. He's got to show something this year to keep him around.


          Oh and good looking on on Ware. Ware's contract has been a big priority, and it looks like the room from Ellis could help that out.
          Ellis is looking more like a release, since the 2 trading partners who were reported to be interested, Cincy Bengals & the NE Pats, have gotten cold feet:

          http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4199484

          Now it looks like he'll be another over the hill DE with the Fins like Jason Taylor. Too bad, I remember back in the day (puts on Wayback time machine magic helmet) when he & Ebenezer Ekuban were 2 DEs taken #1 in 2 successive yrs. from UNC, Ekuban reached the point of diminishing returns in about 3 yrs. to go thru a series of 1-yrs. with teams like Denver who were desperate for d-line help while Ellis went on to become their best defensive player in the Parcells yrs. until Ware & Bradie James showed up. One yr. he led the league with INTs as well as TFLS into Wk. 3-4 as a DE.

          Why tf the team wanted to trade with the NE pats IDK, Bellichick drives the hardest bargain in the business, he stockpiles picks in almost every yearly draft it seem this way, fleecing other teams trading with them who are looking to dump pricey aging talent who the Pats give a 2nd wind to their careers... didn't the Raiders used to have a reputation for doing just that, before they became the official retired on the job, last career NFL stop team? I can only assume the Pats wanted him b/c they have a history of preferring experienced defensive players replacing their injured ones, like Ellis for Bruschi or whoever in this case, but maybe Ellis had too much mileage even for them.
          Last edited by LizardState; 05-25-2009, 08:49 AM.

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          • The reason why no one will give you anything for Ellis or gave us anything for Roy Williams is they know full well these are cuts.

            That fans believe the nonsense coming from VR about trading him is dumb -- a "press leak" about a trad is created to avoid fan criticism for eventually letting him.

            Only really dumb teams actually give up value for OK ball players who are making too much money for their current team. Most smart teams wait for cuts and pick them up for free.

            Ellis won't make it this year b/c we invested too much in OLB talent and need to sign Ware. And, I for one, am desperately happy about it.

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            • http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/ar...#leavecomments

              .. exactly why a few wanted T-hoe gone. And to all the guys who said "this was fabricated at ESPN" -- come back to reality.

              Talk about a Divider and not a Uniter -- this dude is the ultimate divide and conquer mentality. Glad he is shot and will bomb in Buffalo -- particularly second half of the season when the cold makes those footballs even harder than T-hoe's hands.

              Enjoy obscurity you closet queen!

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              • I remember when Ellis and Ekuban were supposed to be a big tandem. The two North Carolina guys that were going to bring the pass rush back to Dallas. What sucked is that Ellis' second year was freaking fire! The dude was beasting it at a Pro Bowl level until Alonzo Spellman's sorry ass broke his leg. Ellis after that was a good pass rusher on a line with no good rushers to keep the pressure off him. Ekuban sucked from the start, but his second year he looked like he could be something. His first half of the season was bad, but in the last 5 games he got like six sacks before getting hurt. Then the next year he flopped, and sucked until Parcells got here. At least Ellis turned out to be a good, consistent player for many years. He never was an all star without needing someone else to take pressure off him, but he was better than most DEs. I always thought of him as a poor man's Strahan. A complete guy that gives you good pass rush, and can stop the run pretty well.

                As for the T.O. thing, I couldn't really give a rats ass. I think he'll do well, and I have no ill will toward him. But I really don't care what he says or does now. He has no relevant role to the team now, and my policy for this year would be to just ignore anything said about him. Sure he was a big factor into the offense, but that's gone and never coming back. If he gets 1500 yards and 20 TDs while Romo struggles, then I'll get mad. But other than that he's just another vet that was cut loose from an underachieving team.
                "If you have one finger pointing at somebody, you have three pointing towards yourself."
                ~Nigerian Proverb

                Da riddum is too much for you.
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nKx27QrgO0

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                • Looks like it's official Ellis is gone one way or another, but most people saw this coming a long time ago...I had been hoping for him to go after TO, Roy, and Pacman left, when we drafted two pass-rushers that was the final straw.


                  NE would be interested in him no doubt about it once he got released.





                  Originally posted by Scott Wright
                  I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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                  • Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
                    Looks like it's official Ellis is gone one way or another, but most people saw this coming a long time ago...I had been hoping for him to go after TO, Roy, and Pacman left, when we drafted two pass-rushers that was the final straw.


                    NE would be interested in him no doubt about it once he got released.
                    I predict Carolina Panthers as vehicle for their trading Peppers. Ellis goes home in the process and can give them 2-3 years as a situational rusher right where Pepper used to play.

                    Otherwise, Bengals with Zim.

                    NE doesn't make sense to me personally (youth movement). Miami neither (too many old OLB in Taylor and Porter).

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                    • Originally posted by herniateddisc View Post
                      I predict Carolina Panthers as vehicle for their trading Peppers. Ellis goes home in the process and can give them 2-3 years as a situational rusher right where Pepper used to play.

                      Otherwise, Bengals with Zim.

                      NE doesn't make sense to me personally (youth movement). Miami neither (too many old OLB in Taylor and Porter).
                      Good call on Carolina. It would be a really nice fit for him to be close to home again.
                      "If you have one finger pointing at somebody, you have three pointing towards yourself."
                      ~Nigerian Proverb

                      Da riddum is too much for you.
                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nKx27QrgO0

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                      • Anyone watch that Top 10 Cowboys show on NFL Network? The list from 10 to 1 goes as:

                        Drew Pearson
                        Don Merideth
                        Randy White
                        Tony Dorsett
                        Troy Aikman
                        Emmitt Smith
                        Bob Lilly
                        Michael Irvin
                        Roger Staubach
                        Tom Landry

                        I'm not too keen on this list, as it features only one non player when you can make arguments for another. Nothing against Landry,but you can give Tex Schramm just as much props as him. Emmitt at number 5? He's probably the second most productive player in NFL history. I'm a huge Irvin fan, but Emmitt should be higher at least. You can make an argument for Aikman too. My Larry Allen non *** man love also makes me upset that he didn't make this list.
                        "If you have one finger pointing at somebody, you have three pointing towards yourself."
                        ~Nigerian Proverb

                        Da riddum is too much for you.
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nKx27QrgO0

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                        • Stewart to the Eagles! Great move for the Eagles. Stewart was a great position coach in SD before coming to Dallas. He knows our team inside and out. This could be trouble.

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                          • Originally posted by herniateddisc View Post
                            I predict Carolina Panthers as vehicle for their trading Peppers. Ellis goes home in the process and can give them 2-3 years as a situational rusher right where Pepper used to play.

                            Otherwise, Bengals with Zim.

                            NE doesn't make sense to me personally (youth movement). Miami neither (too many old OLB in Taylor and Porter).
                            I'm guessing Green Bay. Kampman isn't talking to the media because he's mad about the switch to the 3-4. Ellis has been there before. He can come in as a situational guy and help Kampman transition. It's a new 3-4 team that doesn't have much depth at OLB and no one better than Ellis to my knowledge.

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                            • Originally posted by ricowboy View Post
                              Stewart to the Eagles! Great move for the Eagles. Stewart was a great position coach in SD before coming to Dallas. He knows our team inside and out. This could be trouble.
                              That can be used to the Eagles advantage, but remember that Stewart wasn't that good here. Of course he was a young coordinator, so I think this is a wait and see move. He could be useful to them for game planning, but he could also stink it up again.
                              "If you have one finger pointing at somebody, you have three pointing towards yourself."
                              ~Nigerian Proverb

                              Da riddum is too much for you.
                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nKx27QrgO0

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                              • Let's make it official

                                Cowboys released OLB/DE Greg Ellis.
                                The anticipated move clears $5.6 million in cap room, likely setting up Dallas to strike a long-term accord with contract-year OLB DeMarcus Ware. Ellis is 34, but showed that he can still play by posting eight sacks last season. He'd be best utilized as a rotational end in a 4-3 defense. The Bengals, Rams, Jaguars, and Redskins would all be smart to give him a look.
                                per roto


                                Good amount of cap room saved by doing this, this is what the great drafting teams do all the time, no reason to pay that much for a 34 year old LB when we drafted his replacement in the first two years ago.





                                Originally posted by Scott Wright
                                I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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