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  • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
    Huh? Troy Aikman.... ring a bell?

    Besides, Martin went in the 4th after McGee. If I had a redo, I take Martin. Heck, I take a lot of other guys for that matter. 3rd string QB... should've waited for the 6th or 7th. Maybe even the 5th with the amount of picks we had. Definitely don't like what I'm hearing about McGee in TC. Sad.
    Jones is on record saying he does not like taking QBs early on -- lots of money, don't really contribute early, bust potential.

    FWIW, Troy Aikman was unanimous #1 anyway ... not much thought there. Plus they did not have a lot of time for that one since the sale occurred that off season and Johnson was brought in almost immediately.

    In fact, if you go back, that Aikman draft for Dallas was Ok but not quite like 1990 to 1993.

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    • Originally posted by Macarthur View Post
      McGee -

      *************.com had him listed as 3rd to 4th rounder.
      http://www.*************.com/ratings...2009&genpos=QB

      Steve has him 2nd or 3rd rounder.
      http://www.draftcountdown.com/scouti...phen-McGee.php

      nfldraftbible.com listed him as 3rd rounder.
      http://www.nfldraftbible.com/Players...hen-McGee.html

      SI - rd 4
      http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ist/index.html

      nfldraft101.com - 5th
      http://www.nfldraft101.com/profiles/...phen_McGee.jsp

      Do I need to go on?



      Stanback

      4th or 5th
      http://www.seattlepi.com/football/312897_draft25.html

      Scott had him as the 12th WR - Not sure what that translates but it's not a 7th.

      Look, the issue is not whether these guys pan out. They may not. The problem is that we, as Cowboys fans, only look at our hits and misses. Did you look last night at how many high draft picks the Titans had that haven't done anything.

      You can find players at all positions in all rounds. I think your points are just all around flawed. Again, that doesn't mean you will be wrong on these guys. It's just flawed thinking to say because we picked this guy here, he's a miss and this one's a hit because we picked him here. It's a crap shoot many times. Everyone talks about NE being genius, but if they were so damn smart, they would have taken Brady in the 1st round.
      Some of the links don't work or support your position but moving along .......

      McGee was at best a late riser but in all the mocks was still projected 5/6/7. His good combine helped him move up obviously. But look at Scott's eval .... does that sound like a Pro QB to you?

      But no need to go on, as I said, when drafting the Cowboys consistently pick guys very early relative to their perceived value.

      MORE IMPORTANTLY, given the trench needs wasting an "almost third rounder" in two of the past 3 drafts is stooopid. EVERYONE KNOWS THESE ARE DEVELOPMENTAL SKILL GUYS.

      So take OL or DT instead who can likely contribute in years 2/3.

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      • Originally posted by herniateddisc View Post
        Jones is on record saying he does not like taking QBs early on -- lots of money, don't really contribute early, bust potential.

        FWIW, Troy Aikman was unanimous #1 anyway ... not much thought there. Plus they did not have a lot of time for that one since the sale occurred that off season and Johnson was brought in almost immediately.

        In fact, if you go back, that Aikman draft for Dallas was Ok but not quite like 1990 to 1993.
        Jerry says a lot of things... You know that. In the right need situation, he would do it again.

        Back to what I was saying... I'll be watching Vaughn Martin from afar. He was an interesting NT option. Loved the Chargers draft overall for that matter. Louis Vazquez, Tyrone Greene, Larry English, Martin... these guys are one of the teams that "get it".

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        • Originally posted by herniateddisc View Post
          Some of the links don't work or support your position but moving along .......

          McGee was at best a late riser but in all the mocks was still projected 5/6/7. His good combine helped him move up obviously. But look at Scott's eval .... does that sound like a Pro QB to you?

          But no need to go on, as I said, when drafting the Cowboys consistently pick guys very early relative to their perceived value.

          MORE IMPORTANTLY, given the trench needs wasting an "almost third rounder" in two of the past 3 drafts is stooopid. EVERYONE KNOWS THESE ARE DEVELOPMENTAL SKILL GUYS.

          So take OL or DT instead who can likely contribute in years 2/3.
          I agree with you on OL and DL... But I also like what Tom Ciskowski had done last year. ...and I don't hate all the picks this year or the logic behind enhancing STs and Backups. I just wish we came away with more help in the trenches or Rey Rey.

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          • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
            Jerry says a lot of things... You know that. In the right need situation, he would do it again.

            Back to what I was saying... I'll be watching Vaughn Martin from afar. He was an interesting NT option. Loved the Chargers draft overall for that matter. Louis Vazquez, Tyrone Greene, Larry English, Martin... these guys are one of the teams that "get it".
            I remember than taking Siler in the 6th and saying damn these guys get it. They do. SD's big problem is play on the beach.

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            • Originally posted by Shockey+Manning=Shocking View Post
              How is witten and Austin doing so far?
              Both are doing well. Witten is playing like what he is, a Pro Bowl TE in his prime. Austin is also impressive in camp. I don't know that he will win the #2 WR job since Crayton is also playing well and has the advantage of having participated in mini-camp and the OTAs, but Austin should be on the field a lot this year if he can stay healthy. They are looking to him to stretch the field.

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              • Originally posted by herniateddisc View Post
                Some of the links don't work or support your position but moving along .......

                McGee was at best a late riser but in all the mocks was still projected 5/6/7. His good combine helped him move up obviously. But look at Scott's eval .... does that sound like a Pro QB to you?

                But no need to go on, as I said, when drafting the Cowboys consistently pick guys very early relative to their perceived value.

                MORE IMPORTANTLY, given the trench needs wasting an "almost third rounder" in two of the past 3 drafts is stooopid. EVERYONE KNOWS THESE ARE DEVELOPMENTAL SKILL GUYS.

                So take OL or DT instead who can likely contribute in years 2/3.

                Right on que, here's a DMN blog about McGee's progress:

                We got a glimpse of Stephen McGee's potential during his two-minute drill series Monday afternoon.

                McGee engineered a drive that set up a short field goal attempt. He's rarely thrown the ball downfield during training camp, but McGee displayed his arm strength with a couple of ropes that accounted for most of the yardage on the drive. He zipped an out route to Manny Johnson for 15 yards, putting the ball into a pretty small window. A few plays later, he hit Jesse Holley with a 30-yard line drive on a seam route.

                It was one of the first times McGee, who has looked hesitant while throwing mainly checkdowns and/or holding the ball for too long, seemed comfortable this camp. The Cowboys drafted McGee with the first pick of the fourth round, despite his disappointing college career, because they believe he has the tools and character to develop into a starting-caliber quarterback.

                "When you're a quarterback, particularly a young quarterback, there is a lot of stuff coming at you," offensive coordinator Jason Garrett said. "To make the transition from college to pro is not easy, but he's doing it the right way. He's in early, he stays late, he asks a lot of questions. He's approaching it the right way, and when he gets reps, he's trying to take advantage of it."

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                • Originally posted by FinChase View Post
                  Right on que, here's a DMN blog about McGee's progress: We got a glimpse of Stephen McGee's potential during his two-minute drill series Monday afternoon.
                  One word Drew Henson -- and he was more talented.

                  Originally posted by FinChase View Post
                  ..... He zipped an out route to Manny Johnson for 15 yards, putting the ball into a pretty small window. A few plays later, he hit Jesse Holley with a 30-yard line drive on a seam route.
                  Johnson and Holley .... enuff said.

                  Originally posted by FinChase View Post
                  "When you're a quarterback, particularly a young quarterback, there is a lot of stuff coming at you," offensive coordinator Jason Garrett said. "To make the transition from college to pro is not easy, but he's doing it the right way. He's in early, he stays late, he asks a lot of questions. He's approaching it the right way, and when he gets reps, he's trying to take advantage of it."
                  I hope McGee becomes the next Joe Montana / Tom Brady. I really do. But it does not change my opinion that we are generally reaching for guys in the middle rounds.

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                  • Originally posted by herniateddisc View Post
                    NT for Jerry is like QB -- he does not want to waste early picks on them.
                    I'm not getting how he would have been in the position to spend an early pick on a QB. Aikman was here for 12 years, and there was no reason to draft a QB high when you have a first overall, Pro Bowl, Hall of Fame QB on the team. When Aikman retired, the Cowboys had no first round picks because of the Galloway trade. It was a bad trade, but that's not the issue. They just weren't in a position to draft a QB high because they didn't have high picks in spite of their bad records. That's why Quincy was here. He was as high as they could get while still trading down to get more picks, since they traded a ton of picks to the Seahawks for Galloway and McKnight. Then Parcells came, and he stated that he wanted a bus driver. Plus he was giving Quincy a chance to prove himself, and we know what happened there.

                    The Cowboys had high first round picks in 2002 and 2003, but the team needed more than just a QB. Plus you had two stud defensive prospects in Roy Williams and T. Newman, so taking a QB wasn't a slam dunk then. In 2004 they had a low first rounder for making the playoffs, and RB was proven to be a bigger need than QB at the time. They traded down for more picks. In 2005 you had Ware and Merriman staring you down with a decently high pick, and taking Aaron Rodgers wasn't on the menu since Bledsoe was coming to town. Bledsoe had a good first season, so QB wasn't in the cards, and then Romo came around and had a Pro Bowl career so far. Jerry would spend a high pick on a QB if the team was in position and needed to, but that hasn't been the case.I'm sure that when Romo is done here they will spend either big bucks or a high pick to get a QB.
                    "If you have one finger pointing at somebody, you have three pointing towards yourself."
                    ~Nigerian Proverb

                    Da riddum is too much for you.
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nKx27QrgO0

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                    • Originally posted by E-Man View Post
                      I'm not getting how he would have been in the position to spend an early pick on a QB. Aikman was here for 12 years, and there was no reason to draft a QB high when you have a first overall, Pro Bowl, Hall of Fame QB on the team. When Aikman retired, the Cowboys had no first round picks because of the Galloway trade. It was a bad trade, but that's not the issue. They just weren't in a position to draft a QB high because they didn't have high picks in spite of their bad records. That's why Quincy was here. He was as high as they could get while still trading down to get more picks, since they traded a ton of picks to the Seahawks for Galloway and McKnight. Then Parcells came, and he stated that he wanted a bus driver. Plus he was giving Quincy a chance to prove himself, and we know what happened there.
                      I am not sure what straw-man you are pursuing but it is not mine. I am simply restating Jones is hesitant to spend big money on QBs, particularly if not can't miss prospect. He has said so. He also has stated that NT can be had later in drafts.

                      But he has passed on QBs and NT last few years when we could have used one. That we filled other neds regardless, yeah, of course.

                      There is no argument here.

                      Originally posted by E-Man View Post
                      The Cowboys had high first round picks in 2002 and 2003, but the team needed more than just a QB. Plus you had two stud defensive prospects in Roy Williams and T. Newman, so taking a QB wasn't a slam dunk then. In 2004 they had a low first rounder for making the playoffs, and RB was proven to be a bigger need than QB at the time. They traded down for more picks. In 2005 you had Ware and Merriman staring you down with a decently high pick, and taking Aaron Rodgers wasn't on the menu since Bledsoe was coming to town. Bledsoe had a good first season, so QB wasn't in the cards, and then Romo came around and had a Pro Bowl career so far. Jerry would spend a high pick on a QB if the team was in position and needed to, but that hasn't been the case.I'm sure that when Romo is done here they will spend either big bucks or a high pick to get a QB.
                      Who knows when Romo is done. We shall see.

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                      • Originally posted by herniateddisc View Post
                        I am not sure what straw-man you are pursuing but it is not mine. I am simply restating Jones is hesitant to spend big money on QBs, particularly if not can't miss prospect. He has said so. He also has stated that NT can be had later in drafts.

                        But he has passed on QBs and NT last few years when we could have used one. That we filled other neds regardless, yeah, of course.

                        There is no argument here.



                        Who knows when Romo is done. We shall see.
                        I was just responding to what I saw. Where did he say that he wouldn't spend the money? I'm not saying you're lying, but I want to see it. I think it's quite the opposite since he's spent some big money on Romo.

                        I also wanted to write a long post so that I can fill this football void. Thursday couldn't come quick enough for me.
                        "If you have one finger pointing at somebody, you have three pointing towards yourself."
                        ~Nigerian Proverb

                        Da riddum is too much for you.
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nKx27QrgO0

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                        • Originally posted by herniateddisc View Post
                          One word Drew Henson -- and he was more talented.



                          Johnson and Holley .... enuff said.



                          I hope McGee becomes the next Joe Montana / Tom Brady. I really do. But it does not change my opinion that we are generally reaching for guys in the middle rounds.
                          I'm not saying McGee is the second coming of Montana or Brady. Hell, I'd be thrilled if he someday proved to be the second coming of Danny White! There was a lot of discussion about him, and he's definintely been struggling in camp, looking like a very raw rookie. This blog just acknowledged that he finally played a little better yesterday. That's it, no grandiose predictions of future greatness, no expectations, just that the 3rd string QB looked a little sharper. Everyone knows that if we get in a situation where McGee has to come in for us this season, we're in a lot of trouble.

                          I didn't have a problem with them drafting him in the middle rounds because that's where most of the projections I saw had him going. I would have preferred Rhett Bomar, but I'm just happy we FINALLY have a developmental QB that we are evidently going to keep on the roster. Those guys can become valuable with a few years of development. Personally, I'm still mad that we let Matt Moore slip away a couple of years ago.

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                          • Losing Matt Moore stung last season when Romo went down. His name has become synonymous with "ouch" for me.
                            "If you have one finger pointing at somebody, you have three pointing towards yourself."
                            ~Nigerian Proverb

                            Da riddum is too much for you.
                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nKx27QrgO0

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                            • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                              I agree with you on OL and DL... But I also like what Tom Ciskowski had done last year. ...and I don't hate all the picks this year or the logic behind enhancing STs and Backups. I just wish we came away with more help in the trenches or Rey Rey.
                              That's just because you took a picture with him ;)


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                              • Originally posted by herniateddisc View Post
                                Some of the links don't work or support your position but moving along .......
                                Nice way to dodge the issue. Every single one of those link supports my position. You are flat out wrong. There is no way McGee would have lasted beyond the 5th round. Do a simple google search and you will find evidence to support this. In fact, I found a couple of 2nd & 3rd round projections.


                                McGee was at best a late riser but in all the mocks was still projected 5/6/7. His good combine helped him move up obviously. But look at Scott's eval .... does that sound like a Pro QB to you?
                                Are you smoking crack? Did you not look at Scott's report? It says 2nd or 3rd rounder!!!!



                                But no need to go on, as I said, when drafting the Cowboys consistently pick guys very early relative to their perceived value.
                                Again, I think we don't see the forest for the trees. Every team takes some guys higher than other percieve.

                                When Dallas got Free and Marten, most thought those guys were a very good value. Same with Witten, both kids from Cinn were percieved to be good value, Phillips was sold value, Choice was a great pick, Scandrick, Ball and Brown have been decent for 7th rounders....I think you are using selective memory.

                                Sure, the Cowboys have had their misses, but SO HAS EVERYONE ELSE!

                                MORE IMPORTANTLY, given the trench needs wasting an "almost third rounder" in two of the past 3 drafts is stooopid. EVERYONE KNOWS THESE ARE DEVELOPMENTAL SKILL GUYS.

                                So take OL or DT instead who can likely contribute in years 2/3.
                                I would have loved to have more help in the trenches, too. But I am going to give Chisnick (sp?) the benefit of the doubt. They really wanted Unger and once he went, they didn't feel there was value there. We can kick around our opinions whether they were right or not, but I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt because Chisnick and his staff have been pretty solid the last couple of years.
                                In war, you win or lose, live or die - and the difference is just an eyelash.


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