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  • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
    You cant be watching a lot of football if you think he's one of the slowest receivers in the game. He really is no slower than the guys I listed or most "possession receivers".

    If you wanted to help his case...the fact that he is always the first or second player to the ball on the ST units doesnt hurt, either.

    He's really not that slow, he's a long strider who can cover a lot of ground. What was it a year or two ago? When he was constantly being targeted in camp as a deep receiver. Every trick play with Crayton throwing or w/e, was always going deep to Hurd. His speed is just fine.
    I admit, he's a Perennial Training Camp All-Pro. My point remains. He's too slow to be anything more than a backup.

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    • We'll see...I would love to see him actually given a chance. But really his speed isnt as bad as you think it is. And getting open, has never been a problem for him, either. But anyway, this game should be fun, imo. A little more Miles, a little more Hurd (hopefully), and maybe some Ogletree. I couldnt imagine us losing, even without Roy and Felix. If we lose...ummm, the season is pretty much over. bleh.

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      • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
        I'm not. Hurd's lack of speed killed our win. Despite having good hands, he's just not NFL material. He looked like a pedestrian running after the catch. ...and if matched up against Brandon Flowers, there's no way Hurd gains an inch of separation. (exaggeration, but you know what I mean).

        Austin needs to be involved more and we need to utilize his speed. He's our only hope for that this season. No one else can stretch the field like he can.
        Well, now there are two of us. Finally someone has joined the dark side.

        Plus, personally, I think we need to find out what Austin can do if he has chances. Frankly, I am disappointed Garrett has not really tried in 3 years to get this guy the ball -- even with TO out.

        Austin is in a make or break year. Much like Antonio Bryant (less the attitude). You simply need to feed him the ball and see what happens. You might have a star -- you might have an UDFA.

        But Hurd and Crayton are what they are. Nice Slot guys who can get first downs but don't rip off yardage. They are slow and have great hands. They have a place in the NFL but NEITHER IS A STARTER.

        In addition, we already have TWO TE who can move the chains in a similar fashion to Hurd and Crayton. Witten is not a game breaker but is excellent getting big first downs. Bennett can do the same and is a little more dynamic than Witten athletically.

        All good players but again ..... 4 Players with similar roles in the passing game. Austin brings home run speed. Williams can deliver catches in traffic and down the middle of the field. Fade routes. Hurd and/or Crayton are slots guys.

        Find me another burner to can threaten safeties and open up routes for Witten/Bennett/Hurd/etc...

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        • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
          I'm a little disappointed that Austin will be starting, instead of Hurd. But atleast Hurd should see some more action. So much for Wade saying he earned more PT in camp, he barely plays.

          This could mean Scandrick returning kicks. bleh.
          Hurd and Crayton????

          You might as well run 3 TE all game with two RBs and run the ball 60 times.

          That is pathetic speed. Reminds me of the Eagles some time back when Kevin Curtis was their deep threat.

          KC would play 8-9 in the box in any 2 WR set. No thanks.

          Put in Austin. Throw him the damn ball and let us see if he is any good once and for all.

          I know what Hurd can bring to the game on a consistent basis. First downs in the soft zones..

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          • Originally posted by herniateddisc View Post
            Hurd and Crayton????

            You might as well run 3 TE all game with two RBs and run the ball 60 times.

            That is pathetic speed. Reminds me of the Eagles some time back when Kevin Curtis was their deep threat.

            KC would play 8-9 in the box in any 2 WR set. No thanks.

            Put in Austin. Throw him the damn ball and let us see if he is any good once and for all.

            I know what Hurd can bring to the game on a consistent basis. First downs in the soft zones..
            Hurd actually is Roy's backup. So if Roy gets hurt in game, Sam is coming in. And obviously that wont stop Tony from going to him. He would be find there, opposite Crayton. It's something we're bound to see a lot of on Sunday anyway.

            As for Austin, I'm excited for him too but, dont kid yourself. He is no where near the talent Antonio Bryant was.

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            • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
              We'll see...I would love to see him actually given a chance. But really his speed isnt as bad as you think it is. And getting open, has never been a problem for him, either. But anyway, this game should be fun, imo. A little more Miles, a little more Hurd (hopefully), and maybe some Ogletree. I couldnt imagine us losing, even without Roy and Felix. If we lose...ummm, the season is pretty much over. bleh.
              The voice of reason!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Once again....Ogletree has showed he wants to play more than anyone else. Let him play.

              And as far as trading Felix to move up in the first round. That would be crazy. I am the biggest Felix support on here (save MOTH). And he has earned the name SOFT. But you cant give up on him yet. I cant remember such an electrifying playier, honestly. He is an explosion waiting to happen with the ball. You dont get that every year with the 22 pick in the draft. He can play at an NFL level. That has been shown. I think some people expect too much out of a first round draft pick. We have given a lot more time to players that havent shown as much as felix has. If you are going to let Shante Carver, Ebenezor Ekubon and Bobby Carpenter hang on for several years, you have to give Felix more time. He has shown a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He just gets hurt. Maybe he can stay healthy. Maybe not. But at this point YOU DO NOT GIVE UP ON HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

              If you trade this guy, he will make you pay. He can play. THe draft is not a science. It is a gamble. And you hit on this guy, he has just had some stumbling blocks.
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              • And to prove my point, Darren McFadden has not out preformed Felix. It has been the other way around.

                But if the Raiders were offering McFadden for nothing less than to trade up in this draft, every team in the league would do it. And everyone knows it. Trade down and get McFadden? A no-brainer.

                Felix is a cowboy and should not be traded.
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                • Originally posted by HEISMANHERSCHEL View Post
                  The voice of reason!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Once again....Ogletree has showed he wants to play more than anyone else. Let him play.

                  And as far as trading Felix to move up in the first round. That would be crazy. I am the biggest Felix support on here (save MOTH). And he has earned the name SOFT. But you cant give up on him yet. I cant remember such an electrifying playier, honestly. He is an explosion waiting to happen with the ball. You dont get that every year with the 22 pick in the draft. He can play at an NFL level. That has been shown. I think some people expect too much out of a first round draft pick. We have given a lot more time to players that havent shown as much as felix has. If you are going to let Shante Carver, Ebenezor Ekubon and Bobby Carpenter hang on for several years, you have to give Felix more time. He has shown a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He just gets hurt. Maybe he can stay healthy. Maybe not. But at this point YOU DO NOT GIVE UP ON HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                  If you trade this guy, he will make you pay. He can play. THe draft is not a science. It is a gamble. And you hit on this guy, he has just had some stumbling blocks.
                  I agree with you 100%......Since Jimmy and Bill have left this team appears to like to draft guys and sit them. Why????? Stupidest move ever......Your Veterans don't have to worry about competition because the young player never get a shot! Competition creates better players! Funny, both those coaches were no nonsense hardasses! We have coach cupcake! Remember the Washington game last season when Felix had 0 touches! Fantastic coaching on that one!

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                  • Originally posted by ricowboy View Post
                    I agree with you 100%......Since Jimmy and Bill have left this team appears to like to draft guys and sit them. Why????? Stupidest move ever......Your Veterans don't have to worry about competition because the young player never get a shot! Competition creates better players! Funny, both those coaches were no nonsense hardasses! We have coach cupcake! Remember the Washington game last season when Felix had 0 touches! Fantastic coaching on that one!
                    But you don't seem to understand, we have 13 Pro Bowlers!!!!

                    We draft for back-ups and ST because we are sooooooo good. Our cuts get picked up in minutes.

                    Jerrah has provided the greatest talent ever. All he needs is a bus driver coach.

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                    • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
                      Hurd actually is Roy's backup. So if Roy gets hurt in game, Sam is coming in. And obviously that wont stop Tony from going to him. He would be find there, opposite Crayton. It's something we're bound to see a lot of on Sunday anyway.

                      As for Austin, I'm excited for him too but, dont kid yourself. He is no where near the talent Antonio Bryant was.
                      1. Hurd is not RW and I don't care how many Cowboy coaches say he is. Not even close on the talent level. There is not one thing Hurd does better than Roy Williams except more consistent hands.

                      2. He is MORE talented than Antonio Bryant b/c he is simply faster and bigger. Again one mo time .... play him and give him 10 throws in a game.... let us see what happens.

                      The only thing preventing Austin from being a true 1 is confidence. Not saying he is Andre Johnson but he has as much talent as other guys we call #1 including TO.

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                      • Miles Austin IS NOT more talented than Bryant. He's an athlete and nothing more to this point. Randal Williams was an athlete, where is he now? There have been a 1000 Miles Austin's out there that havent amounted to anything. Just because you're fast doesnt make you a great football player. I hope he puts it all together but, I wouldnt even call him a receiver yet. His routes still suck, his hands are off and on, and how well does he really know the playbook? He always seems to be messing up. (Also FYI, Randal was a better athlete and bigger than Austin)

                        Just curious were you the one that fell in love with Courtney Brown earlier because, he was such an "amazing" athlete? or was that someone else? If it was someone else, my bad. I didnt mean anything by it but, I was just curious.

                        Anyway, by your logic, anyone who is big and fast and gets targeted 10+ times a game is going to star. Atleast that's what I gather. Not the case, my friend.
                        Last edited by M.O.T.H.; 10-10-2009, 12:52 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
                          Just curious were you the one that fell in love with Courtney Brown earlier because, he was such an "amazing" athlete? or was that someone else? If it was someone else, my bad. I didnt mean anything by it but, I was just curious.
                          For a seventh rounder, I like Brown but it is clear he is not a play maker and his tackling is suspect. But you know what..... so is Hamlin and I see no one comparing them.

                          All I say on Austin is friggin play him damn it and figure out if he is any good once and for all. Fact is Romo sucks balls. I have yet to see him hi Austin in stride on any route and to blame Austin for Bailey INT is bit much.

                          This is damn problem with this franchise with Jerrah -- they hold onto Vets way past their level of performance, people sit around making excuses for them, and as a consequence the young guys rot on the bench until they leave.
                          Last edited by herniateddisc; 10-10-2009, 01:24 PM.

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                          • I just really hope Roy going down turns into a blessing for Austin. But first Garrett has to call the right routes for him and Romo has to find him.

                            As for Antonio Bryant, the kid has great talent, but is not a good player. ...he's got one good year under his belt where he was the only WR worth a darn on his roster. Now this year, he's worthless, even if he's hurt.

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                            • Originally posted by herniateddisc View Post
                              Well, now there are two of us. Finally someone has joined the dark side.

                              Plus, personally, I think we need to find out what Austin can do if he has chances. Frankly, I am disappointed Garrett has not really tried in 3 years to get this guy the ball -- even with TO out.

                              Austin is in a make or break year. Much like Antonio Bryant (less the attitude). You simply need to feed him the ball and see what happens. You might have a star -- you might have an UDFA.

                              But Hurd and Crayton are what they are. Nice Slot guys who can get first downs but don't rip off yardage. They are slow and have great hands. They have a place in the NFL but NEITHER IS A STARTER.

                              In addition, we already have TWO TE who can move the chains in a similar fashion to Hurd and Crayton. Witten is not a game breaker but is excellent getting big first downs. Bennett can do the same and is a little more dynamic than Witten athletically.

                              All good players but again ..... 4 Players with similar roles in the passing game. Austin brings home run speed. Williams can deliver catches in traffic and down the middle of the field. Fade routes. Hurd and/or Crayton are slots guys.

                              Find me another burner to can threaten safeties and open up routes for Witten/Bennett/Hurd/etc...
                              OH please. I love how you think you're always the first to say stuff and then love to give yourself credit for it.

                              Everybody and their damn dog has known Austin is the fastest receiver on the team (which is not saying much btw). He might run a low 4.4, but he's not a 4.3 guy. Maybe he is. I dunno. We all knew he had fantastic measurables the day we signed him as an UDFA. His problem in his career was route running most off all, and then inconsistent hands. He's developed as a player where he's not such a problem as he was as a rookie, but he's a 4th year player now. It's time for him to make his presence felt big time. He should be doing what Mike Sims-Walker is doing in JAX. The problem is opportunity and he's not getting it. We need it and I want to see it.

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                              • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                                OH please. I love how you think you're always the first to say stuff and then love to give yourself credit for it.

                                Everybody and their damn dog has known Austin is the fastest receiver on the team (which is not saying much btw). He might run a low 4.4, but he's not a 4.3 guy. Maybe he is. I dunno. We all knew he had fantastic measurables the day we signed him as an UDFA. His problem in his career was route running most off all, and then inconsistent hands. He's developed as a player where he's not such a problem as he was as a rookie, but he's a 4th year player now. It's time for him to make his presence felt big time. He should be doing what Mike Sims-Walker is doing in JAX. The problem is opportunity and he's not getting it. We need it and I want to see it.
                                Make no mistake, I said Austin had the talent to be a #1 in camp the beginning of his second season. That is over 24 months ago. The same camp everyone was sweating Hurd and TO having a bufu relationship. You want to argue it go ahead but facts are facts.

                                And on his speed??? He plays 4.4. Not like some WR who run 4.3 and play 4.9. So yes, I consider him a burner and certainly considering his size.

                                With that said, he need to prove it by making plays and getting some decent passes thrown his way.

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