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  • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
    I loved Bill Parcells and what he did for us. I defended Parcells like no other in my debates with kwhy. I will respect him forever for what he did here.

    However, I'm ok with his departure. Why? Because he did here all that he could. We were at the point that we hit the plateau. Had we had won a playoff game, perhaps you could say that we were still on the incline under his reign. But we didn't. He's a fixer upper, but he's not a finisher. Him leaving on his own despite Jerry wanting him back was just the way Parcells wanted it. Plus, he was too tired of coaching. It had become a task beneath him. He wasn't motivated to do it like he was when he was younger. He was more interested in managing player personnel. He wanted GM responsibilities.

    Sparano was a great OL coach, and he looks like a good HC too. But we needed someone who could continue to develop our 3-4 defense and Sparano didn't fit that bill. Secondly, I'm not a fan of the wildcat offense and would be pretty pissed today if that's would our offense looked like. So I'm not missing him at all.
    So you are telling me Sparano as a Head Coach could not contintue developing the Dallas 3-4?

    That makes no sense.

    What about having kept Sparano to continue the development of the Offense which regressed? Keeping him as the OC when Parcells left??

    What about having hired or promoted a young guy to be 3-4 DC instead of hiring meatball and Stewart?

    Again, this line of reasoning makes no sense. As if Meatball and Turner were the only options???? Maybe in Jerrah's limited brain.

    Let us be REAL, Sparano was treated like a Piece of Crap b/c Parcells found him and groomed him and Jerrah the Moron did not.

    Jerrah could, however, claim Garrett was his creation by picking an unaccomplished coach from obscurity. Garrett did not even coach a decent QB or develop one. He was a great clip board carrier for Aikman though!!!!!!

    The fact Jerrah picked Garrett over Sparano and the results speak for themselves about Jerrah Botox Idiot Jones.

    Jerrah knows NOTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL. He is an ignorant GM who would have lost his job 15 years ago for the mess he created.
    Last edited by herniateddisc; 10-13-2009, 04:30 PM.

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    • Well, I think we've seen enough from this version of the Dallas Cowboys to safely say that they are not a good team. Its pretty amazing to look back and see that the obvious move after the 44-6 Philly debalce--FIRE WADE PHILLIPS--was completely and abjectly ignored and glossed over, all because business man Jerry wanted to be able to sell a stable product instead of make his team the best it could be.

      This team is in desperate need of passion, fire and discipline. Its a perfect situation for a Bill Cowher or John Gruden type to come in and go gangbusters with. Wade was a bad hire, the fly in the ointment during a magical 2007 season that ultimately was derailed by a few bonehead plays, was a bad decision to bring back after a horrid 2008 season, and is currently a bad head coach. At no point in time have I been happy to have had him here. Aside from the Campo years and possibly the Chan Gailey hire, Wade Phillips has to go down and Jerry's worst mistake as GM of the Dallas Cowboys.
      Originally posted by 21ST
      He was protecting his self
      Originally posted by tjsunstein
      From what? His leg?
      Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
      That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
      "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

      DeMarcus Ware

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      • I'm not an NFL historian, but what exactly has Al done? I'm sure he's done stuff. He's been in this business a long time. But that's as much as I know. I'm curious to know what kind of football genius he used to be. Can someone educate me?

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        • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
          I'm not an NFL historian, but what exactly has Al done? I'm sure he's done stuff. He's been in this business a long time. But that's as much as I know. I'm curious to know what kind of football genius he used to be. Can someone educate me?
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Davis

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          • Originally posted by herniateddisc View Post
            What personally gives you positive memories of him and what he did for the league?

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            • Originally posted by herniateddisc View Post
              So you are telling me Sparano as a Head Coach could not contintue developing the Dallas 3-4?

              That makes no sense.

              What about having kept Sparano to continue the development of the Offense which regressed? Keeping him as the OC when Parcells left??

              What about having hired or promoted a young guy to be 3-4 DC instead of hiring meatball and Stewart?

              Again, this line of reasoning makes no sense. As if Meatball and Turner were the only options???? Maybe in Jerrah's limited brain.

              Let us be REAL, Sparano was treated like a Piece of Crap b/c Parcells found him and groomed him and Jerrah the Moron did not.

              Jerrah could, however, claim Garrett was his creation by picking an unaccomplished coach from obscurity. Garrett did not even coach a decent QB or develop one. He was a great clip board carrier for Aikman though!!!!!!

              The fact Jerrah picked Garrett over Sparano and the results speak for themselves about Jerrah Botox Idiot Jones.

              Jerrah knows NOTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL. He is an ignorant GM who would have lost his job 15 years ago for the mess he created.
              Actually, yeah... I don't think Sparano could've run the 3-4 on his own. He would've had to find someone with 3-4 experience as his DC. I dunno who out there at the time would've been his DC for him. Do you?

              I would've been fine with keeping him as OC. Let's not have selective memory here. Jerry did not treat Sparano as crap. He allowed all of Parcells' other coaches to leave, but NOT Sparano. He coveted Sparano. He just didn't want an inexperienced HC. Same reason was given as to why he didn't take Singletary and Garrett as HCs. Singletary, Garrett and Sparano were all interviewed.

              You seem to think Sparano was willing to take on the job as OC. Sparano was looking for a HC gig. Let's be honest.

              And let's be reeeal honest. Wade's defense in San Diego was sick. One of the sickest Ds in the league. Jerry saw that and wanted it. I don't blame him for that.

              Unfortunately we learned the hard way that Wade is nothing more than a good DC.

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              • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                Actually, yeah... I don't think Sparano could've run the 3-4 on his own. He would've had to find someone with 3-4 experience as his DC. I dunno who out there at the time would've been his DC for him. Do you?
                Jerry got a woodie for Red and almost made him HC. It was like his first interview. But then Jerrah got cold feet and thought to himself .... I guess I need some grey hair and some DC experience and there was Meatball coming off a great year for him personally.

                But to name two guys .... Manusky and Singletary could have been DC with Sparano as HC. How about T. Bowles.

                But again, picking Sparano was Jerry admitting he wanted to continue with what Parcells built and Jerry wanted no part of that. Jerry wanted HIS GUYS that HE PICKED.

                You have the results.

                Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                I would've been fine with keeping him as OC. Let's not have selective memory here. Jerry did not treat Sparano as crap. He allowed all of Parcells' other coaches to leave, but NOT Sparano. He coveted Sparano.
                If Jerry Jones coveted Sparano he would have made Sparano OC or HC and certainly NOT made Red OC / Coach in Waiting. That seems like sheer nonsense to say.

                Sparano was kept by Jerry b/c a) he needed some continuity on the O and Garrett had yet to manage one soul his entire life -- Sparano became JG beeyotch and was the only reason JG's was "hot" after 2007 and b) I believe they were still under contract by Jerrah and he would have had to pay them.

                But frankly, JG can't lick Sparano' nutz without saying thank you. Sparano can coach and can play call. JG is just a Princeton guy.

                Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                He just didn't want an inexperienced HC.
                So instead he picked a loser HC and two wet-behind-the-ear Coordinators. Great.

                Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                Same reason was given as to why he didn't take Singletary and Garrett as HCs. Singletary, Garrett and Sparano were all interviewed.
                And interestingly enough Sparano was the only one DEMOTED.

                Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                You seem to think Sparano was willing to take on the job as OC.
                Um yeah, he would have taken it in a heart beat with Meatball being the HC and DC.

                Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                Sparano was looking for a HC gig. Let's be honest.
                Not sure how that effects the discussion since ALL Coordinators want to be promoted. All Position coaches want to be Coordinators.

                Sparano wanted to be HC sure. I want to be Bill Gates. What does that have to do with Jerry Jones muffing a critical search for management talent???

                Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                And let's be reeeal honest. Wade's defense in San Diego was sick. One of the sickest Ds in the league. Jerry saw that and wanted it. I don't blame him for that.
                Wade's D's also always collapsed in the playoffs and in big games.

                Look at how 2007 ended. How 2008 ended. How we have lost games with poor D play in the final 2 minutes of Halves.

                Wade is 100% responsible.
                Last edited by herniateddisc; 10-13-2009, 07:59 PM.

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                • Originally posted by herniateddisc View Post
                  Jerry got a woodie for Red and almost made him HC. It was like his first interview. But then Jerrah got cold feet and thought to himself .... I guess I need some grey hair and some DC experience and there was Meatball coming off a great year for him personally.

                  But to name two guys .... Manusky and Singletary could have been DC with Sparano as HC. How about T. Bowles.

                  But again, picking Sparano was Jerry admitting he wanted to continue with what Parcells built and Jerry wanted no part of that. Jerry wanted HIS GUYS that HE PICKED.

                  You have the results.



                  If Jerry Jones coveted Sparano he would have made Sparano OC or HC and certainly NOT made Red OC / Coach in Waiting. That seems like sheer nonsense to say.

                  Sparano was kept by Jerry b/c a) he needed some continuity on the O and Garrett had yet to manage one soul his entire life -- Sparano became JG beeyotch and was the only reason JG's was "hot" after 2007 and b) I believe they were still under contract by Jerrah and he would have had to pay them.

                  But frankly, JG can't lick Sparano' nutz without saying thank you. Sparano can coach and can play call. JG is just a Princeton guy.



                  So instead he picked a loser HC and two wet-behind-the-ear Coordinators. Great.



                  And interestingly enough Sparano was the only one DEMOTED.



                  Um yeah, he would have taken it in a heart beat with Meatball being the HC and DC.



                  Not sure how that effects the discussion since ALL Coordinators want to be promoted. All Position coaches want to be Coordinators.

                  Sparano wanted to be HC sure. I want to be Bill Gates. What does that have to do with Jerry Jones muffing a critical search for management talent???



                  Wade's D's also always collapsed in the playoffs and in big games.

                  Look at how 2007 ended. How 2008 ended. How we have lost games with poor D play in the final 2 minutes of Halves.

                  Wade is 100% responsible.
                  I'm not saying Wade isn't the problem. Because he is, as the HC. He is better suited for DC. As a HC, he just sucks. He doesn't have the character.

                  Singletary wouldn't be DC with Sparano as HC. That's just out of the blue. Another one of your crazy make believe assumptions. What makes you say Manusky would've followed Sparano too? Weird. There's a reason why Manusky is DC for Singletary. He's tied more closely to Mike than Tony. Todd Bowles as DC... now that thought actually churns my bowles. lol. Yuck.

                  Sparano was most respected. He certainly was not DEMOTED. He became Assistant HC to Wade. I bet if you asked Sparano himself, that he would be honestly appreciative to Jerry. Jerry allowed him to groom responsibilities of being a HC.

                  Now if you wanna say that Sparano was never going to be the HC of the Dallas Cowboys, I'd agree. I don't think Jerry would've handed him those reigns without experience first. ...and I don't fault Jerry for that either.

                  I don't have a problem with you hating Jerry for the hire. The move hasn't been successful so Jerry deserves the blame. I was a huge advocate for Singletary and thought Jerry messed up big time with that. But your immaturity shows whenever you start your name calling.. "Meatball", "Tony Turnover", etc etc.

                  However, you are a new arrival with this Wade hate. I don't recall you talking about it at the time of the hire, or after the 12-4 season or after leading the league in sacks last year. MANY MANY MANY Cowboys fans have hated Wade for a long time, so there's no sense in trying to convince us that you've been on some island with that thought.

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                  • Looks like we signed Allen Rossum. Good pickup, a veteran return man, had a nice year last season, and a local guy who graduated from Skyline High School the greatest HS in the state of Texas :) .

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                    • Originally posted by DMWSackMachine View Post
                      Well, I think we've seen enough from this version of the Dallas Cowboys to safely say that they are not a good team. Its pretty amazing to look back and see that the obvious move after the 44-6 Philly debalce--FIRE WADE PHILLIPS--was completely and abjectly ignored and glossed over, all because business man Jerry wanted to be able to sell a stable product instead of make his team the best it could be.

                      This team is in desperate need of passion, fire and discipline. Its a perfect situation for a Bill Cowher or John Gruden type to come in and go gangbusters with. Wade was a bad hire, the fly in the ointment during a magical 2007 season that ultimately was derailed by a few bonehead plays, was a bad decision to bring back after a horrid 2008 season, and is currently a bad head coach. At no point in time have I been happy to have had him here. Aside from the Campo years and possibly the Chan Gailey hire, Wade Phillips has to go down and Jerry's worst mistake as GM of the Dallas Cowboys.
                      I think we've seen enough to know that its definitely not a SB caliber team. Probably not even a team that will go deep in the playoffs.

                      But I think the division, and a possible playoff birth are still very possible. It depends on Romo quite honestly. Even with Miles heralded performance, the concern I would have is how Romo just zones in on 1 guy and doesn't make his reads.

                      Ive been a big Romo supporter, but Im starting to think he's not the qb I thought he was.

                      He's still a good qb in my eyes though.

                      As for Austin himself, I wouldn't put too much weight on his performance. Trust me, I saw the Giants and Eagles play the Chiefs. They have a terrible defense. You can whatever you want to them. Steve Smith caught 10 passes on them and they never adjusted to him. Their DC is atrocious. No adjustments at all.

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                      • lol. Parcells and Miami are what, 2-3 this year? Yeah, that is really acceptable for the Cowboys.

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                        • Originally posted by crisco0710 View Post
                          lol. Parcells and Miami are what, 2-3 this year?
                          We have one more win, but almost anyone would agree that we have the superior talent. Also last season, they did something we did not. Went to a playoff game. So what part of that would be unacceptable to you?

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                          • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                            However, you are a new arrival with this Wade hate. I don't recall you talking about it at the time of the hire, or after the 12-4 season or after leading the league in sacks last year. MANY MANY MANY Cowboys fans have hated Wade for a long time, so there's no sense in trying to convince us that you've been on some island with that thought.
                            Was there a post I missed or is this a straw man?

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                            • Originally posted by Ward View Post
                              Was there a post I missed or is this a straw man?
                              No comment.

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                              • Originally posted by Paul View Post
                                Looks like we signed Allen Rossum. Good pickup, a veteran return man, had a nice year last season, and a local guy who graduated from Skyline High School the greatest HS in the state of Texas :) .
                                I'm excited about that. Anyone has to be better than Crayton on Punt Returns and with Austin emerging in the offense and Felix always hurt, Rossum has a chance to do what he does best. Return kicks.

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