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  • #61
    Originally posted by jdnoyes View Post
    He's determined to prove that our draft sucked even though TC hasn't even started yet. If he rationally took a look at the 53 man roster instead of ripping our draft picks he'd realize 7 out of 8 will probably make the final 53 barring injury.
    Maybe if you read my posts you would understand my position on our draft but it seems you have not.

    I think our 2007 draft is horrid because on 1 or 2 guys will make any contribution to 2007.

    This is why I say 45. You can not play 8 guys in suit and tie.

    Now while the 8 change game to game -- there are only 2 or 3 names that routinely change.

    Your use of the 53 man roster is a false strawman aimed to discredit my point.

    Let me repeat so you may read: I think our 2007 draft is horrid because on 1 or 2 guys will make any contribution to 2007.

    OK?

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    • #62
      I still say all 3 make the roster, and the final spot will come down to Berger vs Procter. There is zero chance any of the 3 makes it to the PS. All three would be snatched up in a heartbeat. We still have to factor in injuries. We haven't had many in the last 2 years, but there is a pretty good chance one or two of our lineman will end up on IR.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Achilles33 View Post
        Marten and Free are great. It should put us in a good position on the offensive in the future. I hope we take a guard next year, boot Kosiar out, or just for the future as well.

        Anyway, Robert in big d, why are you so pissed at this draft? Spencer, and the Browns pick next year makes it a B to B+ on its own. Add 2 future quality o-lineman, a great slasher, and some good developmental CBs, and I say A-.
        Because we had bigger needs than Spencer and could have used 36, 52 and 87 and 122 (?) to find contributors to a 2007 Super Bowl run.

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        • #64
          Name the needs. This team has no holes. Pass rush is key. There was no better pick than Spencer at 26. We are still going to make a 2007 SB run.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by robert_in_bigd View Post
            Maybe if you read my posts you would understand my position on our draft but it seems you have not.

            I think our 2007 draft is horrid because on 1 or 2 guys will make any contribution to 2007.

            This is why I say 45. You can not play 8 guys in suit and tie.

            Now while the 8 change game to game -- there are only 2 or 3 names that routinely change.

            Your use of the 53 man roster is a false strawman aimed to discredit my point.

            Let me repeat so you may read: I think our 2007 draft is horrid because on 1 or 2 guys will make any contribution to 2007.

            OK?

            Please give me the names of the eight guys you would have drafted this year who would have made any contribution to the team.

            We did draft some projects, but that happens every year on every team. Outside of 1st round picks not to many lineman come and and contribute to a team that already has a solid line in place. It takes time to learn. How many teams are actually going to get significant help from the majority of their draft picks in their first year?

            I'm not sold on all the guys we drafted, but they are Dallas Cowboys now, can we at least give the front office and the scouts some props for working hard to bring these guys here. If you want to say the draft sucks in October or December or next year at this time then be my guest, to say so before they even set foot on the practice field seems foolish to me.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by DMWSackMachine View Post
              Wrong. Parcells was complimentary of two things: 1) Rob's work ethic in getting himself together physically and 2) his feet in a comparison that he made with a young Jason Fabini. That was basically it. The press was trying to get Bill to open up about Pettiti, but all Parcells would do is deflect the question and say that "he has a chance". Nothing close to the way he acted with Pat.
              Yeah you are right, but I think you are taking what Thule and myself are saying the wrong way. We all agree the guy has tons of potential, and should be a contributor this year. But to me factors such as new talent, injuries, new coaching staff etc mean there is no 100% guarantee he makes the squad. Do I think he will, absolutely, am I 100% positive, no.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by robert_in_bigd View Post
                Because we had bigger needs than Spencer and could have used 36, 52 and 87 and 122 (?) to find contributors to a 2007 Super Bowl run.
                I, too, would like to know the magical method whereby you think we could find rookies to contribute to a Super Bowl caliber team. Our roster is so deep right now that a lot of the players will struggle just to make it, let alone get on the field.

                Spencer is as NFL ready a player as there was outside the top 11, and moreso than any of them but Willis, AD, CJ, Thomas, Adams and Landry. While he may not fill a "need" as in position, he definitely feels a need in regards to "skill" or "production". We needed some help to get more pressure on the QB, and he will help us do that in a potentially big-time way.

                Aside from that, this draft didn't have many impact players that could have helped us who were on the board when we picked. I would have like to see us get McCauley in the 3rd, and I think he could have really helped out on our nickel defense. But as far as the 4th goes....you weren't going to get much help this season. We need top-end players at most positions if we are going to improve our situation there. You aren't going to find those at any of the spots we have except our 1st rounder. So, that's why I say that if Spencer becomes as good as we expect, the draft will be at least a marginal success.

                There is no reason to hate like you have been doing. Though I don't blame you for being underwhelmed. The question is: what could we have done about it?
                Originally posted by 21ST
                He was protecting his self
                Originally posted by tjsunstein
                From what? His leg?
                Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
                That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
                "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

                DeMarcus Ware

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                • #68
                  Yes, please, tell us. There are no real holes Our team is covered. Now it is just about staying healthy and executing.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by jdnoyes View Post
                    Please give me the names of the eight guys you would have drafted this year who would have made any contribution to the team.

                    We did draft some projects, but that happens every year on every team. Outside of 1st round picks not to many lineman come and and contribute to a team that already has a solid line in place. It takes time to learn. How many teams are actually going to get significant help from the majority of their draft picks in their first year?

                    I'm not sold on all the guys we drafted, but they are Dallas Cowboys now, can we at least give the front office and the scouts some props for working hard to bring these guys here. If you want to say the draft sucks in October or December or next year at this time then be my guest, to say so before they even set foot on the practice field seems foolish to me.
                    JDNOYES & DMW ... you must have missed it ....... each pick 36 to 159 is likely on the active 45 man roster ........

                    36- Sidney Rice (WR) -- our replacement for Hurd or Crayton, future #1
                    53- Gerald Alexander (S) -- Free Safety
                    87- Paul Soliai (NT) -- Back up NT
                    122- Doug Free (LT) -- Future LT
                    159- Mike Coe (CB) -- Get rid of Reeves or Jones ....
                    195- Jacob Ford (OLB) -- Backup and special teams, Burnett replacement
                    200- Jordan Palmer (QB) -- Development QB
                    212- Ben Patrick (TE) -- Talented TE, replace Curtis
                    234- Brandon Siler (ILB) -- Back up for now
                    237- 370lbs Thomas (NT) -- Dreamy dreams
                    Last edited by robert_in_bigd; 05-02-2007, 11:32 PM.

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                    • #70
                      No way Alexander makes the roster. He doesn't have half the ability of Watkins or Hamlin. He got moved from corner because he couldn't cover. He got drafted as a cover 2 safety...I personally thought he was a reach. Also remember that this is all hindsight...who would have guessed Coe would be available at 159...who woulda thought Free was available in the 4th....Been Patrick in the 6th round is crazy talk the day before the draft.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by robert_in_bigd View Post
                        JDNOYES & DMW ... you must have missed it ....... each pick 36 to 159 is likely on the active 45 man roster ........

                        36- Sidney Rice (WR) -- our replacement for Hurd or Crayton, future #1
                        53- Gerald Alexander (S) -- Free Safety
                        87- Paul Soliai (NT) -- Back up NT
                        122- Doug Free (LT) -- Future LT
                        159- Mike Coe (CB) -- Get rid of Reeves or Jones ....
                        195- Jacob Ford (OLB) -- Backup and special teams, Burnett replacement
                        200- Jordan Palmer (QB) -- Development QB
                        212- Ben Patrick (TE) -- Talented TE, replace Curtis
                        234- Brandon Siler (ILB) -- Back up for now
                        237- 370lbs Thomas (NT) -- Dreamy dreams

                        Great bunch of names there, i'm not going to knock the players, but I hardly see how this group would provide more contributors than the group we drafted. I see zero starters on your list. At least Spencer, Anderson and Folk (if you wanna count kicker) have a chance to crack our starting lineup. Rice would get very little playing time barring injury, he is a pretty raw talent. Soliai might see the field a bit assuming he can play consistantly at the pro level which is a big question mark. Coe might get some nickel or dime work at some point, but other than that I see nothing on your list besides special teams and developmental guys.

                        We drafted 3 potential starters counting Folk, and several others who just may contribute this year, on a team with as much talent as we have thats pretty good if you ask me.
                        Last edited by jdnoyes; 05-03-2007, 12:14 AM.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by robert_in_bigd View Post
                          JDNOYES & DMW ... you must have missed it ....... each pick 36 to 159 is likely on the active 45 man roster ........

                          36- Sidney Rice (WR) -- our replacement for Hurd or Crayton, future #1
                          53- Gerald Alexander (S) -- Free Safety
                          87- Paul Soliai (NT) -- Back up NT
                          122- Doug Free (LT) -- Future LT
                          159- Mike Coe (CB) -- Get rid of Reeves or Jones ....
                          195- Jacob Ford (OLB) -- Backup and special teams, Burnett replacement
                          200- Jordan Palmer (QB) -- Development QB
                          212- Ben Patrick (TE) -- Talented TE, replace Curtis
                          234- Brandon Siler (ILB) -- Back up for now
                          237- 370lbs Thomas (NT) -- Dreamy dreams
                          Somebody grab me a barf bag!

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by thule View Post
                            No way Alexander makes the roster. He doesn't have half the ability of Watkins or Hamlin. He got moved from corner because he couldn't cover. He got drafted as a cover 2 safety...I personally thought he was a reach. Also remember that this is all hindsight...who would have guessed Coe would be available at 159...who woulda thought Free was available in the 4th....Been Patrick in the 6th round is crazy talk the day before the draft.
                            OK, you are not too smart. All these players where available when the Cowboys would have picked if they had stayed put at 36. Not a theoretical game.

                            So Cover 2 Safeties can't cover according to you and Alexander stinks b/c he was moved fro CB to Safety?

                            Interesting b/c most Cover 2 Safeties actually are forced to cover lots more than safeties in man schemes. The fact Alexander was a CB and moved to safety means he can cover.

                            All I know is Ed Reed was a CB when he got to Miami. Ronnie Lott was a CB.... you see where this discussion is going?

                            You are argumentative without any analysis to support your arguments or willing to give an inch on an incredibly silly set of ideas.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by jdnoyes View Post
                              Great bunch of names there, i'm not going to knock the players, but I hardly see how this group would provide more contributors than the group we drafted. I see zero starters on your list. At least Spencer, Anderson and Folk (if you wanna count kicker) have a chance to crack our starting lineup. Rice would get very little playing time barring injury, he is a pretty raw talent. Soliai might see the field a bit assuming he can play consistantly at the pro level which is a big question mark. Coe might get some nickel or dime work at some point, but other than that I see nothing on your list besides special teams and developmental guys.

                              We drafted 3 potential starters counting Folk, and several others who just may contribute this year, on a team with as much talent as we have thats pretty good if you ask me.
                              You gotta be blind. That group plays this year. Not saying starters but I know most of the top picks are active on Game Day.

                              The guys Jerry picked -- mark it down -- will only have ONE guy who plays at at all this year.

                              Anyway, moving on. Compare notes in October.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                                Somebody grab me a barf bag!
                                Nice analysis. Not much to discuss with you.

                                As I said, your comments and thoughts are indicative of what you know.

                                You are Achilles II. You argue but present no competing ideas or for that matter reasonable ones ....

                                ..... which explains all this Stanback silliness for a medicore college player drafted in the 4th round (too early) to play a position he does not know how to play and then we are shown a YouTube showing us 1 college play while ignoring his lack of production at UDubb.

                                Compare results in October. G' Luck.

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