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  • With the average NFL game being decided by under 3 points, can you afford not to take him?

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    • what has jason elam done to show that he's not capable of being our kicker for another two years? granted he won't hit another 63 yarder, but realistically, who will?

      it would be a monumental mistake to take crosby for this team. if i thought he'd be there in the 7th i'd love it, but we have far bigger needs that will be problems in the next two years to take a back-up kicker.

      now, were he a *punter* it might be worth discussing.

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      • Originally posted by M
        With the average NFL game being decided by under 3 points, can you afford not to take him?
        with elam capable of hitting almost automatic with a good snap from under 45 yards , i'd say you can wait. I would rather wait for Sam Swank to come out in 2 years. Besides, I think Crosby's leg is overrated. His career long (in colorado, mind you, is 60.) thats no better than 58 any other place. Plus he kicks like 22.2% from past 50 (he went 2-9) his accuracy is overrated, he has gone down in productivity every year and accuracy since his sophmore year, while mind you hasn't had that many more 50 yard attempts this year.

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        • good points re: kicker!

          I still go back to RB and Safety - I know our needs are for both sides of the line but I am not certain that Shanahan will not take a RB in 1st or 2nd round - depending upon who is available obviously!

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          • Originally posted by Jimmy
            Originally posted by M
            With the average NFL game being decided by under 3 points, can you afford not to take him?
            with elam capable of hitting almost automatic with a good snap from under 45 yards , i'd say you can wait. I would rather wait for Sam Swank to come out in 2 years. Besides, I think Crosby's leg is overrated. His career long (in colorado, mind you, is 60.) thats no better than 58 any other place. Plus he kicks like 22.2% from past 50 (he went 2-9) his accuracy is overrated, he has gone down in productivity every year and accuracy since his sophmore year, while mind you hasn't had that many more 50 yard attempts this year.
            He's kicked it from 58 at miami... that's pretty impressive. His accuracy isn't as great, but it's only the leg that really counts. Accuracy you can fix... sheer leg power is something you can't. Btw, ppl say that he has hit 70+ yarders in practice. ANYWAY. He's still to expensive to get in the early rounds. We have greater needs. If he fell to round 4 tho, I would definitely take him as he would be an absolute steal there, but he's not going past the 2nd.. mark my words.

            Projected win total: 55+

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            • I have seen him kick from 70 yards during pregame and some of the CU players tell me that he makes 2 of 5 from that distance with regularity at the end of practice. He also kicks into the endzone on kickoff from NFL distance - something we do not do with any consistency.

              He will be gone by 2nd round and someone will have a kicker for 10 years like denver with Elam.

              So people what do we do in the first 3 rounds - I still think Bowlen will use the Darrent Williams death to petition for a compensatory pick at end of 3rd round - so what do we do?

              As far as RB's I think Peterson and Lynch will obviously be gone but Bush and Antonio Pittman (one) will be available however, Adam Carriker and Amobi Okoye (and the DE from Hawaii whose name excapes me at the moment) for defense or, Tony Ugoh, Levi Brown or Marshal Yanda one of them will be available for offense if you think line is our first round choice? Thoughts anyone?

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              • Draft

                Just started reading up bio's on positions the Broncos are going to need. And while a stud RB sounds great, I don't see one without a injury question being there at 21. And I don't hate Mike Bell. Think he played well as a rookie and really runs hard and could be an Olandis Gary type for us once next year.

                Therefore, I really like Victor Abiamiri-DE or Amobi Okoye-DT in the first.
                One, I think at least one of the two will be there, and two they get after the QB.
                Victor a pass rush guy, but unlike Elvis he has the size to be an everydown player, where a lot of other DE's rated late first rounders seem to have size "tweener" or "specialist" issues.
                Amobi Okoye is the double team guy Warren is when he feels like it. And creates havoc collapsing the pocket on passing downs.

                I am not a fan of this specialist garbage. Bring in the pass rush specialist on 3rd down to watch a draw go for 15 yards, and bring in the run stoppers on first down to watch Manning sit in the pocket for 6 seconds? I want a do it all every down, and leave Elvis as are lone specialist.

                Also, I like what breifly saw of Kolby Smith-RB. And MAN I love what I read. Good size and frame, explodes through the hole, tough, physical runs hard, lacks top speed, didn't carry the load in college... does this not sound a little like the Terrell Davis bio when he was coming out? Plus he can block and catch. I like it. When I am GM, I am taking DE/DT early and snagging this guy in the 3rd / 4th round.

                Plus anyone know about the Safety on Notre Dame who also returns punts? Is he just a junior? Didn't see his name anywhere...

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                • ^^^ zbikowski? wouldn't touch him with oakland's ten foot pole. dude is, as far as i've seen, a liability in pass coverage and isn't really all that great in run support. regardless, last i hear he hadn't declared.

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                  • Originally posted by njx9
                    ^^^ zbikowski? wouldn't touch him with oakland's ten foot pole. dude is, as far as i've seen, a liability in pass coverage and isn't really all that great in run support. regardless, last i hear he hadn't declared.
                    No, he stayed.

                    I think we should go DL in the first two rounds, DT, then DE, unless some great DE prospect falls to us.


                    Originally posted by Scott Wright
                    Terrellezzzzzzzz Pryorzzzzzzzz!
                    Originally posted by njx9
                    do i tell you when to flip the burger?

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                    • Rick Dennison:

                      I really don't know about our facination with Rick Dennison. Other than the fact that he's a former player, he's done nothing to prove me that he's been doing good enough job to continue making promotions almost every year(Special team coach - Offensive Line coach - Offensive Coordinator).

                      I understand Heimerdinger is still in charge of offence and calling plays, but I'd like someone younger that we can groom for the future(like, Kubiak) who can eventually replace Shanahan, when he decides to retire.

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                      • i thought dennison did a good job with our special teams, and that the year he moved to offensive line was one of our first big problems years (iirc, this also coincided with the loss of burns). i could be wrong, statistically.

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                        • I was looking at scotts mock draft, and read the bio on quintin moses, and it scares me to death, the last thing we need is ANOTHER extremly talented but underachieving defensive linemen. We already have Brown, Ekuban, Lang, and Warren.

                          But as i continued i noticed jarvas Moss, and remember him blocking something like 2 or 3 field goals in one game!!!

                          Could anyone tell me if he would be a good fit here in denver? or was that one game a fluke...


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                          • Here's my view updated view. Lynch has 2-3 years left in him, i am 75% sure he has expressed he isnt losing any fire or any of his game. ferguson, our other safety, is a liability, and we have sam brandon and curome cox as well as hamza abdullah. i think shanahan (unfortuatly gets attached to players like nick) wants to keep ferguson and cox and abdullah and battle them for the job (and possibly a FA acqusition). But obviously this is a hunch that some of you may not have, so it might be tough to understand. I think that the most sensible pick right now would be at DT.. Lang and Ekuban, and dumervil are average players, so i think shanahan ends up adressing our Amobi Okoye please

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                            • Originally posted by 3projectPAT6
                              I was looking at scotts mock draft, and read the bio on quintin moses, and it scares me to death, the last thing we need is ANOTHER extremly talented but underachieving defensive linemen. We already have Brown, Ekuban, Lang, and Warren.

                              But as i continued i noticed jarvas Moss, and remember him blocking something like 2 or 3 field goals in one game!!!

                              Could anyone tell me if he would be a good fit here in denver? or was that one game a fluke...
                              Don't worry, it's only a matter of time till we get Kamerion Wimbley


                              Jarvis dominated the NC game, he looks good. Only problem:There doesn't seem to be as many good DT prospects in the mid-late second, as there will be DE prospects. I think a combo of Tyler/Okoye and Crowder/other 2nd round DE, is better than Moss/Woodley/Moses and Harrell or Brown. Maybe if we can trade into early 2nd, one of the first round caliber DTs will be there.


                              Originally posted by Scott Wright
                              Terrellezzzzzzzz Pryorzzzzzzzz!
                              Originally posted by njx9
                              do i tell you when to flip the burger?

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                              • old news dont know if it had been brought up
                                The Broncos have signed the following street free agents to contracts for 2007:

                                QB Darrell *******
                                FB Troy Fleming
                                TE Teyo Johnson
                                OT Jacob Rogers
                                DE Carlos Hall
                                S Lamont Reid
                                P Eddie Johnson

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