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  • Per PFT via USA Today, Cutler got into Marshall pretty good today. I really hope Marshall turns it around. I'm an Eagles fan but Marshall has been one of my favorite players since he came into the league and I really hope he succeeds. To me him and Cutler are one of my favorite QB-WR duos to watch. If they both make it to their peak years in Bronco's uni's you guys will be tough to deal with. I hope the fact that his QB ripped him will help him mature.

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...marshall_N.htm

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    • Originally posted by jefepowhnzer View Post
      Per PFT via USA Today, Cutler got into Marshall pretty good today. I really hope Marshall turns it around. I'm an Eagles fan but Marshall has been one of my favorite players since he came into the league and I really hope he succeeds. To me him and Cutler are one of my favorite QB-WR duos to watch. If they both make it to their peak years in Bronco's uni's you guys will be tough to deal with. I hope the fact that his QB ripped him will help him mature.

      http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...marshall_N.htm
      I hate when national papers and mags get stuff wrong. Since when is Kuper getting first chance to replace Lepsis? I thought Ryan Harris or our 1st round pick was first in line.

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      • Originally posted by jaffe28 View Post
        I hate when national papers and mags get stuff wrong. Since when is Kuper getting first chance to replace Lepsis? I thought Ryan Harris or our 1st round pick was first in line.
        Guess I spoke too soon. The following is from The Rocky Mountain News.

        "Offensive line changes

        With the draft and free agency still to go before training camp starts in July, Shanahan laid out how he expects the team's offensive line to look.

        If the team lined up today to play a game, Tom Nalen would be at center, Ben Hamilton and Montrae Holland at left and right guards and Chris Kuper at left tackle and Erik Pears at right tackle.

        'It will depend on how we go through (offseason workouts), but Kuper would probably get the nod over (Ryan) Harris because of how he played last year,' Shanahan said.

        Hamilton is coming back after missing all of the 2007 season recovering from a concussion suffered in training camp. Nalen, who will turn 37 in May, is coming back after missing 11 games last season with a torn right biceps."

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        • in fact, no part of that post had anything to do with "ego", but i'm sure it's difficult to think of big words that aren't really personal attacks. since you're new here, i have essentially NEVER agreed with M about anything, although i tend to respect his opinion most of the time. i had no interest in agreeing with this post, so i disagreed with a small part of it. i'm ecstatic that you found a link to a cosmetics store, even though the fact that they named themselves poorly has little to do with anything. when one tends to make a tongue in cheek comment on a message board, in which one cannot read facial expressions, one tends to leave clues that a comment shouldn't be taken seriously. thus, including a completely irrelevant comment with something of substance. no part of this should really be rocket science.

          First, yes you are egotistical. Second, irony at its finest.

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          • Originally posted by njx9
            i don't know that i like kuper at LT any more than i like pears at any starting T position. i don't know that i've ever seen him play and thought anything other than "well.. i guess he could be a solid G for us...."

            *shrug* don't know that it matters. no matter how crappy he is, if he's beating out harris...
            I'm not particularly thrilled at the idea of Kuper at LT either. Harris might beat him out in training camp, though Harris' back makes me nervous for the long term. I'm still thinking that Clady or Williams has the best chance of being the long term solution. Maybe even Otah if we can trade back a few spots to take him.

            Pears is servicable but I like him better as a backup not a starter.

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            • Originally posted by njx9
              in all honesty, these moves, paired with the moves on defense have me seriously concerned that the team will attempt to pass off WR as our only need, thus leading to us drafting desean jackson, eddie royal and whatever other 5 crappy WRs end up being available at our various picks.
              Shanahan also mentioned that Keary Colbert was signed to be our #2 WR... complete with some foolish Rod Smith / Eddie Mac comparisons. Really, the way he was talking you'd think the team had no needs. Whatever.

              I'd say we're in full pre-draft propaganda mode at the moment. Shanahan might as well just take a **** in a bucket and give it to the press corps... that would be just as informative as the stuff that's coming out of his mouth right now.

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              • Originally posted by njx9
                i guess i'm more hopeful then that the S and LB signings are largely irrelevant to our draft strategy, though i'd certainly hope LT is up there someplace.
                I agree - the moves at S and LB are temporary patches rather than long-term solutions, though we might get a legit starter out of it (I'm hoping Niko at MLB... he's about the only one who's actually missed by his old team).

                This is a good, deep draft for LB's... we need to take one. The S pool is a lot weaker, but we could probably get still get someone who'd be an upgrade, particularly at the SS spot.

                I think we are a lock to take an OT in this draft, regardless of what Shanahan says.

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                • Originally posted by Diehard View Post
                  I'd say we're in full pre-draft propaganda mode at the moment. Shanahan might as well just take a **** in a bucket and give it to the press corps... that would be just as informative as the stuff that's coming out of his mouth right now.
                  The first thing I thought when I read the Kuper comment was that Shanahan was trying to give a bit of pause to teams that might trade up to get Clady or Williams ahead of #12. I hope so anyway...

                  DeSean Jackson is my current nightmare...we can get a similar player in the fourth round in someone like Dexter Jackson or other athletic return specialist.

                  Just to revise my top 5 choices for the #12 pick...

                  Co #1s) Ryan Clady or Chris Williams
                  2) Keith Rivers
                  3) Branden Albert (probably a bit high but he's gonna be a long time starter)
                  4) Jeff Otah
                  5) Kenny Phillips (also maybe a bit high but he'll be a starter as well)

                  I wish there was a DT worth taking but unless Ellis or Dorsey falls nobody is worth taking. I haven't been thinking much about DE because we drafted Moss and Crowder last year, but what do you all think of taking Derrick Harvey if he's there?

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                  • Packers @ Broncos in the third week of the preseason.

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                    • Originally posted by njx9
                      not to cherry pick (you made other good points), but DE would, imo, be a crap pick. granted we need help, but after taking crowder and moss, and with a young dumervil (and good veteran depth), i can't see how we take someone at the spot. in all honesty, it might be one of the ultimate last positions on the team i would be looking to draft were i in shanny's shoes this week.
                      It's not cherry picking if I ask :) . I actually agree with you the DE is a low priority. The main reasons I thought about it are that I'm not sold on Moss, Crowder looks solid but may not turn into much of a pass rusher, and Elvis is a great pass rusher but wasn't holding up well against the run on early downs. Engelberger is also solid but not spectacular, and who knows how Ekuban will be this season. Basically I look at the DE situation and see a lot of players that are all over the place in skill set which doesn't help the defense define itself.

                      That said, I'll throw stuff at the TV if they pick a DE in the first round.

                      Just out of curiousity, how does everyone rank our team needs? I'd go:

                      1. DT
                      2. LB, OT
                      3. KR
                      4. S, WR
                      5. K, P
                      6. C
                      7. OG, DE, RB, CB
                      8. QB, TE

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                      • Originally posted by jaffe28 View Post
                        Just out of curiousity, how does everyone rank our team needs?
                        Situation critical: DT, OT
                        Upgrades: LB, S, WR, K, P [maybe RB]
                        Looking to the future: C, CB w/return skills, [maybe RB]
                        Only if the value is really good: TE, OG, FB
                        Don't bother: QB, DE

                        RB is the position I had the most difficulty categorizing. I think we could do just fine with our existing set... then again, a single feature back could do a lot to improve offensive consistency. I guess it really hinges on Travis Henry's ability to avoid injury and off-field distractions... something I'm not too optimistic about.

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                        • This might end up influencing draft strategy:

                          NFL owners nix hopes to add players

                          If we don't feel like we can keep an 80 man roster when adding a 9 man draft class we might be forced to trade some picks. Maybe it makes a trade up for Dorsey or Ellis more likely. Maybe it makes Shanahan think twice about a K or P competition because we'd have to use 4 spots. Hmmmmm...

                          Does anyone know where I can find a full current roster for the Broncos so I can see what 80 men we currently have and who I can cut so we can keep all our picks?

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                          • I don't think it will have a huge impact. Take a look at the roster - there's a *lot* of garbage sitting there just waiting to be cut.

                            http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=396


                            Originally posted by jaffe28 View Post
                            This might end up influencing draft strategy:

                            NFL owners nix hopes to add players

                            If we don't feel like we can keep an 80 man roster when adding a 9 man draft class we might be forced to trade some picks. Maybe it makes a trade up for Dorsey or Ellis more likely. Maybe it makes Shanahan think twice about a K or P competition because we'd have to use 4 spots. Hmmmmm...

                            Does anyone know where I can find a full current roster for the Broncos so I can see what 80 men we currently have and who I can cut so we can keep all our picks?

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                            • Thanks for the link. Exactly what I was looking for. And there are indeed some cuts to be had.

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                              • IMO, our needs(based on most critical:

                                1. LT - I can not stress this enough to get a bonafide stud LT protecting Cutler. I am definitely not sold on either Harris or Kuper or whoever we want to throw out there.
                                2. DT - My god this is a pitiful group. I was tempted to move it to #1, but protecting Cutler is just that important to me. But seriously, we are looking at either Antwon Burton or Alvin McKinley starting alongside Marcus Thomas. I'd be fuming to take a DT in round 1 but it won't be worth it if Ellis and Dorsey are gone by the time they pick. Round 2 is a money round to take a DT though IMO, a lot of good options. I won't expect the rookie to do anything impressing this year, but it sure would help for the long run.
                                3. Safety - I have mixed opinions on Abdullah, sometimes I think he can be a solid starting safety in the league, and sometimes I think he should be cut by whiffing by 5 miles on routine tackles. Manual and McCree are just to have bodies to throw out there. IMO, we need a FS more than a SS at this point, someone who can actually cover.
                                4. LB - mainly, upgrading. I think we should see if this Niko guy can actually play like he's been talked about. We have adequate depth with Webster and Winborn. DJ hopefully will excel moving back to the weakside. I think we do need to draft a LB for the strong side, maybe MLB.
                                5. K - I really hope we are looking at someone in the draft, because I don't want to go into the season with Matt Prater the starting kicker or some scrub vet.
                                6. WR - Marshall's antics are starting to get annoying and bothersome. Colbert I think could be an adequate #2 guy. Don't need a guy who will get 70 catches for over 1,000 yards and 10 TD's here, just to be able to get 50ish with 750ish yards. What I want though is a guy who can stretch the field. I would hate the pick at #12, but Desean Jackson would do just that. I would only want to take Jackson if we trade down to the 20's. If we were looking at drafting a guy who can take over the #2 job and become great at it, I would consider Limas Sweed or Malcolm Kelly if his knees are healthy.

                                I'd say if we stay pat where we are, I'd want us to take:
                                12. Ryan Clady or Chris Williams
                                41. Pat Sims/Trevor Laws
                                4th round picks: look at taking LB, WR and Owen Schmidt
                                Some pick in the 5th or 6th round, take a kicker

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