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  • martz says lions "weren't good"

    http://49ers.com/pressbox/news_detai...tion=PR%20News

    “In Detroit we were not a good football team,” said Martz. “We were last in the NFL on defense and when you have to throw the football to win, that’s not a good thing. We weren’t good enough on the offensive line to protect him and throw the ball like we did. When I was with the Rams, we were. The number of hits on the quarterback when I was with the Rams near the end of my time there was about the middle of the pack. In the early goings, it was actually very low and we were ranked near the best in the league.”

    martz is a crybaby who is trying to cover his own arse

  • #2
    I don't think he said anything wrong, to be honest.

    One thing of note was injuries to the offensive line in the two years Martz was in Detroit, which only increased the pressure and punishment Kitna took as can be imagined.

    But I very much think the Lions are better now than they were two years ago when Martz arrived. There's a good chance in my mind that the Lions will regress offensively without him, I believe, but nonetheless better than before he arrived.

    Marinelli is doing some good things, trying to change the culture. He's learning some things as a rookie head coach, and obviously Millen isn't the best GM for any franchise but he's getting better maybe (at least it seems like that, working with Marinelli), so it's not happening very quickly, but with enough time they might get it done. There are positive signs.
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    • #3
      I'd rather have an offense that tries to run the ball than an offense that can hardly pass the ball, but constantly does it anyway.
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      • #4
        Martz is full off $ hit regarding the Rams protection. They were not middle of the pack. They were terrible in pass protection because his system, though explosive gives up a ton of sacks. Towards the bottom of the league every year with a future HOFer in Orlando Pace.

        The Lions defense was terrible in the second half of the season and the O-line needs improvement but losing Martz will help out in pass protection.

        http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statis...on=2&year=2005

        http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statis...on=2&year=2004

        http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statis...on=2&year=2003

        http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statis...on=2&year=2002

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        • #5
          Martz was correct except I think he was generous in his assessment. Will we be better without him just like we were better without Mooch, I doubt it. This team was nothing under Millen's leadership and it will remain nothing until he is replaced, provided Ford can actually hire a competent GM which I also doubt.
          Millen has never provided his HC's with strong enough personnel to make the team competitive and never will. He then places all the blame on his coaches for not producing a winner with the junk players he gave them. Will Marinelli turn this franchise around, no, because you cannot turn a franchise around when you are extremely lucky if you get 1 or 2 starters out of a draft every year. The Giants had 7 rookies make serious contriobutions to their successful year with a # of them starting. We might as well turn the draft off after our 2nd pick and how many of them did we have last year and how many are starting?
          Martz did the best he could with the talent he was given as did Marinelli and it produced the highest win total in the Millen era. if anybody here really believes that changing coaches will create more wins, well, I have a bridge for sale, cheap.
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          • #6
            fair enough... He sais our team is bad and quite frankly I can't disagree with him. The Detroit Lions these days a perpetuum mobile of suckage. We suck, then we draft poorly, we keep sucking etc. etc. it seems endless.

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            • #7
              Martz is right. The Lions weren't good.

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              • #8
                nice research maybe next year millen 2, i would give u + rep if it let me give you some! but i do agree, before martz, we gave up very few sacks but alot of that was based off the west coast offense of course. if we pound the run like colletto says he wants to, teams will have to respect that and will not be able to blitz as often as long as the run is successful. i also firmly believe that collettos passing game won't be nearly as complex as martz was, allowing quicker routes and thus the ball will be in kitnas hands less which will reduce the sack number as well

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                • #9
                  It was a tale of two season for the Lions. I give the defense just as much credit for our 7 wins as I do Martz's offense. In the first half, we were able to get a high number of turnovers and could somewhat stop the run. That is a big reason along with a good passing game is why we won 7 games.

                  As for the 9 losses, most of the time the offense was just as dreadful as the defense. The Redskin game, the Giant game, the second Minnesota game, the Charger game and the second Packer game and the first 3/4 of the Arizona game the offense was terrible. Execution had a lot to do with it but also playcalling was subpar. Reverse to McDonald,forcing the deep in route to Calvin(Martzs best play that every defense knows by now), lack of running altogether.

                  Martz can throw us under the bus. The 1-7 finish left everyone with a bitter taste, but he was part of the problem despite the explosiveness of our offense. Martz's philosophy is an extreme. We still may have a big problem next year with Colletto but we won't know until next year. I like his philosophy better at least even if he isn't an "offensive" genius.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Maybe Next Year Millen2 View Post
                    It was a tale of two season for the Lions. I give the defense just as much credit for our 7 wins as I do Martz's offense. In the first half, we were able to get a high number of turnovers and could somewhat stop the run. That is a big reason along with a good passing game is why we won 7 games.

                    As for the 9 losses, most of the time the offense was just as dreadful as the defense. The Redskin game, the Giant game, the second Minnesota game, the Charger game and the second Packer game and the first 3/4 of the Arizona game the offense was terrible. Execution had a lot to do with it but also playcalling was subpar. Reverse to McDonald,forcing the deep in route to Calvin(Martzs best play that every defense knows by now), lack of running altogether.

                    Martz can throw us under the bus. The 1-7 finish left everyone with a bitter taste, but he was part of the problem despite the explosiveness of our offense. Martz's philosophy is an extreme. We still may have a big problem next year with Colletto but we won't know until next year. I like his philosophy better at least even if he isn't an "offensive" genius.
                    It's really funny how you ignore the facts. Mooch was a successful HC in San Fran and Martz had a very solid HCing record with St. Louis, but when they both came to Detroit, we continued to lose. What is the common denominator, Matt Millen and the talent he provides his coaches to work with.
                    Martz didn't throw us under the bus, Matt Millen did it long before Martz ever got to Detroit.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Iamcanadian View Post
                      It's really funny how you ignore the facts. Mooch was a successful HC in San Fran and Martz had a very solid HCing record with St. Louis, but when they both came to Detroit, we continued to lose. What is the common denominator, Matt Millen and the talent he provides his coaches to work with.
                      Martz didn't throw us under the bus, Matt Millen did it long before Martz ever got to Detroit.
                      That's not fair to say he 'threw' us under the bus. I'd say he parked a doubledecker on our ass.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Iamcanadian View Post
                        It's really funny how you ignore the facts. Mooch was a successful HC in San Fran and Martz had a very solid HCing record with St. Louis, but when they both came to Detroit, we continued to lose. What is the common denominator, Matt Millen and the talent he provides his coaches to work with.
                        Martz didn't throw us under the bus, Matt Millen did it long before Martz ever got to Detroit.
                        Just becasue they were successful elsewhere doesn't mean they know how to build a team. Mooch inhertied Steve Young thats ignoring a big fact right there and TO. What facts am I ignoring? I'm not saying Millen isn't at fault. I'm not saying Millen didn't give us crap players instead of talent. He gave us very crappy players. I'm saying Mooch most likely wanted those crap players and Millen gave Mooch what he wanted. As Millen has done for Marinelli. He's giving Marinelli what he wants. Coaching staff, which is usually decided by the head coach, countless Buccanneer players and pretty much everyone cut from the Millen/Mooch era. Theres a difference between obtaining talent and giving the coach what he wanted.Millen and Mooch/Marinelli think they are obtaining talent. But when its time to show on the field, it doesn't. Its as much fault as Moochs as Millen. Mooch can coach but with Harrington who was a good college QB, he was doomed to fail. Who better than Mooch to develop Joey. Yes Millen picked Joey but nobody knew what a colossal failure he would be.

                        3 Wrs to an offensive minded head coach is what Mooch wanted giving him every opportunity for the West Coast to work. Joey Harrington didn't pan out who was picked before Mooch under another offensie minded head coach in Morningwheg, what did Millen do for Mooch, signed Jeff Freaking Garcia.
                        Last edited by Maybe Next Year Millen2; 04-08-2008, 09:50 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Addict View Post
                          That's not fair to say he 'threw' us under the bus. I'd say he parked a doubledecker on our ass.
                          A game of one upping eh?

                          I think Millen built a bus factory on top of our heads.

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                          • #14
                            What is funny about him saying this, is the fact that he isn't that good either. How terrible he is was just amplified by our lack of quality offensive personel.

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                            • #15
                              Think about it: Martz is a great coach when he has great players playing for him.

                              I think that says it all...
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