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  • #16
    Originally posted by Iamcanadian View Post
    I have no doubt that we will stick with Stanton just like we stuck with Harrington when Roethlisberger was available. That's the Detroit Lions for the last 50+ years.

    I don't see a feature RB in Smith. He'll be alright but nothing special IMO. Yes, he had a 35 yard run in his last game but what about the other 10 carries leading up to that run. One successful run out of 11 carries isn't going to cut it for a team that wants to pound the ball. Anyways we'll know by next year's draft whether or not Smith has met muster as our RB. If he has then indeed cross him off the list, but a team like Detroit should never cross off a potential franchise QB or didn't you read Scott Wright's article on 2nd and 3rd round drafted QB's.
    Actually I did. But my point is all those areas have at least a temporary fix. The main issue is the defensive end position, RB and QB aren't exactly manned by Peyton Manning and LaDainian Tomlinson (if only...), but for now they'll do the job, and let's face it, you don't need to be much of a QB to produce with targets like Roy and Calvin (although it remains to be seen if roy actually stays with the Lions). DE is #1 through 10 priority in my book, sure a franchise QB would be nice, but as of now we need passrushers more than I need coffee (it's 9.20 AM here)

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Addict View Post
      Actually I did. But my point is all those areas have at least a temporary fix. The main issue is the defensive end position, RB and QB aren't exactly manned by Peyton Manning and LaDainian Tomlinson (if only...), but for now they'll do the job, and let's face it, you don't need to be much of a QB to produce with targets like Roy and Calvin (although it remains to be seen if roy actually stays with the Lions). DE is #1 through 10 priority in my book, sure a franchise QB would be nice, but as of now we need passrushers more than I need coffee (it's 9.20 AM here)
      We aren't that far apart. However I'm sure Marinelli would recommend Millen take a DE over a QB, but if you are interested in winning a Super Bowl and a franchise QB is sitting there when we draft, many a top GM would take the QB. Of course I don't expect we will take a QB, that's a decision that solid teams with top GM's make not pitiful franchises like Detroit. There is always a problem when the HC decides who to draft. He is interested in winning now, that's how he keeps his job, rather than looking at the big picture and prepare the team for real success down the road. Few HC's have been solid drafters for this reason although there have been exceptions.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Iamcanadian View Post
        We aren't that far apart. However I'm sure Marinelli would recommend Millen take a DE over a QB, but if you are interested in winning a Super Bowl and a franchise QB is sitting there when we draft, many a top GM would take the QB. Of course I don't expect we will take a QB, that's a decision that solid teams with top GM's make not pitiful franchises like Detroit. There is always a problem when the HC decides who to draft. He is interested in winning now, that's how he keeps his job, rather than looking at the big picture and prepare the team for real success down the road. Few HC's have been solid drafters for this reason although there have been exceptions.
        We're probably not that far apart indeed. I understand your point, which is essentially what Scott's always saying "unless you have one, don't pass on a franchise QB", and usually I agree with that. Our defense has been improving over the past few years and all it really, really lacks is an elite pass-rusher. I'm not telling you Stanton is gonna be a superstar, but he'll be servicable for at least a year. A DE would help our team forward.

        As for the superbowl, let's focus on making the playoffs first. Gotta walk before you can run, right?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Addict View Post
          We're probably not that far apart indeed. I understand your point, which is essentially what Scott's always saying "unless you have one, don't pass on a franchise QB", and usually I agree with that. Our defense has been improving over the past few years and all it really, really lacks is an elite pass-rusher. I'm not telling you Stanton is gonna be a superstar, but he'll be servicable for at least a year. A DE would help our team forward.

          As for the superbowl, let's focus on making the playoffs first. Gotta walk before you can run, right?
          Here we don't quite agree. I'm with Scott here. Of course, a franchise QB has to be sitting there when it's your pick, otherwise it's a mute point.
          I just don't think we can be a playoff team with Kitna or Stanton. I'm sure you've seen Scott Wright's article on 2nd and 3rd round drafted QB's. it's not a pretty sight. I'm not at all sold that Stanton can ever be a starting QB in this league. I think people way overestimate how good a WR can be if your not solid at QB. I just don't think either Roy or Johnson will ever approach their potential with these guys as our QB's.
          For any decent team, the 1st question each post season is, 'can we contend for the Super Bowl next season', if the answer is yes, then you are not in a rebuilding mode and your draft strategy is simple. 'Look for that piece that can put you over the top'. However, if the answer is no and I really believe it is with Detroit, face it Millen is never going to get us even close to that point, then you are still in a rebuilding mode and you look to the future. That future must start with a very solid franchise type QB or your just going around in circles but never up. It has been 50+ years since we have had anything close to a franchise QB and it has been 50+ years since we have won a playoff game, even you have to admit that there is a correlation.
          I know, Millen will never draft another 1st round QB while he is in his current position, he finds it just too risky to contemplate. Far better to give Detroit a 2nd round QB and wet the fans appetite without having to play him for 3 or 4 seasons so they cannot claim he failed again for quite some time.
          It takes usually 3 seasons to get even a franchise QB up to snuff. By failing to draft one right away, it dooms Detroit to at least another 3 seasons of failing to be a competitive team. If Millen is around for another 2 seasons, it will be minimally be 5 years before anyone can expect us to be a playoff contender and for me that is sad, sad, sad.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Xiomera View Post
            We need improved play from the offensive guards as well. And I would rank that ahead of RB. Behind a good offensive line, any RB can look pretty decent.
            I agree not first round but we should address the OG's in the next draft.


            Here would be my priorities.

            1. NT We got rid of Rogers. We havn't found a grat replacement yet (or even if we did the guy is old) Well unless Redding is moving to NT and IAF is going to UT but I don't know how that will work out either.

            2. OG we are slowly but surely rebuilding the O-Line eventually we will have to find a replacement for Backus but I think we need t oaddress the inside as well

            3. LB as WMD said Paris Lenon is not a starting LB in this league. We meed to improve on him.

            4. CB Bian Kelly is over the hill Keith Smith is ok but is better as a NB we will need to replace Kelly to work on the other side of Bodden.
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            • #21
              rey maualuga is the pick i'd love to have. no question marks, stick him on our team and let him work. i don't want another kalimba edwards or miss on a quarterback or any kind of developmental person. i want the ready to play impact player who can hopefully provide an immediate presence on and off the field to our d the way lofa tatupa did to seattle. if he's gone then i guess roll the dice on a DE freak.
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              • #22
                SLB is not a position we should be looking to take in the first couple of rounds. All I've read and from my understanding is that SLB is the least important position on our defense. The Bears have gotten along with Hunter Hillenmeyer and I can't even name the Colts or Buccaneers SLB.

                I really don't think we will be in the top 5 either. But its pointless to argue that right now. I think we will be around 15-20.

                And some prospects in the mid first round I'm interested in

                CJ Spiller - Explosive running back. Would be a great compliment to Smith.

                Duke Robinson - Not sure how he would fit into our scheme, but his OG play would be something we haven't had for years.

                Mike Mickens, CB - Talented CB with some size. Play the NB until Kelly is gone. Insurance also for injuries (Bodden and Kelly have prior issues).

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                • #23
                  I think what we need depends on where we draft.

                  If we are drafting in the top three, or even top five then I think we need to take the franchise Quarterback. Sorry, but I don't trust Drew Stanton and it had NOTHING to do with what college he attended. It's statistically proven that 97% of the Quarterbacks drafted in the 2nd Round fail at the NFL level. I don't trust anyone on this coaching staff to turn Drew Stanton into one of those Quarterbacks in the other 3%. Do any of you? If we are drafting that high then that means that none of the Quarterbacks on our roster showed any sign of being able to lead the team forward.

                  I think if we pick in the six to ten range, then we look elsewhere unless a franchise Quarterback is still available. However, for argument's sake let's say there are none available. I think the two positions we need to look at are a franchise Left Tackle and an impact Defensive Lineman. I did like the pick of Gosder Cherilus, even if he was a reach, but he is your prototypical Right Tackle. We're still playing Jeff Backus (Suck-ass) a whole lot of money, but we need to eat that money. I'd rather pay him not to play then pay him to stand around and do nothing. There are two top notch Left Tackle prospects in this draft (Michael Oher and Eugene Monroe) and adding one of them would solidify the outside of our line for years to come. As far as the Defensive Line goes, Dewayne White and Corey Redding are fine players, but they need an impact guy playing next to them or the unit as a whole will not be effective.

                  If we pick outside of the top ten then I think we can start looking at the Linebackers and Cornerbacks of this draft while still watching out for an impact Offensive Tackle or Defensive Lineman to fall. In my opinion there are four premium positions on an NFL team. They are: Quarterback, Left Tackle, Defensive End, and Defensive Tackle. The Lions don't have a "franchise" type player at any of those four positions. Anyone remember the last team to go to a Super Bowl without a "franchise" player at a minimum of two of those positions?

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                  • #24
                    A big question mark to me is QB. If Stanton comes in and plays crappy this season... go with QB. But we need to see him play. Yeah, 97% of the QBs fail.... but you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Put him out there.

                    But then again.... I was all for Mike McMahon starting. I am still pissed about him not running it in during the Thanksgiving game when he coulda made it. Argh.


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                    • #25
                      Mike McMahon was a beast.

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                      • #26
                        we need to work on our front 7 we should go DE and then LB probably DB as well screw the offense weve tried to build it for the past 7 years

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                        • #27
                          We definitely need an LT of the future, LG of the future, a TE for the future, a DE with some real potential to rush the passer, another LB depending on where Dizon ends up, and a CB with lockdown potential for depth and the future.

                          ... and we still probably need a starting QB, a starting RB, a starting RG, might need a future and depth at DT depending on Fluellen and Cohen, possibly 2 LB's if Dizon busts, and maybe even a S if Alexander and Bullocks end up being average.


                          .... So basically draft anything besides a WR, RT, and WLB. Jeez.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by treefi View Post
                            We definitely need an LT of the future, LG of the future, a TE for the future, a DE with some real potential to rush the passer, another LB depending on where Dizon ends up, and a CB with lockdown potential for depth and the future.

                            ... and we still probably need a starting QB, a starting RB, a starting RG, might need a future and depth at DT depending on Fluellen and Cohen, possibly 2 LB's if Dizon busts, and maybe even a S if Alexander and Bullocks end up being average.


                            .... So basically draft anything besides a WR, RT, and WLB. Jeez.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Lions WMD View Post
                              We might make the Playoffs in 2019!
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                              • #30
                                Say no to Stafford. He has not had the numbers to back up his bloated hype. I'd rather try to trade for a Browns QB. Maybe Roy Williams could head to Cleveland?

                                With our top 5 pick I think you have to look at

                                Michael Oher , LT
                                Eugene Munroe , LT
                                Andre Smith, LT
                                Michael Johnson, DE
                                George Selvie, DE

                                I really don't get the idea of drafting a LB like Rey M or James L when we have no pass rush. No pass rush makes our LB kind of useless.

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