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  • #16
    I suspect Tom Kowalski sent this guy here from MLive.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Lions WMD View Post
      I suspect Tom Kowalski sent this guy here from MLive.
      I wasn't aware that anyone liked Killer enough to do anything for him.


      RIP TheManInBlack

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      • #18
        I wanna know how many Baylor games, the average fan has seen this past year. I'm not talking about hardcore draftniks like us, but your average college football fan.

        The reason I say this is because some moron called into the radio talking about how the combine and pro days are pointless and how game tape is all that matters. Then he says that Stafford sucks on film and proceeds to talk up Jason Smith. I consider myself a hardcore draftnik and I only saw Baylor play twice this year. Yet, apparently this clown has seen Jason Smith enough times to conclude that he is much better on tape.

        The sad reality is that most of these people who call into the radio or post on mlive pimping Jason Smith, have never seen him play

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        • #19
          I doubt the people who want the Lions to take Jason Smith on Mlive and that call in on the radio knew who he was in December.


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          • #20
            I'd still trade for Cutler at the drop of a hat. Denver blew it when they hired a very young inexperienced HC who obviously doesn't have people powers needed to be successful. Cutler is a steal at this point. No learning curve, proven NFL starting QB, has the arm to be very successful, and throwing to Johnson would be a dream for Detroit fans. I see little risk and a huge reward for the team that gets Cutler.
            Drafting Stafford is OK if there aren't better options but he's ranked somewhere between 6 and 8 and that means he carries a huge bust factor with him. Why take the chance if you don't have to????
            This is one of the worst drafts I have seen in my 50 odd years of following the draft, maybe even the worst in NFL history, and anybody who thinks because we have 2 first rounders and a high second rounder guarantees 3 top starting prospects is whistling in the wind. Mayhew has a tough road to hoe in this draft where even the more experienced, successful GM's will struggle to find talent. It is quite possible that we draft 3 flops or at least huge disappointments come the end of the month. If Cutler is there for the grabbing, go get him and put all the worry to rest and we can dare to dream with a solid starting QB in place.
            People talk about Jason Smith Eugene Monroe or Aaron Curry like they are safer picks. This couldn't be farther from the truth. Smith is about a raw a top 5 pick as I have ever seen and carries an immense bust factor with him and probably at best will be a solid but unspectacular LT in the NFL. He has no experience as a run blocker and he is rated the 3rd best pass blocker in this year's draft, hardly a recipe for greatness. It is being reported on NFL Network that teams are really concerned about Monroe's knees, if it's true he won't get picked in the top 5. Curry's best position is as a SLB in a 4-3, the weakest position among LB's on a 4-3 team. SLB's help in run defense and generally cover the TE on passing plays not exactly a position that makes him an impact player and using the #1 overall pick on a SLB is ridiculous and I don't believe it has ever happened before. MLB's and WLB have been drafted high on occasion but never a SLB.

            Trading for Cutler makes the most sense to me with Stafford as the second option. The Steelers, the Giants, the Colts and NE all have franchise QB's but guess what, not one of them has a LT drafted in round 1 never mind using the #1 overasll pick on one. However, 2 of them have QB's drafted #1 overall.
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            • #21
              id definitly still take cutler

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Calvin & Kevin View Post
                This in particular is a fallacious argument and also pegs you as one of those "It's the Lions' fault for ruining Joey" guys from a few years back. I HATED that argument.

                Harrington was and is a bad QB. Plain and simple. If he was any good, he would have got his MAGICAL CONFIDENCE back with another team and put his career back together.

                Real QB's don't lose confidence regardless of the situation around them. Peyton Manning went 3-13 his rookie year and got totally railed on by Jim Mora. Drew Brees went 10-18 in his first three years, got benched, and had the Chargers draft another "QB of the future" on him.

                I agree that the Lions don't have the ideal team for a QB to have success with right now. But they will need one before they can have a winning team anyway. If they think Stafford is that guy, then they should do it.
                Good point.

                Which is exactly why I don't think any QB should "sit and learn for a year or two before playing" unless there's a QB in front of him who clearly gives the team a shot at a ring.

                People always use guys like Carson Palmer as an example of why it's good to sit first, but we don't know if Palmer wouldn't have ended up just as well had he taken some lumps in the Kitna year. My guess is he would've been fine.

                Like you said, good QBs deal with adversity and improve because of it. There's only one way to get experience.

                Sorry to go off topic, but it was a good point and I felt the need to interject.
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                - Ko Simpson

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by gpngc View Post
                  Like you said, good QBs deal with adversity and improve because of it. There's only one way to get experience.
                  Well, let me ask the same question of you that I ask of him. Does that include David Carr?


                  IMO, there comes a point where adversity becomes insurmountable and even the best of us can lose faith in themselves and their own abilities.

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                  • #24
                    Yes it includes David Carr! What is he, the poster child for QB's that don't deserve to get blamed for being bad?

                    Honestly, though, I never felt like Carr was all that bad. When he was with the Texans, most of the time he never had good enough protection to get anything done, but when he did, he wasn't that bad. He never threw many TD's though.

                    Since then, he hasn't had that much of a chance, unlike Harrington who was handed another starting slot in Miami and then an honest chance to compete in Atlanta and couldn't do anything with either opportunity.

                    So really I don't feel like the book is totally closed on Carr. If you look at his stats in Houston, he had three seasons of over 60% completions despite getting sacked 259 times in five years (Harrington in his 4 Lions seasons was sacked 77 times). So that's pretty good to me.

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                    • #25
                      I'd be happier having a losing season in spite of a franchise qb than having a losing season because we don't have the balls to draft one.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by P-L View Post
                        I wanna know how many Baylor games, the average fan has seen this past year. I'm not talking about hardcore draftniks like us, but your average college football fan.

                        The reason I say this is because some moron called into the radio talking about how the combine and pro days are pointless and how game tape is all that matters. Then he says that Stafford sucks on film and proceeds to talk up Jason Smith. I consider myself a hardcore draftnik and I only saw Baylor play twice this year. Yet, apparently this clown has seen Jason Smith enough times to conclude that he is much better on tape.

                        The sad reality is that most of these people who call into the radio or post on mlive pimping Jason Smith, have never seen him play
                        Judging from how loved he is on this site, I don't think many have seen ANY of Jason Smith.
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                        • #27
                          I would still trade for Cutler too, but I don't want to give up more than one pick for him (unless the second one is a later round pick). I'm really high on Stafford, so I just can't justify trading a 1st and 2nd or 1st and 3rd for Cutler.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by P-L View Post
                            I would still trade for Cutler too, but I don't want to give up more than one pick for him (unless the second one is a later round pick). I'm really high on Stafford, so I just can't justify trading a 1st and 2nd or 1st and 3rd for Cutler.
                            I cannot agree as much as I like Stafford, in this weak top end draft, he hasn't been able to break into the top 5 rankings so he's not the prospect people think he is and given the success rate of junior QB's, I think it is a no brainer that we send the #1 overall pick plus a few more if necessary for Cutler where there is absolutely no risk. Why would you want to take the risk that Stafford flops when you don't have to??? Cutler will play for another decade at a very high level, what more could you want????
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Lions WMD View Post
                              So who's gonna be our starting QB next year? Just sign another Free Agent? Sounds like a recipe for success to me.
                              If we draft Stafford, he won't/shouldn't be our starter next year. And if he is, he'll probably stink.

                              The QB situation for the 09 season should have zero bearing on drafting Stafford or not.

                              Fact is, we'd draft Stafford to be our QB for 2010 and beyond. We'd draft Jason Smith to be our Left Tackle for 2009 and beyond. Part of the equation when evaluating the 2 options should be the fact that we will get nothing from Stafford in 2009. Even if he's a great rookie QB (which is highly unlikely) he's still not going to play at a very high level, a rookie QB can only be so good, especially in our situation. He's just not a factor in 09. And regardless, we're not gonna be a factor in 09 so the cap space/money we pay for it is irrelevant to us.

                              That said I'm perfectly happy to draft Stafford, I'm just really tired of people asking "IF WE DONT DRAFT HIM WHOS OUR QB NEXT YEAR" or "IF WE DONT DRAFT HIM WE'VE ONLY GOT CULPEPPER AND STANTON IN 2009".

                              The Donte Culpepper Era is in full swing whether we draft Stafford or not.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by JJKID View Post
                                Lets take a look At Lions QB's Drafted in the first two rounds since 1986. This doesn't mention the 11 million dollar Mistake i call Scott Mitchell. Also the "only reason you have a job is Barry Sanders" Rodney Pete.
                                2007-43 Drew Stanton QB Michigan State
                                2002- 3 Joey Harrington QB Oregon
                                1998-60 Charlie Batch QB Eastern Michigan
                                1990-7 Andre Ware QB Houston
                                1986-12 Chuck Long QB Iowa

                                The Lions have a long history of Horrible QB's. We have coaches like Wayne fonts and front office Guys like Matt Millen. When you have a front office who gets rid of talent and makes no effort to improve so much so that A legend Like Barry Sanders won't return you know you have an organization who doesn't want to when titles. We have coaches like Wayne fonts and front office Guys like Matt Millen.
                                So this your we will waste another draft pick on QB how has no supporting cast and he will take such a beating that his confidence will be shot and he will never reach his potential. He will be another Joey Harrington. Lets Pick up an offensive line and a defense that will keep the other team under 20 something points a game. Then we can draft a QB who will have a chance to succeed. To many great prospects at the QB position have been busts. But solid OT's or Defensive front positions are always a win.[/B] Do the Right thing!!!
                                Dating back 10 years, here are some of our great picks at OLine and the Defensive front 7. Top two rounds.

                                1999
                                Chris Claiborne LB
                                Aaron Gibson OT
                                2000
                                Stockar McDougal OT
                                Barrett Green LB
                                2001
                                Jeff Backus OT
                                Dominic Raiola C
                                Shaun Rogers DT
                                2002
                                Kalimba Edwards DE
                                2003
                                Boss Bailey LB
                                2004
                                Teddy Lehman LB
                                2005
                                Shaun Cody DE
                                2006
                                Ernie Sims LB
                                2007
                                Ikaika Alama-Francis DE
                                2008
                                Jordan Dizon LB

                                So in the last 10 years or so there has been 2 Offensive Line or Front 7 picks that worked out. There is no safe pick, especially for the Lions!

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