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  • #16
    Originally posted by Iamcanadian View Post
    And if Stafford flops what do you have then but another wasted draft. Stafford even if he succeeds will need 3 or 4 years to reach his potential and if he is a flop, it will be like Harrington all over where we won't be sure for the 1st 3 years, while a Cutler is there now and carries no risk for failure.
    If Stafford flops we are looking at a minimum of 6 years before we will have a QB in place. Why take the risk if Cutler is being served up on a platter.
    No risk of failure? Do you watch football? When you take a player from one system and move him to another there is ALWAYS risk of failure.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by tblain1 View Post
      Will it take a top 10? Who is in the running? Jets, Bucs, Bears, Lions. 17, 18, 19, 20th overall picks (plus Lions #1). I guess another team in the top 10 could step but who:

      * Seattle - Likely no; too many other positions to fill
      * KC - They just got a franchise QB for less than a 1st
      * St. Louis - they have bigger holes to fill with #2
      * Cleveland - that would make 3 starting QBs and one football
      * Cincy - Carson Palmer
      * Oakland - JaMarcus Russell- You don't give up on a Top 5 QB this early unless his name is Tim Couch or Akili Smith or Joey Harrington or David Carr or Alex Smith or JaMarcus.. oops! Plus they are inter-divisional.
      * Jacksonville - David Garrad - not an immediate need but possible.
      * Green Bay - Aaron Rodgers - they have other holes to fill.

      The only possibilities I see there are Jacksonville and possibly St. Louis but they are not as likely candidates to want to trade as the four teams who have been spoken of already.

      if it takes a top 10 pick its not getting done. Thats just what the market bears right now.

      The Giants overpaid like idiots for Eli. It paid off...yes but they gave up more than they should have considering Eli stated he didnt want to go to San Diego. I don't look at that trade as a precedent.
      Not so, their interest is real. They are sending half the staff down to L.A. for the Trojans pro day to check out Mark Sanchez. With a new coach in town and their fragile QB situation they are very much going to make offers for Cutler. They can offer the #4 pick along with other assets so they would be in a select group that can get it done.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by tblain1 View Post
        Agreed. For everyone telling me "you can't base picking Stafford on other QB flops", I keep thinking "when you are the Lions and there is a known quantity on the table you can."

        This organization should take as many sure things as they possibly can, because unlike other teams, a failed risk doesn't mean "Oh we just missed the playoffs this year." It means "our team is THE WORST TEAM EVER AGAIN THIS YEAR."

        I'll take Cutler+Smith or even Curry over Stafford+BPA OT/BPA CB/Laurinitis.
        Smith is not as much of a sure thing as Monroe in my opinion, and the Lions have drafted plenty of busts at offensive tackle. I really like Cutler, but I'm not go jeopardize the future (giving up two of our first three picks is probably what it's going to take) for one disgruntled player. We don't even know if Cutler wants to be here. If he doesn't want to be in Denver with a pair of good receivers and a top left tackle, what makes anyone think he's going to play his heart out in Detroit? Give me the guy who wants to be here and is very similar to Cutler when he was a prospect, if it means only giving up one pick for him.

        Also, I highly doubt that we get Cutler unless we give up #1 and #33. Very few, if any, teams want the #1 overall pick. I've said this in other threads, but Washington has to be in the driver's seat for Cutler's service. Jason Campbell and #13 overall is probably more appealing to Denver than #1 and #20 or #33.

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        • #19
          http://www.freep.com/article/2009040...o+after+Cutler

          I agree with Michael Rosenberg in this article ... and with most of you for that matter, on going after Cutler HARD!!! 25. Pro Bowler. Best football in front of him ... even if he's a bit of a princess ;o) I think the #20 & #65 pick are a reasonable swap with Denver. This allows the Broncos to get Sanchez at #12 who fits the wide open offense they will run in Denver, allowing him to sit behind Chris Simms for 1 year. Also, we get a LT #1 overall (Smith/Monroe) and a DT/MLB with #33 and a TE for Cutler to pass to with #84 pick.

          One piece of information worth noting ... Bus Cook, who represents Cutler, also is the agent of Megatron! How about that for a hook up?!

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          • #20
            My question to everyone here is ... do we even want Cutler? This has nothing to do with what is going on here you can even take that out of the equation. Before you hit me over the head with a trout hear me out.

            My Stafford vs Cutler points.

            - Does he want to be in Detroit? I doubt he would be a whinny baby about coming to the D because that is career suicide. But would he be a good soldier play his games and bolt the first chance he gets? Cutlers contract must be up soon and he knows there will be better teams offering him more money to come. See Tampa Bay.

            - Stafford has said publicly and on multiple occasions "I want to be in Detroit"

            - Cutler is a 25 year old Pro Bowl QB with a cannon arm who could stretch the field which (I imagine) is exactly what our OC is going to do with Megatron.

            -Stafford is really a Cutler clone big armed gunslinger but is not a proven commodity like Cutler.

            - Some have said Cutler has been given the bad team mate label and if true that would make me question his leadership abilities.

            - Stafford is a great leader and showed it in Georgia.

            - With Cutler we would be able to keep the #1 overall pick.But would cost us multiple other picks lets assume #20, #33, 2010 2nd. (Splitting the difference between our last offer 20, 3rd, and 2010 2nd and 20 and 2010 1st)

            - Stafford costs us only the #1 pick.

            -Cutler is a sure thing

            - Stafford is 50/50

            - Cutler is diabetic but no other health concerns

            - Stafford has no health concerns

            So assuming that the trade would be 20, 33, 2010 2nd

            Which would you rather have day 1 (well OLD day 1)

            Cutler, (Smith, Monroe or Raji) , Sen'Derrick Marks, Jasper Brinkley

            -or-

            Stafford, (Beaty Pettigrew, Mau, Brace),Hood,2 3rd rounders
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            • #21
              It sounds like Jason Campbell may be traded for draft pick bate in the Cutler sweepstakes.

              How do people like this idea: 13, Colt Brennan and Campbell compensation for Cutler.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by StorminNorman View Post
                It sounds like Jason Campbell may be traded for draft pick bate in the Cutler sweepstakes.

                How do people like this idea: 13, Colt Brennan and Campbell compensation for Cutler.
                As a Lion fan I wouldn't like it 'cuz that would mean we didnt get him, but one question I have is why Denver would want both Campbell and Brennan?

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                • #23
                  I stopped in to see what you guys were saying about the possibilities of the trade, and I had to weigh in...

                  I would not trade the first pick for Cutler.

                  Cutler is not a sure thing in Detroit. Yea, he would have the best young WR to throw to, but I would say not much can be expected next year. Regardless of if it is Cutler or Stafford throwing the ball.

                  If I could trade #20 and a 3rd for Cutler I would. But I would try and trade down out of #1 pick.

                  I would STRONGLY disagree that this is the worst draft in the last 50 years. There may not be a clear cut #1, but there is plenty of talent into the second round.

                  If I could not work a deal for Cutler(once again, not the first pick) I would...well, I am not sure what I would do. Probably trade down anyway, or trade down and try to pick up additional picks next year. But if you can trade down, you do it. Nothing says Stafford (who I like) wont be there later. He could fall. It has happened before.
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                  • #24
                    I think Chris Mortensen said that the Broncos want two Round 1's for Cutler.. so it'd be #20 and our first next year.

                    That's a lot of money for us to invest.. The #1 Pick would be an OT signed to a big ass contract, along with a new monster contract extension for Cutler.. Not to mention, we've got Jeff Backus on a damn big contract too..

                    With that cost, don't you think we'd be better off taking Stafford #1?

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                    • #25
                      Keep in mind that Cutler isn't really making that much money per year. He doesn't make over 2 million in base salary between now and 2012 when he becomes a free agent, excluding the 12 million dollar roster bonus that he would be due in 2011. Of course, that's all null because he'd be getting a new contract as a Lion anyway.

                      However, think of the money being saved in those two picks you brought up. The 20th overall pick is going to garner at least 7 million in guaranteed cash (and probably closer to 10 million) while a top 10 pick next year from Detroit would cost an average of 23 million. So that's somewhere between 30 and 35 million guaranteed dollars between those two picks for an established NFL quarterback who was an MVP candidate for a portion of the 2008 season. That itself would probably neatly balance against Cutler's new contract anyway.

                      The real question is whether you want a quarterback who was so easily butt-hurt by McDaniels less than offensive action. I know everyone is jumping all over McDaniels too, and as a Raider fan I'd like to believe that the Broncos have hired a dud, but I can't convince myself of it. How much of this is Bus Cook and how much is Cutler is a mystery not likely to be solved, but the reason this situation is where it is can be rooted in that site of the dispute. And you'd be getting Cook as well in any trade unless Cutler fires him.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Lions WMD View Post
                        I think Chris Mortensen said that the Broncos want two Round 1's for Cutler.. so it'd be #20 and our first next year.

                        That's a lot of money for us to invest.. The #1 Pick would be an OT signed to a big ass contract, along with a new monster contract extension for Cutler.. Not to mention, we've got Jeff Backus on a damn big contract too..

                        With that cost, don't you think we'd be better off taking Stafford #1?
                        I would hate for money to be the thing stopping us. Why have all the cap space then? You can still save 5 million by cutting Culpepper. Any team should be able to get around the cap, it should not be an issue.

                        Basically, your looking at two separate 30+ million guaranteed contracts.

                        Mortensen also said that Denver doesn't necessarily want a QB back as well which bodes well for us.

                        Edit - This may also be a chance for us to acquire Jason Campbell.

                        I read on teh rotoworld that Washington offered Campbell to another team for a second rounder today. So could you imagine a draft of

                        1A - Jason Smith, LT - Baylor
                        1B - Peria Jerry, DT - Ole Miss
                        2nd-Jason Campbell, QB - Redskins
                        Last edited by Scotty D; 04-02-2009, 03:28 AM.

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                        • #27
                          id take cambell for a second.


                          I wonder how much denver can really get for cutler. The two firsts seem high considering cassell went only for a second.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by detroit4life View Post
                            id take cambell for a second.


                            I wonder how much denver can really get for cutler. The two firsts seem high considering cassell went only for a second.
                            I said it in the other thread, Redskins don't care about draft picks. They'll ship away as many as it takes as long as they get what they want now.

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