Cleveland Browns(1-8) at Detroit Lions(1-8), Nov 22. 1pm

[Scotty D]

Discuss your suggestions for game plans and how you think the game will play out

Shaun Rogers return to Detroit?
Who steps up on the offensive line?
Will Stafford throw another 50 passes?


I'll share more later but I think we should be able to pull this one out. 17-13 Lions.

Edit - Josh Cribbs vs Stan Kwan!!!!!!!!! (Cribbs suffered a concussion on MNF so I doubt he plays, but if it wasn't a concussion watch out!)

[Maybe Next Year Millen2]

This game is going to be an instant classic.

Terrible defense vs terrible offense.

I think Shaun Rogers will have a good game.

1st pick on the line.

[Prowler]

the browns can't score.

the lions can score about 17.

lions win, but this is a really horrible game.

[tblain1]

Discuss your suggestions for game plans and how you think the game will play out

Shaun Rogers return to Detroit?
Who steps up on the offensive line?
Will Stafford throw another 50 passes?


I'll share more later but I think we should be able to pull this one out. 17-13 Lions.

Edit - Josh Cribbs vs Stan Kwan!!!!!!!!! (Cribbs suffered a concussion on MNF so I doubt he plays, but if it wasn't a concussion watch out!)

9-3 Lions.

I don't fear their offense, but I definitely fear what they can potentially do on defense if we don't give Stafford more time. Stafford will throw 50 passes unless he gets injured. I see Kevin Smith averaging 2.5 ypc.

[Brodeur]

If the defense plays terrible against the Browns I lose all faith. Then again if Ernie Sims isn't playing, they should be alright.

[Maybe Next Year Millen2]

Yeah if Brady Quinn throws for 300 Yards. Seriously **** that. Especially without Cribbs, and only Massaquio,Robiskie and Furrey. My goodness Furrey.

Browns can't stop the run. They give 166 YPG on the ground. Thats like Lions bad last year in run D. If Kevin Smith doesn't get 100 yards **** that.

I don't just want I win. I want a ******* rout, total destruction, Mangini gets his ass handed to him. A win isn't good enough for me. Its a game where nobody wins unless its a rout.

[Scotty D]

Also keep on an eye on the healthy scratches from last week Cliff Avril, Landon Cohen and there was one other guy. But it will be interesting to see how they respond.

[P-L]

Lions - 17, Browns - 10 is my guess.

[SINCE1978]

It's best that the viewing public will not see this disgrace on a professional football game. Detroit must win thsi or they are the #1 pick ... again.

[Iamcanadian]

Psychologically it is an important game for this year and it is at home which is a huge edge when 2 bad teams play each other. However nothing is guaranteed and in a way, the winner gets punished on draft day. If you are going to get the possible #1 overall pick and say a Claussen is rated that high, then a huge trade down is very likely a la San Diego/Giants and it can speed up the rebuilding process by a couple of years. Franchise QB's in the draft are definitely a tradable item on draft day especially a top 5 calibre one.
If I'm the coach or GM, I'd actually prefer to lose this game, winning it could cost us an extra #1 pick in 2011 and an extra 2nd and 5th rounder, maybe even an extra 3rd rounder, either in 2010 or 2011. After all nobody at this point has a clue to how high the QB's in this year's draft are rated. So while I would like a win, which is really more important???

[tblain1]

Psychologically it is an important game for this year and it is at home which is a huge edge when 2 bad teams play each other. However nothing is guaranteed and in a way, the winner gets punished on draft day. If you are going to get the possible #1 overall pick and say a Claussen is rated that high, then a huge trade down is very likely a la San Diego/Giants and it can speed up the rebuilding process by a couple of years. Franchise QB's in the draft are definitely a tradable item on draft day especially a top 5 calibre one.
If I'm the coach or GM, I'd actually prefer to lose this game, winning it could cost us an extra #1 pick in 2011 and an extra 2nd and 5th rounder, maybe even an extra 3rd rounder, either in 2010 or 2011. After all nobody at this point has a clue to how high the QB's in this year's draft are rated. So while I would like a win, which is really more important???

Last year I would have said lose, this year I want a win.

Stafford had to have confidence in something. Calvin Johnson has to put together some sort highlight reel game. Kevin Smith has to break a long one. At some point these guys need something positive to build on. I'll take a the #3->#5 pick over the #1 pick (and the money it takes to sign that pick) at this point. I want a Lions win and realistically this game is very winnable.

Besides when is the last time someone traded into the top five? You mentioned the Manning trade but thats not likely to happen again for a while and no one projects like Manning now. Reason being is because the college season is already over and no QB projects at #1 overall now and no one out there wants to take a chance for the money on a #1 pick. We didnt get bites last year on the Stafford slot I dont think we would get any this year either. Most big market teams willing to take risks have QBs (NYJ, NYG, Chi, NE).

[Prowler]

i want a win for larry foote. i wouldn't mind losing and securing suh/okung though.

[Iamcanadian]

Last year I would have said lose, this year I want a win.

Stafford had to have confidence in something. Calvin Johnson has to put together some sort highlight reel game. Kevin Smith has to break a long one. At some point these guys need something positive to build on. I'll take a the #3->#5 pick over the #1 pick (and the money it takes to sign that pick) at this point. I want a Lions win and realistically this game is very winnable.

Besides when is the last time someone traded into the top five? You mentioned the Manning trade but thats not likely to happen again for a while and no one projects like Manning now. Reason being is because the college season is already over and no QB projects at #1 overall now and no one out there wants to take a chance for the money on a #1 pick. We didnt get bites last year on the Stafford slot I dont think we would get any this year either. Most big market teams willing to take risks have QBs (NYJ, NYG, Chi, NE).

Well, the Jets traded up into the top 5 to secure Sanchez, money didn't stop them.
The fact remains that Stafford had his doubters. Mayock questioned his overall accuracy and he wasn't rated as high as people think on some boards, some teams had Sanchez at #1.
In Ryan's draft year, most gurus didn't see him as a sure fire top 5 pick till Mayock started raving about him in January. That is how the draft works for knowledge of the prospects. Right now teams main interests is concentrating on their next game but come January after most of the team's are eliminated from the Super Bowl, a lot more emphasis is placed on scouting college players and a lot more organization personnel become aware of how their team's draft board looks. Hence leaks begin to surface about players true draft spots on team's boards, this continues right through the post season and by the end of it, we all generally know how high prospects are truly rated. Right now, we really have little knowledge of how prospects are actually rated.
To win consistently in the NFL, you need a franchise QB and if one is available in a draft some teams will offer a lot to move up. That is never going to change.
I follow the draft very closely but all we have now is a lot of gurus opinions of how high the QB's rate. Starting in January, we will get a much more thorough analysis from NFL.com of how good this year's crop is. Until then, we are really in the dark as to who the pros actually see as the top QB prospects and how high they rank them.
I agree that if this year's crop is rated as mediocre, I doubt a top 5 pick gets traded for a chance at one of them.
Top 5 picks are traded for about 2-3 times every decade, it certainly doesn't happen very often now or in the past but we are in a unique situation for a team with potentially the #1 overall pick in that we don't require a QB. It is a very rare occurrence as generally the team holding the #1 overall pick is desperate to find a starting QB. Given our situation, if as I happen to believe, there is a franchise QB available in this year's draft, an unique situation could put us on the road to a major trade where we add numerous extra picks in exchange for our #1 overall pick. I can see us wanting to trade down a bit since we are very likely to not draft another QB.
This is just my opinion and certainly doesn't guarantee a trade by any means. I just happen to believe that our unique situation offers us the potential for a major trade, we just have to find a buyer like Cleveland did last year.

[Scotty D]

http://www.freep.com/article/2009112...036/1048/rss03

Cribbs expected to play.

[WMD]

Browns - 23 (Cribbs KR TD, Jamal Lewis rushing TD, three FGs; including a last second FG to win the game)
Lions - 21 (Kevin Smith rushing TD, TD passes to Calvin and Pettigrew)

And if this is 100% correct, you all must pay me $200