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  • Lions Combine Thoughts-"Oh My Gosh Freak-out Prediction Thread"

    Okung is being favored by sportsbook to put 225lbs up 38.5 times. at 6'5" 307lbs and 36 inch arms. if he beats iupati then will he move up to our spot?

    this is hot on the heels of mlive's fine journalism piece
    http://blog.mlive.com/highlightreel/...s_first-r.html
    When asked about how the Lions should continue with that rebuild, Thornton provided an interesting answer.

    "If it were me, I wouldn't spend a pick that high on a tackle."

    John Thornton intimately knows the defensive system Detroit wants to perfect. It involves fresh linemen to be rotated into the game and wear down the offense. Thornton isn't so sure that Schwartz needs or wants a defensive linemen so high in the draft.

    In fact, before Haynesworth, Schwartz never had "that guy," on his line.

    Thornton was just the first to leave Tennessee for greener pastures. Later, Jevon Kearse, Robaire Smith, Kevin Carter, and eventually Haynesworth would all receive big money deals in other cities after starting for the Titans.

    The system never warranted keeping those linemen with big money deals.

    Thornton points to current Titans defensive lineman, Tony Brown – an undrafted free agent in 2004 – as the antithesis of picking a defensive tackle at number two.

    "Any guy you pick that high will be considered a bust."

    Note that he did not say the two highest-rated defensive tackles, Oklahoma's Gerald McCoy or Nebraska's Ndamukong Suh will be a bust. Only that they will be considered by much of their respective fan bases to be as such. When a team drafts a player first overall, the young man is set to earn around $30 million guaranteed.

    Are two or three sacks worth $30 million?
    and the free press' recent
    Is the Backus-to-left-guard scenario still in play?

    “I think he has that skill set that he can do it,” Schwartz said. “He was our best run-blocker this year. …

    “He can play left tackle. Could he play left guard? Sure, if that’s something he ends up doing. I think he could play either one. But I have a lot of comfort level with him, and I think we all do from the standpoint of, he’s very, very consistent. He’s very durable. You add all those things in it, you’ll find a place for that guy to play.”

    For the record, the Lions are not considering moving right tackle Gosder Cherilus to guard, even though the 2008 first-round pick struggled so badly he was benched toward the end of last season.


    seriously this is a FREAKOUT thread. get it out of your system here before posting it someplace serious. try the idea out, and if it works then post it someplace else. for all intents and purposes this is a nonjudgmental forum. explore the idea of trading down and taking dez bryant here!.......or just discuss the combine and how it relates to the lions. seriously either one.

  • Addict
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    Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
    I didn't catch it, but I would also agree McCoy has probably the best character in this draft outside of Tebow, nothing about him is even close to being bad character at all. I would have to go back to look for that blurb, but I highly doubt it was in the context you thought it was, just because McCoy isn't that type of player at all.


    I found some interesting things about McCoy after the combine also:

    I guess it depends on who you ask, but some teams are very very high on McCoy after the combine, so I really don't think he's played himself out of the #2 spot.
    He might have kept himself at #1 even, if Spags really likes him. Good news for the Lions, having to take Suh :P.

    If they trade down I'll throw a tempter tantrum

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  • LonghornsLegend
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    Originally posted by broth223 View Post
    Any proof of this?
    I didn't catch it, but I would also agree McCoy has probably the best character in this draft outside of Tebow, nothing about him is even close to being bad character at all. I would have to go back to look for that blurb, but I highly doubt it was in the context you thought it was, just because McCoy isn't that type of player at all.


    I found some interesting things about McCoy after the combine also:



    According to CBS' Charley Casserly, the consensus at the Combine was that Gerald McCoy is a slightly better prospect than Ndamukong Suh.
    Suh had more college production in a read-and-react scheme and easily had a better Combine, but NFL evaluators apparently still think McCoy offers more upside. "It's a little more McCoy 1A and Suh 1B," said Casserly. "I ask two questions: Who's the better athlete and who's the better pass rusher? McCoy comes up more often than not as the yes guy there."
    Source: St. Louis Post-Dispatch

    According to FoxSports.com's John Czarnecki, Rams coach Steve Spagnuolo would select Oklahoma DT Gerald McCoy if the draft was today.
    Spags apparently feels strongly enough about McCoy that the rest of the front office would go along the pick. Fans of Sam Bradford in the organization will have to wait for his pro day in late March to build momentum. If Bradford is able to allay doubts about his shoulder, we still believe the Rams will end up going quarterback at No. 1. Mar. 2 - 6:46 pm et
    Source: FoxSports.com


    I guess it depends on who you ask, but some teams are very very high on McCoy after the combine, so I really don't think he's played himself out of the #2 spot.

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  • Brothgar
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    Originally posted by Me Likey Rookies View Post
    at broth223:

    McCoy is as high character a guy as there is. He said "i refuse" to himself (to make himself do better), not to the coach.
    Any proof of this?

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  • Me Likey Rookies
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    at broth223:

    McCoy is as high character a guy as there is. He said "i refuse" to himself (to make himself do better), not to the coach.

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  • frubulubu
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    Originally posted by Scotty D View Post
    I think I'd be ok with using our second on Best, Matthews, or Tate. I'd rather sign a FA RB and draft Blount in the 3rd or 4th.
    Matthews please and thank you!

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  • Brothgar
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    Originally posted by Scotty D View Post
    I think we may get Cro for just a 5th. Doesn't seem like teams are trying to beat our offer and we seem reluctant to give up Morris.
    fair enough

    Originally posted by Scotty D View Post
    You are that down on McCoy???
    .
    A few things I saw yeterday soured me on McCoy.

    1. 23 reps. Kyle Wilson had more. No DT who is suppose to go top 5 should get less reps thn a cb.

    2. 40yd dash - didn' do bad but didn't beat Suh.

    3. the 3 Cone drill (and ths is the big one) - bombed first attempt the coach said something McCoy said "I refuse" I'm trying to find it to make sure I'm not crazy. But if I'm not that screams char issues.

    This with Okung blowing it up makes me not want McCoy.

    Originally posted by Scotty D View Post
    Weatherspoon is a beast. I also really like Daryl Washington out of TCU. This is a very good RB class and we should be able to get a good one if we wait until the third.
    Spoon is all that is man. Asfor RB I think Mathews and tate are the best in the class

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  • Prowler
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    i wouldn't argue with okung over mccoy. if we're rebuilding then it doesn't matter if we have a jeff backus. bpa approach doesn't consider a mediocre soon to be 33 year old tackle as a sticking point to not taking a top valued player.

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  • Scotty D
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    Originally posted by broth223 View Post
    My this will not happen dream FA + draft

    FA

    Daunta Robinson
    trade 5th & RB Morris for cro

    1. Suh or Okung I have crossed McCoy off my board @2 after combine.
    2. Weatherspoon, Mathews, DT, DE, BPA
    3. Selvie, Johnson, B. Tate, Gerhardt
    4. OG
    5.
    I think we may get Cro for just a 5th. Doesn't seem like teams are trying to beat our offer and we seem reluctant to give up Morris. You are that down on McCoy??? Weatherspoon is a beast. I also really like Daryl Washington out of TCU. This is a very good RB class and we should be able to get a good one if we wait until the third.

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  • Brothgar
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    My this will not happen dream FA + draft

    FA

    Daunta Robinson
    trade 5th & RB Morris for cro

    1. Suh or Okung I have crossed McCoy off my board @2 after combine.
    2. Weatherspoon, Mathews, DT, DE, BPA
    3. Selvie, Johnson, B. Tate, Gerhardt
    4. OG
    5.

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  • SINCE1978
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    McCourty or Wilson with pick #34 would be awesome.

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  • woodnick
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    Originally posted by noondog View Post
    McCourty has been VERY impressive imo. I'm starting to like him a lot.
    I agree, seems very fluid. Plus our Coaches should have a great idea of the type of player he is due to coaching him in the Senior Bowl.

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  • woodnick
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    Originally posted by DoWnThEfiElD View Post
    100% agreed. We have a shot at one of the two best players, who are basically tied. This staff is about getting difference makers, I think it would be a real stretch to get them off this pick.

    I could see it getting done, but for more than 2 2010 1st round picks. So that being said, I don't see us moving.

    I actually think that our 2nd round pick could be the perfect place to trade down off of if some talent we are targeting isn't there. There are plenty of 2nd/3rd round corners that would provide great value if one with a first round grade doesn't drop.
    This is what I'm really starting to think...especially considering that most of the guys we would be interested in look like they are gonna be gone, like Graham, Iupati, Wilson, almost any OT, etc.

    The value that will be available in mid 2nd through mid 3rd should be great and Mayhew has to figure out how to add picks in this range.

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  • noondog
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    McCourty has been VERY impressive imo. I'm starting to like him a lot.

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  • DoWnThEfiElD
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    Originally posted by cotts1 View Post
    I don't think anyone truly believes we will trade out of the 2nd spot....I sure don't....
    100% agreed. We have a shot at one of the two best players, who are basically tied. This staff is about getting difference makers, I think it would be a real stretch to get them off this pick.

    I could see it getting done, but for more than 2 2010 1st round picks. So that being said, I don't see us moving.

    I actually think that our 2nd round pick could be the perfect place to trade down off of if some talent we are targeting isn't there. There are plenty of 2nd/3rd round corners that would provide great value if one with a first round grade doesn't drop.
    Last edited by DoWnThEfiElD; 03-02-2010, 05:02 PM.

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