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  • #16
    I'd take Okung in a heartbeat if he is rated as a top 5 prospect in this year's draft. This is a very strong and deep draft and is particularly strong at the DL positions with as many as 45 projected to go in the top 4 rounds.
    I've followed the draft a long time and DLmen often have trouble adjusting to the next level and often disappoint and never reach their potential.
    I've also heard that from pick 20 to pick 48, the talent differential is minuscule with the 48th pick having a solid chance to be better than the guy picked #20. IMO, we can find a stud DLmen in rounds 2 or 3 who potentially could turnout to be even better than Suh or McCoy but we aren't likely going to find a LT past round 1.
    So, we could have an all pro LT and a very solid at worse, DLmen, or we can draft a DLman and leave LT to another year putting Stafford at risk with a chance his career is shortened. I just don't like the odds for Stafford if we leave him unprotected for another year and I don't want to put the whole rebuilding stage at risk just because we feel the defense needs a lot of work. The defense can be helped considerably whether we draft Suh or McCoy or not. Round 2 is going to have a solid 1st round talent left on the DL when we use our second pick so why not solve 2 serious problems in one stroke.
    Just my thoughts on the matter.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Iamcanadian View Post
      I'd take Okung in a heartbeat if he is rated as a top 5 prospect in this year's draft. This is a very strong and deep draft and is particularly strong at the DL positions with as many as 45 projected to go in the top 4 rounds.
      I've followed the draft a long time and DLmen often have trouble adjusting to the next level and often disappoint and never reach their potential.
      I've also heard that from pick 20 to pick 48, the talent differential is minuscule with the 48th pick having a solid chance to be better than the guy picked #20. IMO, we can find a stud DLmen in rounds 2 or 3 who potentially could turnout to be even better than Suh or McCoy but we aren't likely going to find a LT past round 1.
      So, we could have an all pro LT and a very solid at worse, DLmen, or we can draft a DLman and leave LT to another year putting Stafford at risk with a chance his career is shortened. I just don't like the odds for Stafford if we leave him unprotected for another year and I don't want to put the whole rebuilding stage at risk just because we feel the defense needs a lot of work. The defense can be helped considerably whether we draft Suh or McCoy or not. Round 2 is going to have a solid 1st round talent left on the DL when we use our second pick so why not solve 2 serious problems in one stroke.
      Just my thoughts on the matter.
      I know this draft is deep but saying that we can find someone that is close in talent to Suh or McCoy with our 2nd round pick? That's ridiculous.


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      • #18
        Originally posted by wingboy2999 View Post
        I know this draft is deep but saying that we can find someone that is close in talent to Suh or McCoy with our 2nd round pick? That's ridiculous.
        I think his argument is that you can find a DT in the 2nd or 3rd that can have a closer impact to a Suh/McCoy than you can an OT who will have as close an impact as Okung.

        Personally, as long as we draft one of these 3 I'm gonna be good with the selection. Additionally, I really think that Linval Joseph would be a great pick for us in the 3rd if we go Okung at 2.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by SINCE1978 View Post
          Repeat ... as a former lineman, don't listen to average Joe sports talk radio jockey about the ease of switching positions on the Oline. If they have not done it, they are guessing & trust me, it's difficult. Not impossible, but difficult.

          It drives me nuts when people blindly say drafting a LT moving Backus inside fills 2 holes on your line. Wrong answer, that is sooo off base! That is essentially like putting 2 rookies in your starting line up. Does that make Stafford better? I say no way, it does not give me that warm fuzzy feeling.

          I moved from C to RT. It took me a few seasons to really get it ...
          Wow, C to RT, those are pretty different skill sets that are required at those positions. I don't know if Backus would be able to make a smooth transition from LT to RT, but IMO a move from LT to RT would generally be easier than a move from C to RT.

          If Backus couldn't make the transition and beat out Gosder, then we could simply cut him and save around $6 mill, or at least $4.95 mill depending on when his option bonus is due, or maybe we could ship him to a team that misses out on a OT for a mid to low draft pick in 2011.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by SINCE1978 View Post
            Repeat ... as a former lineman, don't listen to average Joe sports talk radio jockey about the ease of switching positions on the Oline. If they have not done it, they are guessing & trust me, it's difficult. Not impossible, but difficult.

            It drives me nuts when people blindly say drafting a LT moving Backus inside fills 2 holes on your line. Wrong answer, that is sooo off base! That is essentially like putting 2 rookies in your starting line up. Does that make Stafford better? I say no way, it does not give me that warm fuzzy feeling.

            I moved from C to RT. It took me a few seasons to really get it ...
            I was also a former lineman and moving from LT to RT is not that extremely hard.
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            • #21
              if the lions select okung then i'd be impressed. especially if they followed it up with a RB, DT, and CB in the next rounds. i don't care what order.
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              • #22
                Oh snap. Fight about whether its hard to switch positions on the line!


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                • #23
                  Originally posted by wingboy2999 View Post
                  Oh snap. Fight about whether its hard to switch positions on the line!
                  for this draft they're discussing the wrong line anyways.

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                  • #24
                    I really do think Schwatz was genuine with his praise of Backus. I have such a hard time seeing Okung being the pick.

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                    • #25
                      I would be disappointed, but not necessarily upset.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by broth223 View Post
                        I was also a former lineman and moving from LT to RT is not that extremely hard.
                        Well my mom get beat up yor mom!!?? (hahaha) ;o)

                        In all seriousness, intersting you say no LT is elite ... Joe Thomas & Jake Long were elite LT prospects coming out (consenus #1) & I would say both have backed that up since being in the NFL. What we agree on I think, is that Okung is NOT an elite T just b/c he is the #1 at his position.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by SINCE1978 View Post
                          Well my mom get beat up yor mom!!?? (hahaha) ;o)

                          In all seriousness, intersting you say no LT is elite ... Joe Thomas & Jake Long were elite LT prospects coming out (consenus #1) & I would say both have backed that up since being in the NFL. What we agree on I think, is that Okung is NOT an elite T just b/c he is the #1 at his position.
                          Yeah but my dad can beat up your MOM!


                          Jake Long was called a RT by many "analysts" and draftnicks. I'll admit I don't remember all the talk of Joe Thomas. But I do remember people saying "Joe Thomas is no Brick" and "Jake Long is no Joe Thomas" while Jake Long isn't Joe Thomas the hype at OT is always he's never as good as the guy before. I call a guy with no holes in his game Elite. Noone tells me anything he doesn't do well and that tells me he will be a great LT for the next 10 years.
                          Last edited by Brothgar; 04-14-2010, 08:44 AM.
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                          Originally posted by njx9
                          oh please. as if canadians even know what beer is.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by SINCE1978 View Post
                            Well my mom get beat up yor mom!!?? (hahaha) ;o)
                            *wipes tears from eyes* I miss the old days.


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                            • #29
                              I read a piece on a will known Draft site arguing that Okung would be a better pick than McCoy or Suh for the Lions. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but the author made a good argument. I don't want to post a link or anything, but it's a peice you should read if you're a Lions fan.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by wingboy2999 View Post
                                *wipes tears from eyes* I miss the old days.
                                This my friend, is now 2x in as many days you have mentioned misiing the old days of smackth talkth.

                                The old days are back!!

                                ;o)

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