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  • Bootland27
    started a topic QB solution

    QB solution

    David Carr. Give up one of the 5th round picks, low risk-low reward.

    IMO, his failures were a byproduct of the franchise he played for, their management's decision making (passing on bush), and last but not least the o-line. Basically, everything that kitna went through last year behind our line, multiply that by 5 which gives the abuse he took in his time with the texans.

    This also eliminates the need to take a QB in the 2nd round this year, which they can use to address other needs on defense.

  • Mythos
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    Originally posted by ironman4579 View Post
    I've already said my piece on Carr. However, I'm going to say right now that behind basically the same line Carr had, Schaub will be sacked half as much as Carr was. And if Carr starts somewhere next year, that team will immediately give up double the sacks they did the previous year. He just can't read defences well and holds the ball too long. They were even talking about on Late Hits on Sirius last night. They were thinking probably half the sacks he took were actually him just holding the ball too long.
    Completely agree. He sees a defender and goes fetal. Joey was different in that his reflex was to get rid of the ball no matter what. It didn't matter if the receiver was covered, near the first down marker, or even looking, the ball was coming out. Kitna has nowhere near the athletic talent those two had, but he stands in there like a champ.

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  • ironman4579
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    I've already said my piece on Carr. However, I'm going to say right now that behind basically the same line Carr had, Schaub will be sacked half as much as Carr was. And if Carr starts somewhere next year, that team will immediately give up double the sacks they did the previous year. He just can't read defences well and holds the ball too long. They were even talking about on Late Hits on Sirius last night. They were thinking probably half the sacks he took were actually him just holding the ball too long.

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  • Addict
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    Originally posted by Iamcanadian View Post
    I completely agree with you. Edwards/Stanton offer far more promise than Carr. Harrington who by the way was recently added to the Toronto football teams protected list, teams in Canada do that when they think a NFL player's career is over but think he might fit in the CFL. No doubt Carr is headed in the same direction.
    Is Carr honestly that bad? I always thought that if they gave him a half-decent o-line he could do some good!

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  • Iamcanadian
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    Originally posted by TacticaLion View Post
    I agree for the most part. Comparing QBs in different situations is always risky, but I agree that I'd rather take a different QB. We've got the aging vet (Kitna), we've got the "been-in-the-league, trying-to-prove-himself" gunslinger (McCown) and we've got the "I'm better than these guys, and i'll prove it" youngster (Orlovsky). If we took ANYONE, I'd want Edwards/Stanton... the promising project QB... NOT another player that's looking for a second chance.

    Did any of that make sense? I dunno... made sense to me.
    I completely agree with you. Edwards/Stanton offer far more promise than Carr. Harrington who by the way was recently added to the Toronto football teams protected list, teams in Canada do that when they think a NFL player's career is over but think he might fit in the CFL. No doubt Carr is headed in the same direction.

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  • Aard
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    Originally posted by jag View Post
    Since he's a FA would you guys consider giving him a small 3 year deal and see if Martz can mold the guy into a decent starter?
    No.

    David Carr and Joey Harrington are too closely linked already; the Lions are better off without any reminders of that failed experiment. Carr -- even on the Detroit sidelines -- would cast Joey's shadow everywhere he went.

    Let's not resummon that exorcised ghost.

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  • jag
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    Since he's a FA would you guys consider giving him a small 3 year deal and see if Martz can mold the guy into a decent starter?

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  • Addict
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    Originally posted by DeMonikk1 View Post
    Hahaha, I assume there is, but let's just leave it alone...
    Let's.

    In other regards. Here's my view on how poorly run the Texans are:

    Imagine a very large ocean, and then us standing at the bottom of that ocean. After all, we're not a franchise known for sound decisions, well if one would take a large digging machine, and dig about.. say 200 yards down, you'd find the texans, sitting there crying 'why did we draft Carr? Why did we pass on Bush? Why do we suck so bad?'.

    In other words, the Texans are adding a whole new level to sucking.

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  • TacticaLion
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    Originally posted by DeMonikk1 View Post
    They are starting over completely it seems. Houston is even more poorly ran than Detroit right now IMO. And THAT'S saying something..
    Crazyness...

    Not much more to say than that.

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  • DeMonikk1
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    Originally posted by TacticaLion View Post
    There's a way to do it... but not a way to *say* it.

    Haha. Right?

    I can't believe they passed on Leinart, Young and Bush... and have cut the players they claimed solidified those positions.

    Incredible.
    They are starting over completely it seems. Houston is even more poorly ran than Detroit right now IMO. And THAT'S saying something..

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  • DeMonikk1
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    Originally posted by Addict View Post
    wow. Is there a way to man-hug and say "I love you" without giving off a homosexual vibe?

    Hahaha, I assume there is, but let's just leave it alone...

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  • TacticaLion
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    Originally posted by Addict View Post
    wow. Is there a way to man-hug and say "I love you" without giving off a homosexual vibe?
    There's a way to do it... but not a way to *say* it.

    Haha. Right?

    I can't believe they passed on Leinart, Young and Bush... and have cut the players they claimed solidified those positions.

    Incredible.

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    Carr and Domanick Williams were cut.

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  • Addict
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    Originally posted by DeMonikk1 View Post
    Why give up anything for a player who has ZERO confidence, a fragile psyche, and will be released anyway??? Wasting a pick would be foolish...Kitna is the stopgap, and if they don't get brady Quinn this year, look at Brian Brohm next year.
    wow. Is there a way to man-hug and say "I love you" without giving off a homosexual vibe?

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  • TacticaLion
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    Originally posted by ironman4579 View Post
    It made sense to me. We have basically 2 guys already "looking for a second chance" (Kitna, McCown), do we really need ANOTHER guy that's been marginal at best his entire career that's looking for a new home?
    Exactly. I think McCown will leave before he becomes the "starter" for the Lions, but would like to see a youngster in this draft and Orlovsky battle for the job when Kitna is gone.

    If we can build the OLine and continue to improve the running game, it should be a great situation for them.

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