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  • Calvin Johnson.

    Originally posted by Kowalski's Blog :: 2/25/07
    There are a lot of players worthy of the No. 2 pick but none that really excite the Lions. The two quarterbacks? Donít really want them. Adrian Peterson? Not if Kevin Jones is still on track? Calvin Johnson? The Lions wonít be taking a receiver in the first round in Marinelliís lifetime.
    Originally posted by Kowalski's Blog :: 3/24/07
    As of this moment, on this day, if the Lions get "stuck'' with the No. 2 overall pick in the draft, I believe they'll take receiver Calvin Johnson. If Johnson is gone, I believe their next pick would be Joe Thomas.

    The Lions' interest in Calvin Johnson:: Genuine or Smoke Screen? The interest really seems to have blown up the past week or two. I love the idea of Calvin Johnson on the Lions... But I don't know if the Lions are actually serious about taking him.. What do you guys think?

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    Originally posted by Lions WMD View Post

    The Lions' interest in Calvin Johnson:: Genuine or Smoke Screen? The interest really seems to have blown up the past week or two. I love the idea of Calvin Johnson on the Lions... But I don't know if the Lions are actually serious about taking him.. What do you guys think?
    I noted the first quote in a different argument... and I believe that Marinelli will NOT want a WR in round 1. Yes... that should be obvious... he's a defensive-minded coach. Regardless, the offense had a great year last year and will only improve with a better OLine and better running game.

    CJ will be great... but I think the team needs a Willis or Adams more than they need a CJ. And, I think Marinelli feels the same way.
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    • #3
      TacticaLion is right on those points, the Lions don't need CJ to have a productive offense and passing game. Also don't count out the fact that Martz likes smaller undersized recievers, and they already have a big one in Roy, so he wouldn't want another.

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      • #4
        I'm not a Lions fan, but I love the draft and I always follow other teams closely.....and as an outsider's opinions I am under the impression that if Detroit can sell a tradedown (which I don't think they will) then they'll take Calvin Johnson because:
        a) he is definitely the best player available
        b) the Lions apparently don't want Quinn or Russell and will probably get a Trent Edwards or Drew Stanton in round 3
        c) won't reach for Adams probably, and I'm 100% sure Willis or Landry won't go 2nd overall either.

        Johnson would be good, and unlike Rogers and Williams he has 0 questions marks and is the closest thing to a surefire star I've ever seen. Johnson, Williams, and Furrey would be a sick trio (why run the ball?) and Detroit's offense would kick @**. Like I said, I don't think Minnesota or Cleveland is gonna buy into the Quinn to Detroit hype, and I don't think Tampa will trade up for CJ at Detroit's asking price

        And regarding Joe Thomas, they have 3 guards to fill 2 spots, a good center, and they are set at the tackles, so there is no spot for JT. I say either CJ or Quinn, and it doesn't sound too good for Quinn.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by keylime_5 View Post
          I'm not a Lions fan, but I love the draft and I always follow other teams closely.....and as an outsider's opinions I am under the impression that if Detroit can sell a tradedown (which I don't think they will) then they'll take Calvin Johnson because:
          a) he is definitely the best player available
          b) the Lions apparently don't want Quinn or Russell and will probably get a Trent Edwards or Drew Stanton in round 3
          c) won't reach for Adams probably, and I'm 100% sure Willis or Landry won't go 2nd overall either.

          Johnson would be good, and unlike Rogers and Williams he has 0 questions marks and is the closest thing to a surefire star I've ever seen. Johnson, Williams, and Furrey would be a sick trio (why run the ball?) and Detroit's offense would kick @**. Like I said, I don't think Minnesota or Cleveland is gonna buy into the Quinn to Detroit hype, and I don't think Tampa will trade up for CJ at Detroit's asking price

          And regarding Joe Thomas, they have 3 guards to fill 2 spots, a good center, and they are set at the tackles, so there is no spot for JT. I say either CJ or Quinn, and it doesn't sound too good for Quinn.
          I can't say that I agree.

          Trading down will be easy for the Lions this year. They have the rights to the best players in the draft, and have let the other teams know it. If you want CJ (and you aren't the Raiders), you need to go through Detroit. If you want Quinn, same rules apply. The only way they WONT trade down is if this entire thing has been a smokescreen and they really want Quinn (or CJ). I don't think that's the case.

          I think Gaines Adams and Patrick Willis are two options for them in the first round... but I'd be VERY suprised if, after the offensive success from last year, they targeted a WR in the 1st round... especially with all of the defensive holes. I expect a trade down... and they'll have takers.
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          • #6
            The ONLY possible taker for a trade up targeting Calvin Johnson is Tampa Bay who might get scared that Detroit will snag their guy and in that case Bruce Allen might move up to ensure he gets Johnson. Atlanta won't do it and Minnesota seems set on not trading up for anybody - neither CJ or Quinn.

            I can't think of any takers for Quinn now that Houston has Schaub except Cleveland, but I strongly doubt that Savage will trade up with Detroit unless the asking price was really cheap meaning a 3rd rounder or less based on what he said recently.

            Also, If you want CJ or Quinn teams don't necessarily have to go through Detroit they could also go through Cleveland for both possibly if they feel Detroit will pass on the one they want (not sayin CLE will trade though, just hypothetical). Detroit has let it known they are willing to deal, but the only team in the whole draft conceivably trading with Detroit is Tampa.

            Tradedowns don't happen all that much, ESPECIALLY in the top 5. I highly doubt Detroit finds a buyer unless by some miracle Tampa gives up a buttload to jump to #2.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by keylime_5 View Post
              The ONLY possible taker for a trade up targeting Calvin Johnson is Tampa Bay who might get scared that Detroit will snag their guy and in that case Bruce Allen might move up to ensure he gets Johnson. Atlanta won't do it and Minnesota seems set on not trading up for anybody - neither CJ or Quinn.

              I can't think of any takers for Quinn now that Houston has Schaub except Cleveland, but I strongly doubt that Savage will trade up with Detroit unless the asking price was really cheap meaning a 3rd rounder or less based on what he said recently.

              Also, If you want CJ or Quinn teams don't necessarily have to go through Detroit they could also go through Cleveland for both possibly if they feel Detroit will pass on the one they want (not sayin CLE will trade though, just hypothetical). Detroit has let it known they are willing to deal, but the only team in the whole draft conceivably trading with Detroit is Tampa.

              Tradedowns don't happen all that much, ESPECIALLY in the top 5. I highly doubt Detroit finds a buyer unless by some miracle Tampa gives up a buttload to jump to #2.
              You've only mentioned top 10 teams with your trades... and you've only answered the easy teams in the top 10. What about the Redskins? Having Santana Moss and CJ (with Randle El in the slot)... tha'd be quite an offense. Also, the Cardinals could still trade up for JThomas (although that trade is unlikely). There will be a team that wants CJ (or another player)... and, if the price is right, they'll probably take it.
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              • #8
                ^^^^ Redskins have an anemic d-line. Other than Cornelius Griffin they have nothing. I don't see them taking any offensive players especially since they don't pick again until the 5th round.

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                • #9
                  I'll take Calvin. Let them laugh.

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                  • #10
                    Well Tactica like I said it is highly unlikely that any other teams that I didn't mention trade to that 2 spot. Detroit does not want to trade down very far, and a trade from outside the top ten to the 2nd overall spot pretty much never happens and if it did it would have to be for like 2 firsts and 3rd plus other picks. There is less than a 0% chance of Washington moving up, they have one pick before like round 5 so needless to say they have no ammo whatsoever. The idea of the Lions trading down is just wishful thinking. Realisitically the chances of an actual trade occuring are very slim.

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                    • #11
                      Here's a thought for you our #2 to the 49ers for the #11 + their 2nd and next years 1st. We get our star MLB in Willis with good value and another impact player, like Meriweather, with the 9ers second. San Fran gets their legit star in CJ after filling most of their other needs in free agency.

                      First day of: #11-P Willis, #34-Spencer, #42-Meriweather, #66-Hughes would suit me pretty well, not to mention the future flexibility it gives us in next years draft.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by keylime_5 View Post
                        Well Tactica like I said it is highly unlikely that any other teams that I didn't mention trade to that 2 spot. Detroit does not want to trade down very far, and a trade from outside the top ten to the 2nd overall spot pretty much never happens and if it did it would have to be for like 2 firsts and 3rd plus other picks. There is less than a 0% chance of Washington moving up, they have one pick before like round 5 so needless to say they have no ammo whatsoever. The idea of the Lions trading down is just wishful thinking. Realisitically the chances of an actual trade occuring are very slim.
                        We shall see come draft day. Nothing I say will convince you otherwise... because there's always a reason (or excuse) that you can use.

                        The Lions will trade down.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TacticaLion View Post

                          CJ will be great... but I think the team needs a Willis or Adams more than they need a CJ. And, I think Marinelli feels the same way.
                          Actually, this is something I just thought of, but I think it makes sense.

                          If you look at the great QB-WR combo's, you'll see that in most cases the receiver was drafted one or two years before the quarterback, (Manning/Harrison, Palmer/Johnson etc.) now if we were to take CJ this year, and then next year we'd take some other first round QB (don't tell me we don't need qb, we do, Kitna (35!) is a turnover machine, orlovsky i'm not sure of and McCown wants out) we'd be (once again, remember C-Rog and Harrington?) ready to have that kind of combo. With Roy Williams as our very own Reggie Wayne... I like.

                          But you're right about Willis Adams, Landry and most defensive guys (except maybe Branch, Okoye and other DT's) would fill more of a need. If we fail to trade down, and they do not pick CJ, I will personally urinate on Matt Millen's car.

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                          • #14
                            If I'm Tampa, I don't think I'd even pick up the phone unless Detroit picked Calvin. It reminds me of the Eli-Rivers thing. I think Detroit would have to actually pull the trigger first to even get into talks.
                            So here is what I think Millen's option list looks like:
                            i) Draft CJ, endure ridicule and try to move him
                            ii) Trade down, get owned on the trade value chart and get ridiculed for that (e.g. Tampa #4 and a 3rd rounder)
                            iii) Draft a QB your coach doesn't want (see JH saga)
                            iv) Joe Thomas
                            v) Reach for a defender

                            Given this list, I think he takes Joe Thomas. The spin would be good value and Martz's offense really needs two left tackles. Note: I completely concede the fact that tackle is nowhere near the top 3 needs of this team, the Backus/Foster/Tucker/Scott combo should be serviceable. I'm just trying to guess what I think Millen will do.

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                            • #15
                              This is a good post with a lot of interesting perspective in it. First of all, I believe that Detroit picking CJ is definitely a smokescreen, but its the best kind of smokescreen because its totally believable that they could take the best player in the draft. However, showing interest in CJ also increases the chance for a trade down, which everyone agrees is Detroits real goal. The question then, is who would be willing to trade down? Any team in the top 5 could be a possibility, but after that no one will or can afford to give fair value to move to 2.

                              I believe that if Detroit can't find a trade partner, they will take Quinn at 2. Marinelli wants to get a premiere defensive player in this draft, but there isn't one with #2 overall value. If they are forced to go offense I think they will take the franchise QB, which is an obvious need on this rebuilding team. Roy Williams is a legit #1 and Furrey had 98 catches, 1100 yards, and 6 TD's in his first year as a starter. To say that another WR will help Detroit win games is wishful thinking. They need a QB who will win close games as opposed to committing so many game changing turnovers. The only reason that Detroit wouldn't take a QB at 2 is because they're committed to taking a defensive player, which means that CJ is out of the mix too.

                              If Detroit can't trade down I think they're draft board should go Russell, Quinn, Adams/Willis. I do like Mythos' idea of taking CJ to force TB into a trade, though.

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