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  • #16
    Originally posted by GB12 View Post
    Oh yes, I was. 09 would be next year. I'll change the title to 08 then.


    Jolly more than broke out last year.

    Same thing with Jolly, and what are you people saying Hawk expecting? He's been playing very well since being drafted. I don't understand this whole thought that Hawk's under performing. If you're not happy with what he's done so far you might never be happy. What do you want him to do that he hasn't been doing? What could he possibly do to "break out"?
    How did Jolly break out? He had a good season in his limited playing time but that was nowhere near a breakout season for him IMO.

    Hawk was the 5th overall pick, I expect 125+ tackles, 2-3 sacks, and 2-3 INTs a year from him in order to justify the selection. Yes he's played well, but 5th overall pick well? I want more playmaking from him and I want the coaches to use him more effectively than they did last season.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by GB12 View Post
      Oh yes, I was. 09 would be next year. I'll change the title to 08 then.


      Jolly more than broke out last year.

      Same thing with Jolly, and what are you people saying Hawk expecting? He's been playing very well since being drafted. I don't understand this whole thought that Hawk's under performing. If you're not happy with what he's done so far you might never be happy. What do you want him to do that he hasn't been doing? What could he possibly do to "break out"?

      I just thought he wouldve progressed a little more than he did this year. He's still a great player no doubt about



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      • #18
        Originally posted by Kampman for President View Post
        How did Jolly break out? He had a good season in his limited playing time but that was nowhere near a breakout season for him IMO.

        Hawk was the 5th overall pick, I expect 125+ tackles, 2-3 sacks, and 2-3 INTs a year from him in order to justify the selection. Yes he's played well, but 5th overall pick well? I want more playmaking from him and I want the coaches to use him more effectively than they did last season.
        Jolly had a very good season and it wasn't limited playing time. He was the starter and I'm pretty sure only Pickett played a higher percentage of snaps in games they were active in. The injury what took away from his time, but he did more than enough to break out prior to that.

        Hawk is not going to get those numbers, but it has nothing to do with how well he's playing. He doesn't have to get those numbers each year to justify his selection, that's just dumb. He's not going to get 125+ tackles each year because unlike Patrick Willis in San Francisco he's playing on a good defense with a top LB next to him in Nick Barnett. Put him on a team that he's the only tackler and there's no doubt he could get that, but on this team he won't. He's not going to get many sacks because he doesn't blitz much. Kind of hard to do if he doesn't have the chance. And INTs as a linebacker can not be expected. He has been good in coverage, INTs are a bonus, but do not mean much in terms of how good a player is. 2-3 INTs a year is a lot to expect from a LB. Al Harris only gets 2-3 a year.

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        • #19
          Hmmm... Beyond the obvious in Rodgers, I'm saying Offense: Brandon Jackson. Defense: Will Blackmon.
          Last edited by johbur; 06-03-2008, 02:36 AM. Reason: Jennings, Jackson, whatever... ;D
          The pain fades and the good memories will remain.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by johbur View Post
            Hmmm... Beyond the obvious in Rodgers, I'm saying Offense: Brandon Jennings. Defense: Will Blackmon.
            You kind of combined two there which one did you mean?


            As for my pick for this season then I'm going to say Brady Poppinga. I think the competition of having Chillar there as well as another year of experience at linebacker will cause him to make some big improvements.

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            • #21
              Brandon Jackson on offense is my break-out guy. I see him being a solid backup to Grant, good in the passing game and evil on special teams.

              I was thinking of Jennings, but he's already broken out, though I was thinking he still has room for growth.
              The pain fades and the good memories will remain.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by GB12 View Post
                Jolly had a very good season and it wasn't limited playing time. He was the starter and I'm pretty sure only Pickett played a higher percentage of snaps in games they were active in. The injury what took away from his time, but he did more than enough to break out prior to that.

                Hawk is not going to get those numbers, but it has nothing to do with how well he's playing. He doesn't have to get those numbers each year to justify his selection, that's just dumb. He's not going to get 125+ tackles each year because unlike Patrick Willis in San Francisco he's playing on a good defense with a top LB next to him in Nick Barnett. Put him on a team that he's the only tackler and there's no doubt he could get that, but on this team he won't. He's not going to get many sacks because he doesn't blitz much. Kind of hard to do if he doesn't have the chance. And INTs as a linebacker can not be expected. He has been good in coverage, INTs are a bonus, but do not mean much in terms of how good a player is. 2-3 INTs a year is a lot to expect from a LB. Al Harris only gets 2-3 a year.
                Aside from Pickett we didn't have a set starter alongside him. Its was rotational all season long.

                Barnett has gotten those numbers every year of his career. How is it not reasonable to expect Hawk to acheive the same?

                No shitt, I know how our defense works. Your weakside LB is supposed to be the one making plays, blitzing, ect.. Like I said, we aren't utilizing him enough.

                Hence why I picked him as a breakout player this year.
                Last edited by Kampman for President; 06-03-2008, 07:22 PM.

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                • #23
                  ill say Allen Barbre & Tramon Williams

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Kampman for President View Post
                    Aside from Pickett we didn't have a set starter alongside him. Its was rotational all season long.
                    Most likely, we would prefer a rotation to keep players fresh, and perhaps use pass rushers in pass rushing situations, etc.

                    Originally posted by Kampman for President View Post
                    Barnett has gotten those numbers every year of his career. How is it not reasonable to expect Hawk to acheive the same?
                    Because he plays a different position where it isn't nearly as easy to rack up tackle numbers. He does other things.

                    Originally posted by Kampman for President View Post
                    No shitt, I know how our defense works. Your weakside LB is supposed to be the one making plays, blitzing, ect.. Like I said, we aren't utilizing him enough.
                    How our defense works or how you think it should work? We don't blitz Hawk much at all. I don't disagree that we aren't utilizing him enough, but we should play to his strengths. If he isn't a good blitzer we shouldn't blitz him much. Maybe we aren't featuring him is because he is only solid in most attributes right now.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by umphrey View Post
                      Most likely, we would prefer a rotation to keep players fresh, and perhaps use pass rushers in pass rushing situations, etc.
                      Exactally, so how did he "break out" when he was used in a rotation? We saw glipses of his talent, but not a breakout season.

                      Originally posted by umphrey View Post
                      Because he plays a different position where it isn't nearly as easy to rack up tackle numbers. He does other things.
                      Sorry but Hawk is on the field just as much as Barnett is. I suggest looking around the NFL because most WLBers rack up the kind of stats that I listed.

                      Originally posted by umphrey View Post
                      How our defense works or how you think it should work? We don't blitz Hawk much at all. I don't disagree that we aren't utilizing him enough, but we should play to his strengths. If he isn't a good blitzer we shouldn't blitz him much. Maybe we aren't featuring him is because he is only solid in most attributes right now.
                      How it works. We rarely blitz period. Hawk is a good blitzer though, look at what he did at Ohio State.

                      You guys are acting like I said that Hawk is bad, which he isn't. He's played well for us but IMO you're a damn fool if you think Hawk has played up to his potential. This guy can and will be much better, which is why 08 will be his BREAKOUT season. Get over yourselves already...

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                      • #26
                        James Jones
                        Collins/Rouse whoever wins that battle

                        Jones and Rodgers have that 2nd string bond, hopefully that will come in handy on 3rd downs.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by ikabaad View Post
                          James Jones
                          Collins/Rouse whoever wins that battle

                          Jones and Rodgers have that 2nd string bond, hopefully that will come in handy on 3rd downs.

                          I hope you're right about the safeties. Personally I'd rather see Rouse back there. Collins just hasn't developed enough for me and I'd rather see him go back to CB.

                          Jones IMO already had a breakout season. I mean he put up great numbers for a #3 WR last year. With adding Jordy Nelson this year I think that might take away some of his opportunities as we try to work him in a little bit this year.

                          Remember too that Favre was given off for alot of the practices in order to keep him fresh for gamedays so Rodgers does have ALOT of experience running with the 1st unit.

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                          • #28
                            I would rather it be Rouse as well, he is a playmaker.

                            I enjoy having WR problems of this variety.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by ikabaad View Post
                              I would rather it be Rouse as well, he is a playmaker.

                              I enjoy having WR problems of this variety.
                              Same here man, if Rouse can become a good coverage man we will have gotten a steal in the 3rd round. He had 1st round potential but didn't have a great senior season. Collins has showed flashes but he's too inconsistant. Both guys can lay the lumber though.

                              I think our WRs are set for a long time. Jennings is developing in a star, Jones was great last year and gave us exactally what we needed, Nelson is alot like Driver, and Swain looks like he has some potential as well. We're in good shape for whenever Driver hangs em' up.

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                              • #30
                                Dont forget Ruvell Martin. He has great size which gives him some potential.



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