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  • #31
    I can't stand it when people bring up the Moss trade.

    You know there are 30 teams who didn't make that trade (and the 1 who sent him packing).

    It's just like Marques Colston. He was a 7th rounder so are you supposed to downgrade drafts for 31 teams who didn't pick him?

    Thanks to BK for the sig

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    • #32
      Originally posted by umphrey View Post
      I can't stand it when people bring up the Moss trade.
      You know there are 30 teams who didn't make that trade (and the 1 who sent him packing).
      I can't stand it when people pretend like Favre, his agent, and Moss didn't set that thing all up on a silver platter. McNabb didn't arrange it for him to go to Philly. Favre and Moss cooked it up, it was a rare chance to get a superstar, but Ted Thompson would not pull the trigger.

      It was like when Woodson was trying to escape from Oakland... nobody else wanted him as their cornerback because he looked moody, washed up, etc. Same thing with Moss out of the black hole. It was perfectly orchestrated for him to unite with Favre, finally, as both guys have respected each other for years.

      In the end, Thompson did not to let the player play the role of GM, which is his job. Most GM's have a lot of ego. Not just TT.

      Oakland wanted that deal consumated for weeks.
      One day, it will come out in a book.

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      • #33
        The Moss trade was a trade that should have happened, along with the Tony Gonzalez trade. When Brent was here, he had the same agent as Moss and Moss was willing to come here. He was not willing to go just anywhere, hence one of the reasons why he's in NE. He's caught 47 TDs in three years with NE now. Both Driver and Jennings combined have 38 or so TDs combined in the same time span.
        O give TT the benefit of the doubt on the Tony G., given how great Finley looks, but Finley and Tony G. as a tandem would have been pretty incredible for this offense.
        The pain fades and the good memories will remain.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by johbur View Post
          The Moss trade was a trade that should have happened, along with the Tony Gonzalez trade.
          Be careful, cvv doesn't like you saying anything bad about TT.
          And going back in time, that's just revisionist history too.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by J-Mike88 View Post
            Be careful, cvv doesn't like you saying anything bad about TT.
            And going back in time, that's just revisionist history too.
            Not true. I don't like people who make brain damaged posts.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by cvv84 View Post
              Not true. I don't like people who make brain damaged posts.
              Anything negative about your fruitty crush Thompson would qualify for that, according to you.
              Seems to me everyone in here who has handed a grade out has been in the 'B' range. If that offends you, you might need some counseling. I've never, on all the BB's I am on, seen anyone take anything not positive about the man as personal as you. Nobody. You must have some personal experience with Theodore, but you should save that for TMZ.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by J-Mike88 View Post
                Anything negative about your fruitty crush Thompson would qualify for that, according to you.
                Seems to me everyone in here who has handed a grade out has been in the 'B' range. If that offends you, you might need some counseling. I've never, on all the BB's I am on, seen anyone take anything not positive about the man as personal as you. Nobody. You must have some personal experience with Theodore, but you should save that for TMZ.
                I already posted my grade and the reason in the this thread months ago. Do some reading/reasearching so you can quite making yourself look like the board idiot.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by J-Mike88 View Post
                  Anything negative about your fruitty crush Thompson would qualify for that, according to you.
                  Seems to me everyone in here who has handed a grade out has been in the 'B' range. If that offends you, you might need some counseling. I've never, on all the BB's I am on, seen anyone take anything not positive about the man as personal as you. Nobody. You must have some personal experience with Theodore, but you should save that for TMZ.
                  Not true, I gave him an A-.

                  Regarding the Moss trade: I don't care how well it worked out for New England, I'm still glad we didn't make the trade. Seeing my least favorite player play for the Packers would have been too much.

                  Also, I think merging some of these threads we have would be a good idea. We have several that could go into the draft discussion.

                  Sig thanks to mockalicious

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by jackalope View Post
                    1) Regarding the Moss trade: I don't care how well it worked out for New England, I'm still glad we didn't make the trade. Seeing my least favorite player play for the Packers would have been too much.

                    2) Also, I think merging some of these threads we have would be a good idea. We have several that could go into the draft discussion.
                    1) Nice to see you admit your personal grades are heavily-weighed by your personal favorite or non-favorite players. Don't let real production get in the way of your assessment of the actual performances.
                    Wow, an A- for one playoff win in 5 seasons.
                    What grade for two playoff wins in 5 seasons?
                    What grade for three playoff wins?
                    What grade for one Super Bowl appearance?
                    What grade for one Super Bowl win?
                    What grade for two Super Bowl wins in 5 seasons, as the Steelers have had?
                    Honestly, if you were a teacher with a curve like that, you'd be everyone's favorite.

                    2) I agree... tell that to the kid cvv who likes to make a mountain out of a mole hill anytime anything not rosy-positive is said about Ted Thompson's work. RyanBraun8 and I, and some others, have tried to bring some real draft discussions and mocks to the other threads, but you'll see cvv likes to hijack all the threads defending his boytoy.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by J-Mike88 View Post
                      1) Nice to see you admit your personal grades are heavily-weighed by your personal favorite or non-favorite players. Don't let real production get in the way of your assessment of the actual performances.
                      Wow, an A- for one playoff win in 5 seasons.
                      What grade for two playoff wins in 5 seasons?
                      What grade for three playoff wins?
                      What grade for one Super Bowl appearance?
                      What grade for one Super Bowl win?
                      What grade for two Super Bowl wins in 5 seasons, as the Steelers have had?
                      Honestly, if you were a teacher with a curve like that, you'd be everyone's favorite.

                      2) I agree... tell that to the kid cvv who likes to make a mountain out of a mole hill anytime anything not rosy-positive is said about Ted Thompson's work. RyanBraun8 and I, and some others, have tried to bring some real draft discussions and mocks to the other threads, but you'll see cvv likes to hijack all the threads defending his boytoy.
                      I don't understand, you plus reped me for the post that I gave him and A-, but you didn't read it?

                      I take pride in being a Packer fan. I don't want to have to root for a team with a douchebag that I've rooted against for years. I'm not a Viking fan.

                      I think number of playoff wins is too simplistic of a way to measure how well a GM is doing. I understand that that is the ultimate goal, but you also have to look at the position our team is in compared to where it started. A guy like Jerry Reese has a Superbowl ring already, but he had the luxury of taking the team from Ernie Accorsi instead of Mike Sherman. Jerry Angelo took his team to the Superbowl, but look at where the Bears organization is right now.

                      Sig thanks to mockalicious

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by J-Mike88 View Post
                        Be careful, cvv doesn't like you saying anything bad about TT.
                        And going back in time, that's just revisionist history too.
                        Doing grading based on someone's history is using hind-sight. Looking at picks as how they turned out is revisionist, as the GM makes the decision based on what they know at the time. TT gets downgraded for not making trades he should have made, and he gets upgraded for making the trades or bringing in the players he was successful with.
                        He hit with Ryan Grant, but was gun-shy with Moss and Gonzalez. He hasn't brought in many FAs, but a number of them have been solid for the defense.
                        He missed on Harrell, I didn't like him trading out of the first round even picking up Jordy. He crushed on getting Raji and Matthews.
                        He's taken a talent shallow team with a bad cap situation after Mike Sherman and turned it to a young team with a lot of talent and financial health. Over his tenure the team is 42-38. That's four games over even. Hopefully the team gets some areas shored up and GB has a better year even than last year, but he's four games over .500, so that's a C+ still, with a chance to move to a B with another good off-season.
                        So far, this off-season has been solid with him keeping the two OTs, the NT and preventing a hold-out by the FS. I'd love to see another draft this year with guys that are expected to play, instead of guys that are expected to develop and grow.
                        The pain fades and the good memories will remain.

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                        • #42
                          Downgrade him on the bad trades he made but don't downgrade him on trades that he didn't make. There are so many what ifs you're taking a subjective process and making it way worse by trying to figure out everything that happened behind the scenes. If you really want to downgrade him for that, give him a bad grade, then multiply that by 1/31 for the other 31 teams that share the bad grade.

                          Thanks to BK for the sig

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by johbur View Post
                            ......Over his tenure the team is 42-38. That's four games over even. Hopefully the team gets some areas shored up and GB has a better year even than last year, but he's four games over .500, so that's a C+ still, with a chance to move to a B with another good off-season.......
                            Uh-oh.
                            Using wins-losses is not going to make some people happy.

                            But johbur, you are right on the money: this is a business where success is measured by wins and losses, and especially playoff wins and losses. So far, you're right: the overall record is a little better than average. We think (and hope!) that the future is bright, so his grade should be going up.

                            With an upgrade at CB, LOLB, and OT, there's not a team in the league that we cannot beat, and that speaks volumes about what TT has done with this team. Yeah, I said it. But remember the history in Seattle too, and the off-season they had when he left, and then the season they had. He builds nice puzzles, but he needs to finish it. We all know where we have holes.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by jackalope View Post
                              I don't understand, you plus reped me for the post that I gave him and A-, but you didn't read it?
                              He's a ******* dumbass, what is there to get? :D


                              Its "fans" like J-Mike88 that just make you shake your head. Expecting huge moves from a small franchise. Yeah we have 1 playoff win under Thompson/McCarthy but we've also completely overhauled our roster and have been the youngest team in the league for 3 years in a row. Considering we have one of, if not the best young QB in the league and numerous young talented players at other positions as well.

                              Who's to say that Moss or Gonzalez would've put us over the top? And if we did make those trades what would the effect have been on Jennings and Finley? We have the foundation in place, just need to become a more consistant team. Which I think will happen with a QB that isn't turnover prone.

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                              • #45
                                33 of 51 picks still on the Packers roster.

                                Brohm, Meredith, Clowney, Rouse, Tollefson, Moll, Hodge, Culver are still on other NFL rosters. Obviously does no good for the Packers, but helps show he know how to evaluate prospects.

                                So 41 of 51 draftees are still in the NFL in some regard. 80% of players TT drafted still in the NFL is fine by me.
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