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  • #46
    Kerrigan is one of my top prospects but he needs his hand in the ground. He'll go to a 4-3 team. We don't need a great pass rusher anyway. We need someone who can read the offense and flow to the ball well with good instincts. Mostly we need Brad Jones to not get hurt, but since he probably will, we need a better backup who is about a 3-5 round pick.

    By the way, Kerrigan is listed at 6'4", 263. Coming out of college you'd have to assume he'd bulk up to the 270-275 range minimum, especially with his frame. That would be close to or maybe the biggest OLB in the league. He isn't athletic enough to pull it off, even at 260.
    Last edited by umphrey; 12-30-2010, 11:57 PM.

    Thanks to BK for the sig

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    • #47
      Here's what Kiper says about us, and for the record, I strongly disagree with the RB in the first round.

      Green Bay Packers

      Top needs: OLB, T, RB

      Pick strategy: Maybe the first team that could pull the trigger on the top RB on the board. The Packers could also consider a tackle, perhaps moving Bryan Bulaga along the line in the process.
      They could also use an OLB opposite Clay Matthews, a player who could thrive as a rusher given the blocking attention Matthews will continue to get.
      All thinks considered, and I felt the same way last draft, I want a beast OLB as our impact guy in the first round. OLB's can come in and have an immediate impact, as we saw with Matthews.

      This year, I wanted Jerry Hughes so badly and thought he could be a great 34 OLB a la a rookie Shawne Merriman. But we have needed Bulaga.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by EvilMonkey View Post
        my draft wishes:

        -anyone who can make the offensive line more physical
        -another pass rusher outside of Clay
        -mid to late round QB to try and develop ala Brunell, Hasselbeck, Brooks, Flynn, etc.
        They think they have a good guy like that already in Graham Harrell, FWIW.
        But if they like a guy in round 6 or 7 that they have a high grade on, they probably will take him.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by J-Mike88 View Post
          Here's what Kiper says about us, and for the record, I strongly disagree with the RB in the first round.

          Green Bay Packers

          Top needs: OLB, T, RB

          Pick strategy: Maybe the first team that could pull the trigger on the top RB on the board. The Packers could also consider a tackle, perhaps moving Bryan Bulaga along the line in the process.
          They could also use an OLB opposite Clay Matthews, a player who could thrive as a rusher given the blocking attention Matthews will continue to get.
          All thinks considered, and I felt the same way last draft, I want a beast OLB as our impact guy in the first round. OLB's can come in and have an immediate impact, as we saw with Matthews.

          This year, I wanted Jerry Hughes so badly and thought he could be a great 34 OLB a la a rookie Shawne Merriman. But we have needed Bulaga.
          I can understand what he's saying with RB but most teams in the NFL will struggle on the ground with losing their starting RB. I still feel that if we ran a power scheme we'd at the very least have a managable run game. Bulaga and Sitton are good building blocks but we're going to need another tackle and a LG ASAP.

          Another pass rusher opposite Matthews would be great but really, how many 3-4 teams have another stud rusher opposite each other? I can't think of any. The only one that comes close is with DeMarcus Ware and Anthony Spencer. Even with that Spencer only has 3 sacks this season and his career high for a season is 6. Hell Zombo has 4 this season in limited action and Brad Jones had 4 last year in limited action as well.

          I've said this before and I'll say it again, our needs are exactally the same as last season. OT, CB, and OLB. Take the BPA out of those 3 positions and hopefully fill in the rest later in the draft.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by cvv84 View Post
            I've said this before and I'll say it again, our needs are exactally the same as last season. OT, CB, and OLB. Take the BPA out of those 3 positions and hopefully fill in the rest later in the draft.
            I'm on board with that.... we also, finally, need to address the return specialist position. Whether he's a 5th WR or 4th RB, or just a Josh Cribbs or Devin Hester for 3 years.
            I know TT tried that with Cory Rodgers a few years ago, out of TCU, but special teams coach D*ck Stock untaught him how to field punts and messed with his head.
            The guy was electric as hell though in college when he was catching them cleanly.
            We need to find another guy like that and make sure we don't mess him up with how he catches the ball.

            I actually wanted Joe Webb last year as the Josh Cribbs type.

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            • #51
              I was thinking a little about this last night:

              Nick Barnett vs. A.J. Hawk vs. Desmond Bishop


              We can only keep 2 of the 3 so ILB could be another area of need come April. Really at this point I'd like to see Hawk and Bishop get an extentions and cut Barnett. Barnett's only played in 29 of 48 games the past 3 years so that durability is starting to come into question. Hawk, while not flashy, is a solid and dependable player and Bishop is coming into his own as a starter.

              My needs list in order:

              1) CB
              2) OT
              3) OLB
              4) OG
              5) WR
              6) ILB
              7) RB

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              • #52
                Let Walk:

                Brandon Jackson
                Korey Hall
                Daryn Colledge
                Jason Spitz
                Atari Bigby

                Cut:

                Mark Tauscher
                Donald Lee
                Brady Poppinga
                Jarrett Bush
                Spencer Havner
                James Starks
                Dimitri Nance
                Derrick Martin
                Graham Harrell
                Brandon Underwood
                Nick McDonald
                Robert Francois
                Diyral Briggs
                Matt Wilhelm
                Evan Dietrich-Smith
                Josh Gordy
                Josh Bell

                Re-Sign:

                Cullen Jenkins
                James Jones
                Mason Crosby
                John Kuhn
                Charlie Peprah

                Free Agency:

                Carl Nicks - 6 year deal
                Champ Bailey - 2 year deal
                Darren Sproles - 3 year deal

                Draft:

                1. Justin Houston - OLB - Georgia
                2. Mikel Leshoure - RB - Illinois
                3. Curtis Brown - CB - Texas
                4. Clint Boling - OT - Georgia
                5. Detron Lewis - WR - Texas Tech
                6. Zane Taylor - C - Utah
                7. Chris L. Rucker - CB - Michigan State

                QB: Aaron Rodgers - Matt Flynn
                RB: Ryan Grant - Darren Sproles - Mikel Leshoure
                FB: John Kuhn - Quinn Johnson
                WR: Greg Jennings - Donald Driver - James Jones - Jordy Nelson - Brett Swain
                TE: Jermichael Finley - Andrew Quarless - Tom Crabtree
                LT: Chad Clifton - TJ Lang
                LG: Carl Nicks
                C: Scott Wells - Zane Taylor
                RG: Josh Sitton - Marshall Newhouse
                RT: Bryan Bulaga - Clint Boling

                DE: Cullen Jenkins - Mike Neal - CJ Wilson
                NT: BJ Raji - Howard Green
                DE: Ryan Pickett - Johnny Jolly
                OLB: Justin Houston - Brad Jones
                ILB: Nick Barnett - Brandon Chillar
                ILB: Desmond Bishop - AJ Hawk
                OLB: Clay Matthews - Erik Walden - Frank Zombo
                CB: Trammon Williams - Sam Shields - Pat Lee
                FS: Nick Collins - Charlie Peprah
                SS: Charles Woodson - Morgan Burnett - Anthony Smith
                CB: Champ Bailey - Curtis Brown

                K: Mason Crosby
                P: Tim Masthay
                LS: Brett Goode
                (KR/PR: Darren Sproles)


                Nickel Defense
                ----------Collins---------Burnett
                Williams.------------------------Woodson-------Bailey
                -----Chillar----Barnett-----Matthews
                ------Jenkins----Raji---Neal

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by GB12 View Post
                  Free Agency:

                  Carl Nicks - 6 year deal
                  Champ Bailey - 2 year deal
                  Darren Sproles - 3 year deal
                  Come on now.
                  back to reality here..... This is the Green Bay Packers right, Ted Thompson still here?

                  They will not cut James Starks unless he totally F's up the game in Philly. They like him, a lot. They think he's going to be better than Ryan Grant is, starting in 2011 or 2012.

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                  • #54
                    I was kind of just combining two ideas with Champ Bailey. He's probably going to leave Denver for a winner, but yeah, probably not here. However, I do really like the idea of getting another corner and moving Woodson to SS, while being our nickelback as well. Not necessarily next year either though.

                    The other two aren't far fetched though. We need a Darren Sproles type back. Why not get Darren Sproles. I think teams have given up on the idea that he can be a starter so his price will have come down. Getting Sproles would allow us to let Jackson go and we wouldn't have to worry about a back in the draft unless we wanted to. And yeah, I really like Starks too, but in that situation he was the odd man out.

                    As for Nicks, we need a starting guard. Both Colledge and Spitz are free agents, and we're not going to go into the season with TJ Lang and rookies. At least I hope not. That means we're going to have to either get a free agent or re-sign Colledge. Colledge isn't going to come cheap. He's going to get at least $4 million a year, maybe closer to 5. Nicks could probably get something comparable to Jahri Evans' 7 year $56.7 million, which is a lot more than Colledge, but I'd rather pay top dollar for a top guard than sign Colledge for 5 years $23 million. Maybe go one step down from Nicks and get Davin Joseph, who fits our scheme better anyway.

                    Wishful thinking? Yes, but it makes a lot of sense.

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                    • #55
                      I'd rather sign Richard Marshall. Young, durable, and somewhat physical (averaged 84.5 tackles a season during his 5 year career.

                      No to Sproles too. I'd rather see Michael Bush or DeAngelo Williams.

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                      • #56
                        Michael Bush wouldn't bring anything to the table Kuhn doesn't already and DeAngelo is going to get a pretty big pay day. I would draft a RB because I like young, fresh legs, but without having a name to bring to the discussion I would be happy with Sproles assuming he gets paid like a #2.

                        Thanks to BK for the sig

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by umphrey View Post
                          Michael Bush wouldn't bring anything to the table Kuhn doesn't already and DeAngelo is going to get a pretty big pay day. I would draft a RB because I like young, fresh legs, but without having a name to bring to the discussion I would be happy with Sproles assuming he gets paid like a #2.
                          While Bush and Kuhn have the same running styles, Bush is definitely a work horse. You have to remember Bush was considered the clear cut starter in Oakland before he broke his thumb. The Packers would be very wise to go after Bush, he might not bring anything different than Kuhn but hes someone who can force teams to respect your running game.

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                          • #58
                            Grant is our work horse and that isn't going to change next year. We don't need a big back. We need a backup that can catch screen passes and block. If he can return kicks, that's a big bonus.

                            Thanks to BK for the sig

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                            • #59
                              I never like Von Miller much, but after watching him closely in the Cotton Bowl I want nothing to do with him. He's a decent to good pass rusher, but he offers nothing in coverage and gets destroyed against the run. I'd rather have Jones/Walden/Zombo than him.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by GB12 View Post
                                I never like Von Miller much, but after watching him closely in the Cotton Bowl I want nothing to do with him. He's a decent to good pass rusher, but he offers nothing in coverage and gets destroyed against the run. I'd rather have Jones/Walden/Zombo than him.
                                You cant base anything about him on one game that you watched. I watched the same game and yeah he didn't play all that well. You have to take his whole body of work. I agree about his run defense, however, I think if he were to gain about 5-10 pounds he would be able to hold up much better. Your statement about him offering nothing in coverage is ridiculous. He has 1 INT, 6 pass break ups, and 7 passes defended this year.

                                For comparison, a guy that a lot of us like, Justin Houston, only had 2 pass break ups on the year. So if Miller offers nothing in coverage, I would hate to imagine what Houston can do.

                                I also watched Miller in the Nebraska game this year, and he consistently brought pressure and was a big reason as to why the Aggies defense won that game.


                                My Favorite 3-4 OLB prospects

                                1) Justin Houston
                                2) Ryan Kerrigan
                                3) Von Miller
                                4) Aldon Smith
                                5) Mark Herzlich

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