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  • Schaub to Houston

    Apparently for our second rounder.

    http://nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10078226

    Thoughts?

    Edit: We gave up 75 picks for him.
    Last edited by comahan; 03-21-2007, 07:19 PM.





  • #2
    I wanted more lol

    Sig by BK

    “They have one guy, he’s pretty short. But he can go out and play. He can be a little aggravating too.’’ -- Joe Flacco talking about Brent Grimes.

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    • #3
      Where are your targets for Carr?

      Raider? Browns?

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      • #4
        Awesome, we gave up like 64 picks for him.

        I hate Houston.




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        • #5
          I hate this trade...gave up wayyyy too much for an unproven player...I dont think too highly of Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak right now.

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          • #6
            Yes, this trade does look like it favored the Falcons. You guys may feel like this is a terrible trade. Although at this point I don't think Schuab has proved anything to make him worth what you gave up for him, this doesn't mean he won't turn out to be great.

            And if he turns out to be very good, which is a strong possibility, the Texans will be going places. And if that doesn't make you feel any better, the Falcons still have Vick who may or may not pan out. Maybe this is a trade the Falcons will regret later. Maybe it won't. It's hard not to be judgemental at this point, but be optomistic. Texan fans have been through a lot the last couple years. Maybe this is the start to something new.

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            • #7
              If it's any consolation. I really like what I've seen from Matt Schaub, and he's a perfect fit for Kubiak's offense. I think he will be an upgrade over Carr, for a certainty. I think Houston conceded to Atlanta's asking price, because they wanted to get him in the fold, as soon as possible.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Shiver View Post
                If it's any consolation. I really like what I've seen from Matt Schaub, and he's a perfect fit for Kubiak's offense. I think he will be an upgrade over Carr, for a certainty. I think Houston conceded to Atlanta's asking price, because they wanted to get him in the fold, as soon as possible.
                So now having swapped picks from 10 to 8, what direction do you think your team is going to go on draft day? Was that move up just extra insurance to be in better position to select Landry?

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                • #9
                  I would say the two most likely candidates for the Falcons are Laron Landry, and Adrian Peterson.

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                  • #10
                    how can shaub fit better then carr in the system shacub isnt as mobile and that is what kubiak likes. He wants his qbs to bootleg schaub cant do that as well as carr, but everyone wants him gone so they got their wish and now were going to see how bad david really was. Is it the line and the bad running game or him? Schaub better play above average next year becasue we gave up 2 2nd's.

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                    • #11
                      It seems like the Texans keep trying to piss off their fans. 2 seconds and move down two spots in the first. Rick Smith is trash. What a moron.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by America View Post
                        It seems like the Texans keep trying to piss off their fans. 2 seconds and move down two spots in the first. Rick Smith is trash. What a moron.
                        Pat Kirwan reported, a few weeks ago, that a mid-1st value is what Atlanta would command. He quoted several personnel guys from around the league. Rick Smith, Gary Kubiak, gave up what they had to. No more, no less.

                        Here is the article, written at the time of the combine;

                        It appears that as coaches got done watching the Combine workouts, some of them rekindled their thinking about Matt Schaub. Be assured, Atlanta will put the high tender on Matt at week's end, but that doesn't mean Atlanta will require a first- and third-round pick as compensation in a trade.

                        The Falcons will not give the guy away, but after evaluating the 2007 prospects' performances, Schaub probably is no worse than third in this class, and for a few teams, he's probably second. As one personnel director with an interest in a quarterback said, "The Falcons know that Schaub's value is probably close to the 15th pick in the first round, but putting a deal together that works for all parties is the tricky part."

                        Here are a few ideas that are floating around Indianapolis this weekend.

                        1. A team in the top 14 spots in the draft could trade down close to the 15th spot, pick up an extra pick or two, and then trade for Schaub and get the other players they need with the extra picks. Keep in mind, Schaub would have to negotiate a long-term deal with a new club. I'm not sure the Falcons will ever trade Schaub, but if a team calls with a pick close to No. 15, they might sit up and listen. I wonder if teams like Minnesota, Houston or Miami would consider this idea?

                        2. It can be problematic for a team to get another team to trade with them in the draft in order to position them for a maneuver like Scenario No. 1, but using a second-round pick this season and a sliding-scale pick in the 2008 draft eliminates a third party. Consider the same three teams mentioned above put a package together that includes this year's second-round pick and a second next year that could escalate to a first if Schaub hits certain benchmarks. For instance, a second-round pick in 2008 appreciates to a first-round pick if Matt starts 10 or more games, throws a minimum of 15 touchdown passes and gains more than 2,000 yards. The Falcons would have a hard time turning that deal down, the trading club keeps this year's first-round pick and I'm sure the team would be comfortable parting with its 2008 selection based on performance.

                        3. Schaub could throw a monkey wrench in the whole thing if an interested club puts out a low-ball offer. He could decide to just sit in a Falcons uniform for one year on a high tender and then hit the street as an unrestricted free agent in 2008 with the opportunity to let any of the other 31 clubs compete for his services. The Falcons know they will receive no compensation for Schaub if he walks in 2008, and there's no way the Falcons would protect themselves in 2008 with a $12 million franchise tag.

                        Based on conversations I have heard around Indianapolis this weekend, it will be interesting to see what happens with the Matt Schaub situation.
                        Let's not act as if Houston gave too much. They did what was necessary.
                        Last edited by Shiver; 03-21-2007, 06:54 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Getting Schaub wasn't necessary. He's 2 years younger than Carr. He's unproven, and I really don't like him at all, mostly because of all the hype. We have too many needs to be trading away draft picks, especially high ones.

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                          • #14
                            The Texans were going to use a day-1 pick on a QB anyway, if they didn't trade for Schaub. At least with Schaub, there is tangible proof that he can play in the NFL, unlike any rookie.

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                            • #15
                              I agree with America on this one. This was a horrible move on our part. Shiver like you said we were probably going to take a qb day one anyway, but the soonest we would take someone would probably be the third round, and we could have at least gotten our hands on some of the great defensive talent available in round 2.

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