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  • Originally posted by cunningham06
    Originally posted by datchapin
    At DT Terdel Sands looked good and Holliday is a proven talent. However Holliday is getting older and Sands has been inconsistent at times. I don't know if Sands is because of his situational duties that he can't catch a rhythm, but he has played dominant at times. There's another DT that I liked as well, but can't remember right now. The thing I wonder is who out there represent's definite upgrades. What would everybody think of moving Weaver to the middle for more snaps. I like that he's a hybrid, but maybe it would optimize our talent.
    Terdel Sands is huge and really strong, however he lacks the skill and consistency to be great I think. If we brought him in I don't know if he would be much more than a space-eater in the middle for us. Vonnie Holliday would be an excellent addition for us if we are able to get him. A proven veteran who is good against the pass and the run? I've been very pleased with Maddox's play, but Thomas Johnson looks sluggish and unaware out there. For that matter both Johnson's aren't anything special, and there are several ways we could fix the defensive line. We could move Weaver inside to play full time DT, and could go after another penetrator at DE in the draft, such as Gaines Adams. We could of course draft Branch to plug in at DT, but I think this way might help the pass rush out more. If we were to draft Gaines Adams, then we could keep our DE's constantly fresh, and keep the pressure on. It's basically the same thing the Eagles were doing at the beginning of the season, a starting caliber DE at backup can wreak havoc on an offensive line. So that's just something to think about.
    Only problem is Adams is pretty much a lock at the top 5, maybe even 3.

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    • Originally posted by America
      Originally posted by cunningham06
      Originally posted by datchapin
      At DT Terdel Sands looked good and Holliday is a proven talent. However Holliday is getting older and Sands has been inconsistent at times. I don't know if Sands is because of his situational duties that he can't catch a rhythm, but he has played dominant at times. There's another DT that I liked as well, but can't remember right now. The thing I wonder is who out there represent's definite upgrades. What would everybody think of moving Weaver to the middle for more snaps. I like that he's a hybrid, but maybe it would optimize our talent.
      Terdel Sands is huge and really strong, however he lacks the skill and consistency to be great I think. If we brought him in I don't know if he would be much more than a space-eater in the middle for us. Vonnie Holliday would be an excellent addition for us if we are able to get him. A proven veteran who is good against the pass and the run? I've been very pleased with Maddox's play, but Thomas Johnson looks sluggish and unaware out there. For that matter both Johnson's aren't anything special, and there are several ways we could fix the defensive line. We could move Weaver inside to play full time DT, and could go after another penetrator at DE in the draft, such as Gaines Adams. We could of course draft Branch to plug in at DT, but I think this way might help the pass rush out more. If we were to draft Gaines Adams, then we could keep our DE's constantly fresh, and keep the pressure on. It's basically the same thing the Eagles were doing at the beginning of the season, a starting caliber DE at backup can wreak havoc on an offensive line. So that's just something to think about.
      Only problem is Adams is pretty much a lock at the top 5, maybe even 3.
      I don't see him going top 3 the teams picking there have bigger needs than DE. Bucs picking him makes a lot of sense, but we'll see. The combine hasn't happened yet and chances are that teams won't be wowed by Gaines's strength. He is decently strong but needs to get stronger, that and his arms are ridiculously long. If he has a mediocre combine showing I wouldn't be surprised if he is available at 8. If not we could go after Quintin Moses or just take Alan Branch. One reason that I like Gaines is that if his hands are really strong and if he gets a handful of jersey whoever it is is probably going to go down. Our defense has huge problems with tackling, and he could help.

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      • Originally posted by cunningham06
        Originally posted by America
        Originally posted by cunningham06
        Originally posted by datchapin
        At DT Terdel Sands looked good and Holliday is a proven talent. However Holliday is getting older and Sands has been inconsistent at times. I don't know if Sands is because of his situational duties that he can't catch a rhythm, but he has played dominant at times. There's another DT that I liked as well, but can't remember right now. The thing I wonder is who out there represent's definite upgrades. What would everybody think of moving Weaver to the middle for more snaps. I like that he's a hybrid, but maybe it would optimize our talent.
        Terdel Sands is huge and really strong, however he lacks the skill and consistency to be great I think. If we brought him in I don't know if he would be much more than a space-eater in the middle for us. Vonnie Holliday would be an excellent addition for us if we are able to get him. A proven veteran who is good against the pass and the run? I've been very pleased with Maddox's play, but Thomas Johnson looks sluggish and unaware out there. For that matter both Johnson's aren't anything special, and there are several ways we could fix the defensive line. We could move Weaver inside to play full time DT, and could go after another penetrator at DE in the draft, such as Gaines Adams. We could of course draft Branch to plug in at DT, but I think this way might help the pass rush out more. If we were to draft Gaines Adams, then we could keep our DE's constantly fresh, and keep the pressure on. It's basically the same thing the Eagles were doing at the beginning of the season, a starting caliber DE at backup can wreak havoc on an offensive line. So that's just something to think about.
        Only problem is Adams is pretty much a lock at the top 5, maybe even 3.
        I don't see him going top 3 the teams picking there have bigger needs than DE. Bucs picking him makes a lot of sense, but we'll see. The combine hasn't happened yet and chances are that teams won't be wowed by Gaines's strength. He is decently strong but needs to get stronger, that and his arms are ridiculously long. If he has a mediocre combine showing I wouldn't be surprised if he is available at 8. If not we could go after Quintin Moses or just take Alan Branch. One reason that I like Gaines is that if his hands are really strong and if he gets a handful of jersey whoever it is is probably going to go down. Our defense has huge problems with tackling, and he could help.
        Word, Word. Moses would be a bad pick at 8. He hasn't been very good and probably could only play in a 3-4. He's kind of like Bryan Thomas on the Jets. Branch would be solid, but he might be gone, and even if he isn't, I don't like him that much. There's a boatload of talent at scUM, and it's hard to tell if he's being helped by being surrounded by all the good players. And he's not much of a playmaker, which we need more of.

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        • Texans fear Spencer is gone for good
          Unique knee injury jeopardizes tackle's career

          [Texans rookie Charles Spencer has a metal plate and about eight screws in his knee. The fracture that ended his season after just two starts has healed.

          That doesn't mean the Texans will have their starting left offensive tackle back any time soon, though. In fact, what appeared to be a bright NFL future for Spencer is now in question because of cartilage around his knee that was damaged as a result of the injury.

          "It's certainly an injury that threatens a guy's career, especially a guy like Spencer," said Dr. Walter Lowe, the team physician who performed Spencer's surgery Sept. 18.]
          Link: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/4440416.html


          Seems like we need to find another LT this off season either through free agency or draft to replace Spencer next year. It doesn't look good right now.

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          • That's a real shame for Spencer and the Texans.

            What are the prospects of Winston being able to start at LT? If not, Levi Brown might be an option, if he has a very good combine. There are very few decent tackles ever available in FA...

            Excluding the O-line, I think a great option at #8, if available, would be Branch. Putting him next to Mario would be crazy in a year or so. That kind of dominance up front can hide a lot of secondary inconsistencies, which are easier to fix later in the draft.
            TD 2011 catch-phrase: "explosive"

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            • Levi Brown is RT and Winston is still inconsistent as a RT. Either way we need to get LT this year either in FA or draft.

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              • I read that as well, but from what I read it said the initial injury is completely healed. It'll take a month before they can know how his cartilidge is doing, but that will be well before the draft and even then I wouldn't move that to first round priority. I guess I'll break down a sort of big board about who we should go after in the draft. The first rd. Shouldn't be to hard and the second and third rds. I think I can do as well.

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                • I'm not too high on Branch. Matter of fact I don't really like him at all. He doesn't dominate at the point of attack and his sophmore counterpart Taylor, I think, has a much bigger impact. Branch should not be even considered for the Texan's. I wouldn't even consider a D-linemen in the first rd. unless we moved down and got multiple picks. At which point we would get someone else in addition to considering a Quentin Moses or Amobe Okoye, who by the way I think is a real stud. The guy's so young and has so much potential I wouldn't be surprised if he supplanted Branch as the top DT. All that being said I don't think we should go d-line in the first day. We may have some holes, but I think we have alot of other areas of concern before we address the d-line again in the draft. I would rather look for FA DT's than draft one. At least not this yr.

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                  • One of the things I see that has been a major problem for our defense is our secondary. The reason our guys aren't getting to the QB consistently is that receiver's are getting open too quickly. It's been too many times this yr. where our defense blows by the o-line, but are still too late because somebody got open. Yes, our d-line doesn't always apply much pressure, but that can be chalked up to injuries as well. Weaver and Mario have played through injuries and Peek was out 5 weeks. I think Babin missed some time as well, but right now I can't remember. However with them all healthy as well as our DT's I think our pass rush will improve. I look at our secondary and to be honest our CB's aren't half bad, they'll give up the occasional big play, but it's at safety that we always get burned. Okay, maybe not always, but a majority of the time. Neither of our safeties really has much of a nose for the ball. While they are good at hitting and run support they need to be at the location of the play as the ball is getting there. A true ballhawking FS would do wonders for our defense.

                    On offense our guys are starting to finally click. What do I see missing here. A true RB, now I'm not saying that this is the biggest need, but this is our biggest need on offense. (depending on how Spencer goes.) Dayne doesn't have breakaway speed, not even close to it so he'll never take it the distance even if he does get to the secondary. Lundy is our most balanced back, but he doesn't have good vision every time. Taylor may be our best runner, but I haven't seen him enough to say he's our answer. DW, still can't believe he changed his name, may never come back. Our RB situation is the biggest question mark 2 me. The one time Dayne went over 100 yds. he needed a ton of carries against the worst run D in the league, I don't know how much weight to put on that.

                    The way I see it is these are our two biggest needs, hence they should be the ones we tackle in the 1st rd. of the draft. Obviously we can only take one so I'll do a little review of how I think our pick should be run down.

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                    • Originally posted by datchapin
                      One of the things I see that has been a major problem for our defense is our secondary. The reason our guys aren't getting to the QB consistently is that receiver's are getting open too quickly. It's been too many times this yr. where our defense blows by the o-line, but are still too late because somebody got open. Yes, our d-line doesn't always apply much pressure, but that can be chalked up to injuries as well. Weaver and Mario have played through injuries and Peek was out 5 weeks. I think Babin missed some time as well, but right now I can't remember. However with them all healthy as well as our DT's I think our pass rush will improve. I look at our secondary and to be honest our CB's aren't half bad, they'll give up the occasional big play, but it's at safety that we always get burned. Okay, maybe not always, but a majority of the time. Neither of our safeties really has much of a nose for the ball. While they are good at hitting and run support they need to be at the location of the play as the ball is getting there. A true ballhawking FS would do wonders for our defense.

                      On offense our guys are starting to finally click. What do I see missing here. A true RB, now I'm not saying that this is the biggest need, but this is our biggest need on offense. (depending on how Spencer goes.) Dayne doesn't have breakaway speed, not even close to it so he'll never take it the distance even if he does get to the secondary. Lundy is our most balanced back, but he doesn't have good vision every time. Taylor may be our best runner, but I haven't seen him enough to say he's our answer. DW, still can't believe he changed his name, may never come back. Our RB situation is the biggest question mark 2 me. The one time Dayne went over 100 yds. he needed a ton of carries against the worst run D in the league, I don't know how much weight to put on that.

                      The way I see it is these are our two biggest needs, hence they should be the ones we tackle in the 1st rd. of the draft. Obviously we can only take one so I'll do a little review of how I think our pick should be run down.
                      Agreed. We do need to retool the secondary. At safety we need some help but I feel that cornerback should also be addressed.

                      Also for RB we'll see where Dom Williams is in a few months and whether he will be ready to play to see if we need a RB or not.

                      Demeco is DROY! Congrats to all the Texans fans including myself who called it in preseason!

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                      • Okay, now I believe in taking the BPA while at the same time filling a need. So I look at this draft and think to myself first rd. Who is the best talent and fills the needs. I decided to compile a short list of people we could take at our position that would give fair value while also addressing our need.

                        1. Adrian Peterson- The guy is a big time talent. However he may be there for us due to his injury history and his less than stellar performance at the Fiesta Bowl. He was not the best running back that game. However he is supposed to be the best pure RB to come out in a long time and he was just coming back from injury. So who know's, with that being said he fill's a need and there's the bonus that he's from Houston so if he's there I just think it would be a mistake to pass him over. (Though I really want this guy sentimentally the analitical football side of my mind hope's he's gone by the time our pick rolls around.)

                        2. Reggie Nelson- Some people have compared this guy to Ed Reed and I am not gonna correct them. This guy is a phenomenal talent. Ball hawk extraordinair. He can play CB as well, but has only started at FS for 2 season's I think. Having said that this guy still hasn't reached his ceiling and can still put on a few lbs. He could still decide not to come out, but with the recent passing of his mother he may want to shoulder responsibility of taking care of his family and come out. Of course nobody other than him know's how this recent event will effect his decision, but hopefully he decides to come out. The guy has an aggressive demeanor that would really fire up our defense. This guy would help our team the most and provide us with the best option here. Of course this is JMO.

                        3. Laron Landry- Not enough can be said about Landry. The guy is a leader in the defense and his football smarts are through the roof. Guy bring's solid consistency to any secondary he goes to. The thing about him is that nobody really tests him so he never get's that many opportunities to make plays. However on the next level all bet's are off as nobody in the NFL will shy away from a rookie and he will get plenty of opportunities to show he's a play maker. It's also a big plus that the guy can lay the lumber on anybody that comes into his vicinity. The question is how high is his ceiling, can he get any better. This is the big question between Landry and Nelson, while I believe that Landry is almost as good as he can get if I'm wrong the guy could be the next great safety to come out. If AP and Nelson are both gone. Which could happen because Arizona could use help in the secondary than Landry is the guy we should pick up.

                        4. Marshawn Lynch- If all three guys I listed above are gone, which is very unlikely, but you never know. Then this guy is our next best option, behind him the talent at RB drops off and he still gives adequate value at this pick. He might be a better fit on our team because of his great vision. He is quick and can make people miss in small spaces as well as run with power. He's not as fast as Peterson, but he is a better receiver and quicker. In addition to that the guy bring's a cockiness that our offense sorely needs. We need another playmaker on offense and this guy can be that guy.

                        Yes, it's true that I didn't go to in depth with these guys and pull up their stats or whathaveyou, but we do got until the draft so I don't feel the need to cram everything into this post. However this is the first rd. mini big-board for us right now. The way I see it.

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                        • Originally posted by cunningham06
                          Originally posted by datchapin
                          One of the things I see that has been a major problem for our defense is our secondary. The reason our guys aren't getting to the QB consistently is that receiver's are getting open too quickly. It's been too many times this yr. where our defense blows by the o-line, but are still too late because somebody got open. Yes, our d-line doesn't always apply much pressure, but that can be chalked up to injuries as well. Weaver and Mario have played through injuries and Peek was out 5 weeks. I think Babin missed some time as well, but right now I can't remember. However with them all healthy as well as our DT's I think our pass rush will improve. I look at our secondary and to be honest our CB's aren't half bad, they'll give up the occasional big play, but it's at safety that we always get burned. Okay, maybe not always, but a majority of the time. Neither of our safeties really has much of a nose for the ball. While they are good at hitting and run support they need to be at the location of the play as the ball is getting there. A true ballhawking FS would do wonders for our defense.

                          On offense our guys are starting to finally click. What do I see missing here. A true RB, now I'm not saying that this is the biggest need, but this is our biggest need on offense. (depending on how Spencer goes.) Dayne doesn't have breakaway speed, not even close to it so he'll never take it the distance even if he does get to the secondary. Lundy is our most balanced back, but he doesn't have good vision every time. Taylor may be our best runner, but I haven't seen him enough to say he's our answer. DW, still can't believe he changed his name, may never come back. Our RB situation is the biggest question mark 2 me. The one time Dayne went over 100 yds. he needed a ton of carries against the worst run D in the league, I don't know how much weight to put on that.

                          The way I see it is these are our two biggest needs, hence they should be the ones we tackle in the 1st rd. of the draft. Obviously we can only take one so I'll do a little review of how I think our pick should be run down.
                          Agreed. We do need to retool the secondary. At safety we need some help but I feel that cornerback should also be addressed.

                          Also for RB we'll see where Dom Williams is in a few months and whether he will be ready to play to see if we need a RB or not.

                          Demeco is DROY! Congrats to all the Texans fans including myself who called it in preseason!
                          CB I agree, an upgrade would be nice, but I would like us to pursue Samuels or Clements this off-season. If we can't get them I just can't see us going CB with our first pick. Hall has been burned (Maybe that's a little harsh, but you know what I mean.) when I watch him. Which is against USC and Texas. So until Cason and Revis declare I don't think I'd put CB into first rd. consideration.

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                          • Originally posted by datchapin
                            Originally posted by cunningham06
                            Originally posted by datchapin
                            One of the things I see that has been a major problem for our defense is our secondary. The reason our guys aren't getting to the QB consistently is that receiver's are getting open too quickly. It's been too many times this yr. where our defense blows by the o-line, but are still too late because somebody got open. Yes, our d-line doesn't always apply much pressure, but that can be chalked up to injuries as well. Weaver and Mario have played through injuries and Peek was out 5 weeks. I think Babin missed some time as well, but right now I can't remember. However with them all healthy as well as our DT's I think our pass rush will improve. I look at our secondary and to be honest our CB's aren't half bad, they'll give up the occasional big play, but it's at safety that we always get burned. Okay, maybe not always, but a majority of the time. Neither of our safeties really has much of a nose for the ball. While they are good at hitting and run support they need to be at the location of the play as the ball is getting there. A true ballhawking FS would do wonders for our defense.

                            On offense our guys are starting to finally click. What do I see missing here. A true RB, now I'm not saying that this is the biggest need, but this is our biggest need on offense. (depending on how Spencer goes.) Dayne doesn't have breakaway speed, not even close to it so he'll never take it the distance even if he does get to the secondary. Lundy is our most balanced back, but he doesn't have good vision every time. Taylor may be our best runner, but I haven't seen him enough to say he's our answer. DW, still can't believe he changed his name, may never come back. Our RB situation is the biggest question mark 2 me. The one time Dayne went over 100 yds. he needed a ton of carries against the worst run D in the league, I don't know how much weight to put on that.

                            The way I see it is these are our two biggest needs, hence they should be the ones we tackle in the 1st rd. of the draft. Obviously we can only take one so I'll do a little review of how I think our pick should be run down.
                            Agreed. We do need to retool the secondary. At safety we need some help but I feel that cornerback should also be addressed.

                            Also for RB we'll see where Dom Williams is in a few months and whether he will be ready to play to see if we need a RB or not.

                            Demeco is DROY! Congrats to all the Texans fans including myself who called it in preseason!
                            CB I agree, an upgrade would be nice, but I would like us to pursue Samuels or Clements this off-season. If we can't get them I just can't see us going CB with our first pick. Hall has been burned (Maybe that's a little harsh, but you know what I mean.) when I watch him. Which is against USC and Texas. So until Cason and Revis declare I don't think I'd put CB into first rd. consideration.
                            Leon Hall did not look very good in the game against USC, he got burned and didn't have the speed to recover and make the tackle which was worrisome. You assembled a good draft board, but the 2 RB's suggests you don't think Dom Williams is going to be effective when he returns? BTW I hate the name change it just sounds generic and lame.

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                            • Originally posted by datchapin
                              ......and there's the bonus that he's from Houston.....
                              Peterson is not from Houston. He's from Palestine, which is closer to Dallas than it is Houston.

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                              • Oh, umm, there's the bonus that he's from Texas. :P

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