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  • #16
    Charlie Johnson wasn't a good left tackle, but he did pretty good at guard during the Super Bowl. I don't think its time to cut him just yet, its not like we drafted him for left tackle, anyway.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by tylerb929 View Post
      Charlie Johnson wasn't a good left tackle, but he did pretty good at guard during the Super Bowl. I don't think its time to cut him just yet, its not like we drafted him for left tackle, anyway.
      Unless I'm mistaken, Johnson played as RT during the Super Bowl.

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      • #18
        Agreed, I do believe he stepped in for an injured Ryan Diem.

        Hopefully Ryan Diem bounces back to have a good year, I wouldn't be surprised if this is his last season with the Colts (otherwise), what with his salary increasing considering in the last few years of his current deal. And he's taken the mantle of stupid penalties, I'm pretty sure he had one against the Chargers that really hurt the team.

        If the Colts spend a Day One pick on RT next year, then they'll have drafted (plus re-signing Lilja) their young, revamped OL in a three-year-period. An OL that can hopefully run-block and pass-block proficiently.
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        • #19
          You forgot the practice squad

          I would just shift Charlie Johnson to the practice squad, put Dylan Gandy at OL and Curtis Johnson in at DE. Pierre Garcon is a project, in Polian's words. If he does not take over the KR role from T.J.Rushing, then he will be in the practice squad. If he does, I think T.J.Rushing will go to the practice squad. Here is my list, based on moving Dylan Gandy back for Charlie Johnson and Curtis Johnson back for Pierre Garcon. Besides, I feel there is no need for 6 WRs in the roster since we have enough TEs to run 2 TE plays more often.


          Quarterback (2) Peyton Manning (32-'12), Jim Sorgi (27-'10)

          Runningback (3) Joseph Addai (25-'10), Mike Hart, Chad Simpson

          Wide Receiver (5) Marvin Harrison (36-'11), Reggie Wayne (29-'11), Anthony Gonzalez (23-'11), Roy Hall (24-'10), Devin Aromashodu (24-'09)

          Tight end (3) Dallas Clark (29-'13), Tom Santi, Jacob Tamme

          Offensive Tackle (3) Tony Ugoh (24-'10), Ryan Diem (29-'11), Michael Toudouze

          Interior OL (6) Jeff Saturday (33-'08), Ryan Lilja (26-'12), Mike Pollak, Steve Justice, Dylan Gandy (OG), Jamey Richard

          Defensive end (5) Dwight Freeney (28-'12), Robert Mathis (27-'10), Josh Thomas (27-'08), Marcus Howard, Curtis Johnson

          Defensive tackle (6) Ed Johnson (24-'08**), Quinn Pitcock (24-'09*), Raheem Brock (30-'10), Keyunta Dawson (22-'10), Eric Foster, Darrell Reid (26-'08)

          Linebacker (5) Gary Brackett (28-'09), Freddy Keiaho (25-'09), Tyjuan Hagler (26-'08), Phillip Wheeler, Clint Session (23-'10)

          Cornerback (6) Marlin Jackson (25-'09), Kelvin Hayden (25-'08), Dante Hughes (23-'10), Michael Coe (24-'10), Tim Jennings (24-'09), TJ Rushing (25-'09)

          Safety (6) Bob Sanders (27-'12), Antoine Bethea (24-'09), Matt Giordano (25-'08), Melvin Bullitt (23-'09*), Brannon Condren (25-'10), Jamie Silva

          Special Teams (3) Adam Vinatieri (35-'10), Justin Snow (31-'12), Hunter Smith (31-'09)

          Practice Squad (8)
          WR Pierre Garcon
          RB Kenton Keith
          TE Bryan Fletcher
          RB Luke Lawton
          LB Ramon Guzman
          OL Corey Hilliard
          OL Charlie Johnson
          DE Jeff Charleston
          Last edited by chad72; 05-02-2008, 11:50 AM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by chad72 View Post
            Practice Squad (8)
            WR Pierre Garcon
            RB Kenton Keith
            TE Bryan Fletcher
            RB Luke Lawton
            LB Ramon Guzman
            OL Corey Hilliard
            OL Charlie Johnson
            DE Jeff Charleston
            If you've played a season in the NFL you can't be on the practice squad. Which eliminates, Kenton Keith, Bryan Fletcher, Luke Lawton, Ramon Guzman, Charlie Johnson, and Jeff Charleston.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by tylerb929 View Post
              If you've played a season in the NFL you can't be on the practice squad. Which eliminates, Kenton Keith, Bryan Fletcher, Luke Lawton, Ramon Guzman, Charlie Johnson, and Jeff Charleston.
              It's more than a season I think, but I'm not 100% sure. I remember hearing something about 3 years before though.


              The problem arises when people use statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support instead of illumination.

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              • #22
                With the recent releases of Gandy, Fletcher and possible suspension of Marvin Harrison, Kenton Keith here is what my current pre-camp depth chart looks like.

                Quarterback (2) Peyton Manning (32-'12), Jim Sorgi (27-'10)

                Runningback (3) Joseph Addai (25-'10), Mike Hart, Chad Simpson

                Wide Receiver (6) Marvin Harrison (36-'11), Reggie Wayne (29-'11), Anthony Gonzalez (23-'11), Roy Hall (24-'10), Sam Giguere, Pierre Garcon

                Tight end (3) Dallas Clark (29-'13), Jacob Tamme, Tom Santi

                Offensive Tackle (3) Tony Ugoh (24-'10), Ryan Diem (29-'11), Michael Toudouze

                Interior OL (5) Jeff Saturday (33-'08), Ryan Lilja (26-'12), Mike Pollak, Charlie Johnson, Steve Justice

                Defensive end (5) Dwight Freeney (28-'12), Robert Mathis (27-'10), Josh Thomas (27-'08), Marcus Howard, Jeff Charleston

                Defensive tackle (6) Ed Johnson (24-'08**), Raheem Brock (30-'10), Quinn Pitcock (24-'09*), Keyunta Dawson (22-'10), Eric Foster, Darrell Reid (26-'08)

                Linebacker (5) Gary Brackett (28-'09), Freddy Keiaho (25-'09), Tyjuan Hagler (26-'08), Phillip Wheeler, Clint Session (23-'10)

                Cornerback (6) Marlin Jackson (25-'09), Kelvin Hayden (25-'08), Dante Hughes (23-'10), Michael Coe (24-'10), Tim Jennings (24-'09), TJ Rushing (25-'09)

                Safety (6) Bob Sanders (27-'12), Antoine Bethea (24-'09), Matt Giordano (25-'08), Melvin Bullitt (23-'09*), Brannon Condren (25-'10), Jamie Silva

                Special Teams (3) Adam Vinatieri (35-'10), Justin Snow (31-'12), Hunter Smith (31-'09)

                Practice Squad (6)

                RB Kenton Keith
                WR Devin Aromashodu
                RB Luke Lawton
                LB Ramon Guzman
                OL Corey Hilliard
                OL Jamey Richard

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Dam8610 View Post
                  It's more than a season I think, but I'm not 100% sure. I remember hearing something about 3 years before though.
                  Originally posted by thenewstribune.com
                  After noon EST on September 2nd, each club may establish a Practice Squad of no more than eight (8) players who are free agents.The practice squad shall consist of the following players, provided that they have not served more than two previous seasons on a Practice Squad: (i) players who do not have an Accrued Season of NFL experience; and (ii) free agent players who were on the Active List for fewer than nine regular season games during their only Accrued Season(s). An otherwise eligible player may be a practice squad player for a third season only if the Club by which he is employed that season has at least 53 players on its Active/Inactive List during the entire period of his employment. A player shall be deemed to have served on a Practice Squad in a season if he has passed the club’s physical and been a member of the club’s Practice Squad for at least three regular season or postseason games during his first two Practice Squad seasons, and for at least one regular season or postseason game during his third Practice Squad season. (A bye week counts as a game provided that the player is not terminated until after the regular season or postseason weekend in question.) and who did not dress for more than eight (8) regular season games during their only accrued (i.e., on the 53 man roster for at least 6 games) season. Minimum salary for a practice squad player shall be $4,700 per week for the 2006-07 League Years, $5,200 per week for the 2008-10 League Years and the 2011 League Year if it is an Uncapped Year, and $5,700 per week for the 2011 League Year if it is a Capped Year and the 2012 League Year, including postseason weeks in which his Club is in the playoffs. Aigher salary can be negotiated. In addition, a player under contract to a club as a Practice Squad player is completely free to sign a contract with another NFL club during the season in order to be on the second club's Active/Inactive (i.e., 53 man) list. A practice squad player may not sign an NFL Player Contract with his Club’s next opponent later than 4:00 p.m., New York time, on the sixth day preceding the game (except in bye weeks, when the prohibition commences on the tenth day preceding the game).If another club signs a Practice Squad player to its 53 man roster it does not have to provide any sort of compensation to the player's former club but it generally must keep the player on the 53 man roster for at least 3 weeks, thereby mandating that he earns in 2007 the minimum first year salary for said 3 week period ($285,000 prorated weekly). Also note that a team can add and release players from the practice squad as often as it desires and the eight (8) man limit does not have to be maintained. A player may be on the practice squad for two seasons; three weeks on the practice squad count as a season. An otherwise eligible player may be a practice squad player for a third season only if the Club by which he is employed that season has at least 53 players on its Active/Inactive List during the entire period of his employment. The League may elect to allow some or all Clubs to add to their practice squads one additional player, who shall not count against the limit above, whose citizenship and principal place of residence are outside the United States and its Territories (“International Player”). The League’s election in any one season shall not determine or affect its election in any subsequent season
                  Here are the rules for the practice squad.

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                  • #24
                    Thanks for that tyler, I see the 3 years part now (part about a player having been on a practice squad with the same team and the team having 53 players...applies to guys like John Standeford in the past).

                    Anyway, no one has yet attempted to address the 2nd part of what this thread is about. What are the current team needs? Honestly looking at the roster, the only thing I see missing that I'd really like added is a dominant 3-tech, ala a Warren Sapp or Tommie Harris (who, incidentally, could be a FA at season's end). Looking at the contract situations, it's looking like DB is the next biggest need, that is if the RB situation pans. Is there anything I'm missing here?


                    The problem arises when people use statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support instead of illumination.

                    If luck is where preparation meets opportunity, then clutch is where failure meets luck.

                    <Add1ct> setting myself on fire can't be that hard
                    <Add1ct> but tackling a mosquito might prove a challenge

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                    • #25
                      Dam, I agree completely with 3-tech UT. I've been saying that for awhile.

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                      • #26
                        I really think Quinn Pitcock can be that guy for us at the 3-tech UT if he works at it. But I think a hard hitting LB that can stop the run like a Rob Morris is the biggest concern right now, next would be Harrison's future replacment, and finally the QB of the future to groom behind Peyton cause we all know its not Sorgi. The 49ers were succesfully cause they groom that QB in behind Montana before it was to late.

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                        • #27
                          I think right tackle might be the biggest need, and could possibly be addressed in the 1st round next year in a very strong/big OL class, but defensive tackle also needs to be addressed with Darrell Reid being a free agent and next year's DT class looking good right now.

                          DT Vance Walker (no official numbers yet but somewhere around 6-2/285) of Georgia Tech seems like a very good candidate. He really burst out in his first season as a starter last year (45 tackles, 14 TFL, 8.5 sacks, 3 FFs), he seems suited as a pass rusher who can also do a solid job against the run. I later discovered McShay of ESPN had him going to the Colts in his early 09 mock, heh, he actually made a good pick.

                          But RT is a need, Diem's tenure with the Colts could end next offseason, and the Colts need to draft RT to complete their younger and superior OL of the future. Thankfully there look to be some really good prospects for the position, Big Ten guys especially.

                          Maybe WR is a consideration, depending on how the young guys (Aromashodu, Hall, Garcon, and Giguere) look. Derrick Williams of Penn State might not go high, I've always kind of liked him, and he might provide return capability as well.
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                          • #28
                            Well, Derick Williams is certainly talented.

                            But as of right now, his biggest weakness is what Bill Polian values the most in WR prospects, route running.

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                            • #29
                              Out of curiosity, would you say Deon Butler is the better receiver?
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                              • #30
                                Also, another big need for the Colts next offseason is a bigger DE who can play run downs. Josh Thomas was re-signed for 08, allowing the Colts to address that position/role in next year's Draft.
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