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  • #31
    Jordan Shipley

    Originally posted by Seamus2602 View Post

    Wide Receiver: The injury to Gonzalez showed the team could use a bit more depth at Receiver but I can't see the team using a high pick at the position as the new Receiver will probably not contribute much in the Offense. The only way I could see a highish pick at Reciever is if it was really good value and a player who can bring something extra as a Kick Returner.
    I try not to want to make a case for Jordan Shipley because he is very much another slot wideout kind and then he puts up numbers in the return game every week. He is touted to be rounds 2 to 3 but I doubt he lasts that long, probably late first round to early second round if he continues to perform this way. I did like Eric Decker of Minnesota and the way he took contact and maintained possession against Cal. on that TD pass today, a bigger wideout than we usually go for may not be a bad thing. If he is there at the end of the second, I wonder if that will count as good value to BP.

    If BP wants an RT to replace Ryan Diem, I would like Sam Young of Notre Dame as a 2nd rounder if possible, he looks good on the field. Jason Fox of Miami at LT looked good as well. The more Miami keeps winning, I expect Jason Fox's stock to go up, same with Sam Young. But you can see that Sam Young is more of the Ryan Diem kind, a possible mauler and Jason Fox is more of the 300 lb quick footed LT kind and is never going to be a mauler. I do like the Gabe Carimi guy of Wisconsin that Seamus pointed out. He had an injury recently and it is possible he may drop to the bottom of the 2nd. Does Wisconsin still have the same O-line coach that coached Joe Thomas?

    This is an article posted a month ago on nfl.com:

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...s&confirm=true

    I do like Kyle Calloway's resume as well as a day two RT pick.
    Last edited by chad72; 09-19-2009, 10:19 PM.

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    • #32
      What do you guys think about West Virginia's OT Selvish Capers?

      Could he be a good candidate for LT of the future?

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      • #33
        Haven't see him play enough to form an opinion. Scott in his mock though does make him sound like a player to look at.

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        • #34
          BP might trade down this time

          I'd say BP trades down to the top of the 2nd getting and extra 2nd & 4th picks in return.

          My top 3 right now:

          Round 2 early trade pick: Jason Fox, LT, Miami

          Round 2 pick: Daryl Washington, ILB, TCU

          Round 3 pick: Brian Jackson, CB, Oklahoma (to replace Marlin Jackson if he leaves or to add another physical presence like Marlin Jackson at 6'1", 200 lbs, you should have seen how well Brian Jackson played Jordan Shipley in the OU-Texas game, I think he can play nickel CB like Marlin Jackson as well as Free Safety, IMO)


          and the rest...
          Last edited by chad72; 10-30-2009, 10:18 PM.

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          • #35
            I'm not so sure they'll go with another lightweight, athletic LT in the draft. I think they like Charlie Johnson and need a Ryan Diem replacement. If what I've read about Fox is true he is what we don't need on the line. As if our run blocking wasn't bad enough already.

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            • #36
              305-315 lbs is not lightweight

              Originally posted by killxswitch View Post
              I'm not so sure they'll go with another lightweight, athletic LT in the draft. I think they like Charlie Johnson and need a Ryan Diem replacement. If what I've read about Fox is true he is what we don't need on the line. As if our run blocking wasn't bad enough already.
              This guy Jason Fox weighs in the 305-315 lbs range, that is not a lightweight by any means. In the Colts offense, we pass to set up the run. Ryan Diem is 320 lbs, and Jason Fox can easily put on that weight. It may also help if a decision is made to move Ugoh to guard, which I think they should try out.

              We use zone blocking and when the Denver O-lines that use zone blocking run so well, their lightweight O-line does not seem to have a problem making holes. Running is about O-line cohesion more than individual weight. We are not a good screening team and neither will we ever be a smash mouth running team like the Ravens, so we need to draft O-linemen that will better our strengths, running enough when necessary. We always will pass to set up the run under Manning, that is what will earn us our running lanes. In the playoffs, we may have to take more checkdowns in the passing game than in the regular season. If we do that, we will be fine and move the ball methodically.
              Last edited by chad72; 11-02-2009, 11:31 AM.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by chad72 View Post
                This guy Jason Fox weighs in the 305-315 lbs range, that is not a lightweight by any means. In the Colts offense, we pass to set up the run. Ryan Diem is 320 lbs, and Jason Fox can easily put on that weight. It may also help if a decision is made to move Ugoh to guard, which I think they should try out.

                We use zone blocking and when the Denver O-lines that use zone blocking run so well, their lightweight O-line does not seem to have a problem making holes. Running is about O-line cohesion more than individual weight. We are not a good screening team and neither will we ever be a smash mouth running team like the Ravens, so we need to draft O-linemen that will better our strengths, running enough when necessary. We always will pass to set up the run under Manning, that is what will earn us our running lanes. In the playoffs, we may have to take more checkdowns in the passing game than in the regular season. If we do that, we will be fine and move the ball methodically.
                The problem is that for the last season and a half, the passing game has been great but has not set up the run. The 49ers were dropping 6 and 7 into coverage yesterday and the Colts still couldn't spring Addai. It doesn't help that Addai is so indecisive but there weren't holes for him to run through.

                Denver's zone run blocking has worked great for years. The problem is that we either don't have the personnel or the coaching that Denver has had.

                Last year we could say that Manning didn't have an offseason with these guys, they were new to each other and weren't cohesive, Lilja was out, Addai was hurt and Rhodes was getting older, etc.

                This year they had an offseason together, Johnson, Saturday, Pollack, and Diem all played together extensively last year, Lilja is back, we have a new 1st round RB in Donald Brown and Addai is healthier, Mudd is still the coach, and they've been working hard at establishing the run better. And the line still sucks at run blocking.

                1 year I can understand, given all the problems last year. This year, though, I don't understand. It's mostly the same guys, the same coaching, improved running talent. If this isn't working then maybe a scheme and/or personnel change is in order, because this type of running is not going to help us win in the post season.

                I guess I heard wrong then. I thought Fox was a light-on-his-feet athletic 290 lb. pass blocking LT. How is his drive blocking? Does he seem to be strong and have the right mindset to play LT at the next level?

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                • #38
                  There may come a time when Pollack will be a good starter for us, but at this point he is mediocre.

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                  • #39
                    Mike Iupati

                    What do you guys think about Mike Iupati? Could he be a good OG in our system?

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                    • #40
                      Haven't seen him play yet this year. He seems to be a bigger player than what the Colts have looked for before in terms of a guard. Of course with Caldwell as the coach now, maybe we look for larger players on the O-line as well.

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                      • #41
                        There is a "Teams Needs" thread in the 2010 NFL Draft Forum, where I posted my opinion on what Colts' needs are.

                        The two biggest areas of concern are run-blocking and run defense.

                        I'd say the order is:

                        1. OG
                        2. UT
                        3. LT
                        4. OLB
                        5. KR/PR
                        6. RT
                        - Kyle Devan is a big improvement over Pollak, but he is far from great. He's still more of a OC. Perhaps the plan is to groom him as a replacement for Saturday. I really want us to get another good OG that we can run effectively behind.

                        - Both of our starting DTs (Muir and Johnson) are really NTs. That is fine considering we generate plenty of pass-rush from our DEs. Foster is UT, but he is really a situational player. Moala might be good in time, but he's really raw right now. I've been wanting to get a dominant UT for years now. Perhaps this is the draft to do it, it's loaded with talented DTs.

                        - Let me just say that I don't hate Charlie Johnson, we can live with him as our starting LT. But he is FAR from great. I think Peyton's quick decision-making ability makes his pass-blocking look better then what it actually is. I wouldn't call him a "franchise LT".

                        - Bringing in new and athletic OLB should be a priority in every draft for us.

                        - KR/PR position might have been #1 on this list if our offense wasn't as potent. We really don't need great field position with Manning and Co. With that being said, our returners suck.

                        - I've added RT simply because Diem is getting up there in age and we might need to look for a replacement soon.
                        Last edited by MaxV; 11-29-2009, 11:47 PM.

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                        • #42
                          IMO DE has to be a position we look for. Freeney and Mathis are the only two ends that offer a pass rush. It helps now that Coyer uses the LBs to blitz more but even having a 3rd legit pass rusher would really help the team, especially as Freeney gets older. Dawson, Brock, and especially Thomas do not offer much of a pass rush.

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                          • #43
                            3 DTs that we could get in the bottom of the 2nd

                            1. Dan Williams, Tennessee, might be more suited to NT than UT, not sure

                            2. Brian Price, prototypical 4-3 UT, UCLA - low risk, high reward option

                            3. Tyson Alualu, California - he has amazing numbers as a 3-4 end, and scouts believe his numbers would be great in a 4-3 and that he fits a "3 technique" DT style of play


                            My current mock would go like this:

                            Round 1: BP trades down to somewhere in the top of the 2nd round (since Iupati and elite OTs will most likely be gone by then) and gets an extra 2nd and 4th picks, at the top of the 2nd he picks -

                            Top of Round 2 Jason Fox, OT, Miami (excellent pass blocker, decent run blocker for Javarris James this year, very athletic for 310-315 lbs)

                            Bottom of Round 2: Tyson Alualu, DT, California - this link's analysis stood out to me -

                            http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/559518

                            (Quick, strong and passionate, Alualu's production is even more impressive considering he played defensive end in the 3-4 alignment -- a position typically defined as a block-consuming, role-playing spot more than a stat-producing position.

                            Scouts believe Alualu's numbers would be even more impressive if he were playing in a 4-3 defense. He appears better suited to be a "three technique" defensive tackle.)

                            But Brian Price, DT, UCLA at the same time is listed as a 4-3 under tackle only, and probably would be a good pick too.

                            Round 3: Gabe Carimi, OT/OG, Wisconsin (a versatile O-lineman that is an excellent run blocker and adequate pass blocker)

                            Round 4 Pick 1: Lindsey Witten, DE, Connecticut or Brandon Lang, DE, Troy (whoever is available)

                            Round 4 Pick 2: Reggie Carter, LB, UCLA

                            Maybe we take a flyer on a kick returning RB like Brandon James of Florida in round 5, maybe??
                            Last edited by chad72; 11-30-2009, 03:01 PM.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by MaxV View Post
                              What do you guys think about Mike Iupati? Could he be a good OG in our system?
                              I would love to get OG Mike Iupati in the 1st round since he is rising up the draft boards. Even though he is bigger than our normal OGs, he would fit our system because he is still athletic enough to run it. Plus we need a powerful mauler to help give us better push in the run game.

                              As for Mike Pollak, I see him having success and I sure havent given up on him, Im just not sure OG is where his future is. I think either he or DeVan would be a good replacement for Saturday when he calls it a career soon.
                              INDIANAPOLIS COLTS - A CHANGE IS COMING!

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                              • #45
                                Let's draft a new VP of Football Ops that doesn't kick the team in the balls right before the playoffs.

                                This is a joke, I'm not saying fire Polian. He really does suck at managing the Colts in the post season though.

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