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2009 Regular Season - Week 17 Colts at Bills (Sunday 1pm ET)

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  • I thought releasing Ed Johnson was a bad idea and this game didn't do anything to change my mind. Dan Muir played well so I can understand wanting him to start. But the depth behind him and Mookie is thin. Eric Foster is smart and does well on passing downs, and Moala will probably eventually be a good player, but right now if one of the starting DTs gets injured we are in trouble.

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    • I agree to an extent

      Originally posted by killxswitch View Post
      I thought releasing Ed Johnson was a bad idea and this game didn't do anything to change my mind. Dan Muir played well so I can understand wanting him to start. But the depth behind him and Mookie is thin. Eric Foster is smart and does well on passing downs, and Moala will probably eventually be a good player, but right now if one of the starting DTs gets injured we are in trouble.
      I agree with the lack of quality depth. But then, you have to understand the Colts were playing prevent D in the second half since they were up considerably. That is when Jackson's runs happened. If you saw the first half, you can tell how well we played Jackson. We play another run happy team in the 49ers. We will find out more next Sunday.

      Plus, hoarding too many DTs is not going to help much for the special teams' speed since you can only use so many DTs on special teams. Eric Foster has other uses and Moala, with reps, is only going to get better. Moala will never get the reps for him to pan out if Ed was still on the roster. With Muir, I do think we are able to rush the passer better than Ed from the DT position. With Ed, he was a better run stuffer, from what I have seen so far. Muir will pay dividends more against teams like the Texans and Patriots.

      Also, with Moala not there yet and Terrance Taylor busting, I am not excluding the possibility of Polian drafting a DT after trading down to the top of the second next year, just a hunch.

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      • After reviewing some of those plays I agree, Ed wouldn't have made a ton of difference versus Jackson in the 2nd half. The Colts stopped playing the run like they were in the 1st half. The DEs were strictly going for the QB, the LBs were playing back in coverage more, etc. Hagler was more the problem IMO as he didn't adjust and wasn't in his gap. Though there is a chance they were playing nickel in which case I don't think Hagler would be in anyway. I didn't notice, honestly.

        I think between Silva and Francisco one of them could've been cut before Ed. They're both solid on STs but not irreplaceable. And if Antonio Johnson goes down Muir has to be our only NT. Given how good he was playing next to Johnson I don't want to lose that. I still think either they made a bad decision or there was more to it than they're letting out. You demote an underperforming starter. Bench him, inactivate him for a game, etc. You don't just cut him. They didn't even cut Gilbert Gardner in '06.

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        • Well, Chad made a good point regarding having too many DTs on the roster.

          Who'll play on ST coverage unit?

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          • Who plays on STs now? I personally have no idea.

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            • Originally posted by killxswitch View Post
              Who plays on STs now? I personally have no idea.
              I can't be arsed finding the game footage but I have the tackle numbers.

              CB - Jacob Lacey - 4
              FS - Aaron Francisco - 4
              TE - Jacob Tamme - 4
              CB - Tim Jennings - 3
              LB - Ramon Humber - 3
              SS - Jamie Silva - 3
              LB - Philip Wheeler - 2
              LB - Clint Session - 2
              CB - T.J. Rushing - 2
              RB - Chad Simpson - 1
              DE - Keyunta Dawson - 1
              LB - Jordan Senn - 1
              RB - Mike Hart - 1
              LB - Freddy Keiaho - 1
              SS - Melvin Bullitt - 1
              Originally posted by George Carlin

              In Football the object is for the Field General to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the Defence by hitting his Receivers with deadly accuracy, in spite of the Blitz, even if he has to use the Shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy’s Defensive Line.

              In Baseball the object is to go home and be safe.

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              • I like it

                Originally posted by Seamus2602 View Post
                I can't be arsed finding the game footage but I have the tackle numbers.

                CB - Jacob Lacey - 4
                FS - Aaron Francisco - 4
                TE - Jacob Tamme - 4
                CB - Tim Jennings - 3
                LB - Ramon Humber - 3
                SS - Jamie Silva - 3
                LB - Philip Wheeler - 2
                LB - Clint Session - 2
                CB - T.J. Rushing - 2
                RB - Chad Simpson - 1
                DE - Keyunta Dawson - 1
                LB - Jordan Senn - 1
                RB - Mike Hart - 1
                LB - Freddy Keiaho - 1
                SS - Melvin Bullitt - 1
                There is only one D-lineman in it (Dawson) and I'd rather have the solid tackling, hustle and solid coverage over the real big hits a D-lineman like Darrell Reid can provide to a kick returner. Not saying Darrell Reid wasn't good at ST (he was outstanding, on the field and off the field as ST leader). Just saying that we could not afford to have 2 Darrell Reids on STs by any means. Let us not forget Francisco was the ST coverage team leader back in Arizona. I haven't felt this relaxed about our ST kickoff coverage in years.

                Now, if we can get our returners going a little more. I did like Chad Simpson showing some aggression during some of his returns on kickoffs. Maybe he can continue that while protecting the ball. Even if it is the 30 yard line and not the 15-20 yard line that Manning starts, I will take it as long as he protects the ball.

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                • I suppose with all the injuries to the secondary cutting Ed Johnson might've been a move they were partially forced to make. In a more ideal situation the smart move would be to demote him, but I guess they just needed the space for Stover. It'll be interesting to see if they re-sign Ed, especially if any of the DTs get injured or even if there is an injury scare. As we found last year it isn't that easy to just plug in a 300 lb. guy off the street.

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                  • It's Thursday, time to update this thread for week 8.

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                    • Originally posted by killxswitch View Post
                      I suppose with all the injuries to the secondary cutting Ed Johnson might've been a move they were partially forced to make. In a more ideal situation the smart move would be to demote him, but I guess they just needed the space for Stover. It'll be interesting to see if they re-sign Ed, especially if any of the DTs get injured or even if there is an injury scare. As we found last year it isn't that easy to just plug in a 300 lb. guy off the street.
                      I think in the Offseason and the Draft we need to target a really good, dynamic Kick Returner. It would free up 3 Roster spots. If we get a Receiver who is really talented as a Returner then we can cut Baskett, Simpson and Rushing and that gives us more leeway with the 53 man Roster. Currently, for our 5th Wide Receiver, our Kick Returner and our Punt Returner, we use 3 Roster spots out of 53. If we bring in a new, very talented Returner we will then use 1 Roster spot for those 3 positions.
                      Originally posted by George Carlin

                      In Football the object is for the Field General to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the Defence by hitting his Receivers with deadly accuracy, in spite of the Blitz, even if he has to use the Shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy’s Defensive Line.

                      In Baseball the object is to go home and be safe.

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                      • Two candidates for kick returning wideouts I like - Jacoby Ford of Clemson and Jordan Shipley of Texas. Jordan Shipley will fit our system better, I would think.

                        Jacoby Ford may go earlier by the time the combine comes around he may wow them with a 4.3 40. Jordan Shipley, with his production in college, will be preferred by BP, I think, and could be available at the end of the first.

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                        • What's up Colts fans. I'm excited to watch this game. Realistically i don't think we'll win this game but as they say, any given sunday. I'm hoping Alex Smith can give this offense some life after an impressive game against Houston, but we'll see.

                          What do you guys think about this game? Haven't seen any discussion about it so far.

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                          • 49ersfan, the Tampa 2 is relatively weak against 3 things:

                            1) The Run - Tampa 2 is smaller (even though we are getting bigger in Indy) and this allows teams, especially real power run teams, to run the ball really well.
                            2) Play Action - The SS and the MIKE drop deep in coverage on pass plays and come into the box on run plays so Play Action can badly get Tampa 2 teams out of position. The Colts cover this by just blitzing Freeney every play. It makes us more susceptable to runs to the Left Tackle but it stops must Play Action problems.
                            3) The Tight End - There is a small seam where Tampa 2 coverage isn't good. Traditionally, a really good Tight End will be covered by the SS but in the Cover 2 the SS is deep so it puts the Tight End normally in a one on one matchup with either a CB or the SAM.

                            So you could see big games out of Frank Gore and Vernon Davis. I could see Alex Smith having problems. You O-Line has been iffy at best and piss poor at worst. The Colts get a lot of pressure. The Colts also have Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis, probably the two best strip sack artists in the NFL and the 49ers have Alex Smith, a player with real ball security issues.
                            Originally posted by George Carlin

                            In Football the object is for the Field General to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the Defence by hitting his Receivers with deadly accuracy, in spite of the Blitz, even if he has to use the Shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy’s Defensive Line.

                            In Baseball the object is to go home and be safe.

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                            • Something needs to be done about this run-blocking.

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                              • My thoughts on the game.

                                1. SF played nickel and dime all the time challenging us to run knowing that Donald Brown was not going to be there to keep Addai's legs fresh.

                                2. Manning did not take enough checkdowns, went for the deep ball way too often

                                3. Mike Pollak, our RG, had one lousy game and was dominated by the 49ers D-line, and was replaced by DeVan in the second half mostly and our protection improved definitely

                                4. Because our O-line was dominated, Dallas Clark had to be kept back to pass protect instead of running his routes. In the second half, once DeVan was there, DC was roaming, and had more catches

                                5. We missed Anthony Gonzalez

                                P.S: Game ball should go to Pat McAfee, he put our ST and D in good spots so that they could get the job done. Our D was exceptional as well, did you know we are #1 in scoring D (ppg allowed)? Let us hope our D stays this way against the Texans and Pats.

                                Our O-line did better once Kyle DeVan was in the game, and thus DC roaming free allowed Manning to take underneath routes more, that is why we did better in the second half offensively. SF is #6 against the run for a reason, that is why we should give Addai some credit for managing to somewhat carry the entire load despite the O-line getting dominated for at least a half and not getting enough push. Since we were playing from behind, we still had to pass more thus forcing Addai to play more for the pass protection. Addai should get a lot of credit for this game, IMO.

                                It did not help that Manning did not take enough checkdowns, it was an off day but we needed this close game to increase our focus on sharpness in practice before the next divisional match up.
                                Last edited by chad72; 11-02-2009, 10:30 AM.

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