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  • Since he was released I don't think we get any comp picks. Only players lost to free agency result in a pick. I think he was released with the idea of re-signing him to a lesser contract, but he got a good offer from SD.

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    • Peyton Manning is winning the ESPN vote of best quarterback with 44%. Brady is in second with 33% and Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees round out the rest.

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      • Because he's the BEST. I hope his new contract doesn't cripple the team though.

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        • Originally posted by killxswitch View Post
          Because he's the BEST. I hope his new contract doesn't cripple the team though.
          If anything his new contract should help the team (at least this year). Currently Manning is due to get a cap hit of about $23M. That would put the Colts cap at around the $120M mark. By resigning him to a long term deal that number probably drops $7-8M, giving them more room to resign the likes of Addai and Vinatieri.
          Originally posted by George Carlin

          In Football the object is for the Field General to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the Defence by hitting his Receivers with deadly accuracy, in spite of the Blitz, even if he has to use the Shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy’s Defensive Line.

          In Baseball the object is to go home and be safe.

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          • Originally posted by America View Post
            Peyton Manning is winning the ESPN vote of best quarterback with 44%. Brady is in second with 33% and Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees round out the rest.
            I find debates over who the best QB in the league is to be comical. If you ask any knowledgeable person who isn't a pats, saints or GB fan they will tell you Peyton Manning hands down, if you ask the players and coaches themselves, there is nothing scarier than Peyton with the ball in his hands.

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            Originally posted by keylime_5
            Miller is visual sex on the field.

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            • Kind of starting to worry about how the lock out is gunna affect our team...

              We have two rookie tackles coming into the fold and they haven't even been able to take a look at the playbook yet. Considering the number of audibles and protection audibles we use in our offense I am worried this lack of study time may make them ineffective as starters on our team.

              We brought these guys in to help keep Manning upright but if they are blowing protection assignments they wont be of much use. Considering Manning's recent neck surgery, this is a major problem. Also factor in that this teams window may be closing, this lockout could hit the Colts hard, especially if it lasts into training camp.

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              Originally posted by keylime_5
              Miller is visual sex on the field.

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              • SVM, your sig is disgusting but you make good points. Though I am guessing Saturday, Diem, or even Manning himself has been in contact with the new tackles and has given them playbooks and some instruction. That doesn't replace coaching but I don't think they'll get to camp completely unprepared.

                I am more concerned about the DT and SS positions. IMO we need at least one impact free agent at either position, preferably both. At DT we really need a 4-3 NT to rotate with A Johnson. Aubrayo Franklin or Brandon Mebane would be great. At SS we need a guy that can play in the box so Bethea can get back to breaking up passes and causing turnovers instead of doing two jobs at once. But with such a short preseason our options are going to be limited. I was hoping for DeAndre McDaniel as the SS of the future. IMO with a full offseason he would've been the next big Colts undrafted free agent. But with no time and possibly no initial contact made at all, we will probably just see Melvin Bullitt or possibly a high-priced vet.

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                • HAHA the sig is loud and proud

                  I certainly hope that you are right about the players being in contact, and if there is anyone who would almost be as good as being in contact with a coaching staff its Saturday and/or Manning.

                  I agree that the shortened offseason should have an impact on UDFA but it also may have an interesting impact on free agency, especially the part being discussed about teams being aloud to match offers on up to 3 free agents. Might see some interesting "poison pill" clauses

                  ... but in regard to us, I do see us going the seasoned vet route. I think I would love to see Zibikowski if the Ravens let him go. He can play in the box and drop back if needed, and could add something to special teams and also he might not cost as much as some of the other guys out there.

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                  Originally posted by keylime_5
                  Miller is visual sex on the field.

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                  • So does having a little less than $3 mil to play with under the new cap about to be implemented hurt our chances of signing said free agent safety? We still need to sign Manning as well as our rookies. Looks like Addai will most likely have to go (not upset about this, just saying)

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                    Originally posted by keylime_5
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                    • Not so sure I trust any of these numbers. Read somewhere that we'd have about $8M left after signing all FAs worth keeping. Last time there was a cap, it was $129M I believe. At that time, we had Sanders, Lilja, Brock, & Marvin Harrison's dead cap space with us. Since then, only Bethea's gotten a new high-price contract. Not to mention Diem can be released & Hayden could/should be restructured if need be.

                      I realize that contracts fluctuate yearly, but until it happens I'll be under the impression that we can keep the players that are worth keeping and maybe have some wiggle room to bring in some moderately priced FA.

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                      • I'm not believing anything I read about the Colts' cap situation until the CBA is signed and details about the new cap are released. I've read huge variations in cap space for the Colts, from $3M to over $50M.

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                        • Here is where I have the Colts now, estimating what the 2011 Cap hits will be. The Rookie contracts, as well as new contracts, for this year and last year are estimates as I can't find breakdown of new contracts. The hits are $M, with the hits in brackets being those under contract but not counting against the Cap (only the top 53 contracts count against the cap). All told it puts the current cap at $116.72M. This isn't completely accurate but it does say to me that the Colts will have to restructure some deals or cut some players to resign key free agents. As soon as Manning's contract is signed I imagine the number will come down give us some space. Similarly Diem is due $5.4M next season and neither has the skills or the ability to stay healthy to deserve that. Hayden won't be touched this year as he still has about $8.85M of guaranteed money against his cap hit. It means that to cut Hayden would only net a saving of under about half a million dollars.

                          Peyton Manning - QB - $23.00 - Franchised
                          Curtis Painter - QB - $0.50

                          Donald Brown - RB - $1.65
                          Delone Carter - RB - $0.45 - Rookie
                          Javarris James - RB - $0.41
                          Devin Moore - RB - $0.41
                          Joseph Addai - RB - UFA
                          Mike Hart - RB - RFA
                          Dominic Rhodes - RB - UFA

                          Reggie Wayne - WR - $6.19
                          Pierre Garçon - WR - $0.58
                          Austin Collie - WR - $0.59
                          Anthony Gonzalez - WR - $1.50
                          Blair White - WR - $0.41
                          Taj Smith - WR - $0.41
                          Chris Brooks - WR - ($0.3)
                          Kole Heckendorf - WR - ($0.3)

                          Dallas Clark - TE - $7.72
                          Brody Eldridge - TE - $0.45
                          Jacob Tamme - TE - $0.66
                          Rob Myers - TE - ($0.3)
                          Gijon Robinson - TE - RFA
                          Tom Santi - TE - RFA

                          Anthony Castonzo - OT - $1.59 - Rookie
                          Ryan Diem - OT - $5.40
                          Jeff Linkenbach - OT - $0.41
                          Joe Reitz - OT - $0.41
                          Mike Tepper - OT - ($0.3)
                          James Williams - OT - ($0.3)
                          Casey Bender - OT - ($0.3)
                          Michael Toudouze - OT - ERFA

                          Mike Pollak - OG - $0.92
                          Ben Ijalana - OG - $0.88 - Rookie
                          Jacques McClendon - OG - $0.51
                          Jaimie Thomas - OG - $0.41
                          Charlie Johnson - OG - UFA
                          Kyle DeVan - OG - RFA

                          Jeff Saturday - C - $4.88
                          Jamey Richard - C - $0.57

                          Dwight Freeney - DE - $16.13
                          Robert Mathis - DE - $4.35
                          Jerry Hughes - DE - $1.56
                          John Chick - DE - ($0.3)
                          Eric Foster - DE - RFA
                          Keyunta Dawson - DE - UFA

                          Fili Moala - DT - $0.87
                          Ricardo Mathews - DT - $0.42
                          Drake Nevis - DT - $0.52 - Rookie
                          DeMario Pressley - DT - $0.48
                          John Gill - DT - ($0.3)
                          Daniel Muir - DT - UFA
                          Antonio Johnson - DT - UFA

                          Kavell Conner - WLB - $0.42
                          Clint Session - WLB - UFA

                          Gary Brackett - MLB - $4.40
                          Cody Glenn - MLB - $0.48

                          Pat Angerer - SLB - $0.74
                          Philip Wheeler - SLB - $0.64
                          Nate Triplett - SLB - $0.41
                          Tyjuan Hagler - SLB - UFA

                          Jerraud Powers - CB - $0.65
                          Kelvin Hayden - CB - $9.06
                          Justin Tryon - CB - $0.56
                          Jacob Lacey - CB - $0.48
                          Cornelius Brown - CB - $0.41
                          Kevin Thomas - CB - $0.52
                          Chris Rucker - CB - $0.36 - Rookie
                          Terrence Johnson - CB - ($0.3)
                          Jordan Hemby - CB - ($0.3)
                          Mike Richardson - CB - RFA

                          Antoine Bethea - FS - $7.75
                          Chip Vaughn - FS - $0.41
                          Brandon King - FS - $0.41
                          Ken Hamlin - FS - UFA
                          Al Afalava - FS - ERFA

                          Mike Newton - SS - $0.41
                          David Caldwell - SS - $0.41
                          Melvin Bullitt - SS - UFA
                          Aaron Francisco - SS - UFA
                          Jamie Silva - SS - RFA

                          Brett Swenson - K - $0.41
                          Adam Vinatieri - K - UFA

                          Pat McAfee - P - $0.41

                          Justin Snow - LS - $0.94
                          Originally posted by George Carlin

                          In Football the object is for the Field General to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the Defence by hitting his Receivers with deadly accuracy, in spite of the Blitz, even if he has to use the Shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy’s Defensive Line.

                          In Baseball the object is to go home and be safe.

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                          • It's disgusting how overpaid Hayden is. I wonder if the Colts try to restructure his contract. He's made a lot of money sitting on his ass.

                            Diem has to be cut. He's not due any guaranteed money and even if he were getting $1M his on-field performance wouldn't warrant it.

                            Also, I love Freeney, but damn his cap hit is enormous. I hope he is worth it this year. I hope the coaches know how to utilize him and the other players around him. I hope they get a NT that can command more than a single blocker so Freeney is not constantly doubled and tripled.
                            Last edited by killxswitch; 07-21-2011, 08:57 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by Seamus2602 View Post
                              Here is where I have the Colts now, estimating what the 2011 Cap hits will be. The Rookie contracts, as well as new contracts, for this year and last year are estimates as I can't find breakdown of new contracts. The hits are $M, with the hits in brackets being those under contract but not counting against the Cap (only the top 53 contracts count against the cap). All told it puts the current cap at $116.72M. This isn't completely accurate but it does say to me that the Colts will have to restructure some deals or cut some players to resign key free agents. As soon as Manning's contract is signed I imagine the number will come down give us some space. Similarly Diem is due $5.4M next season and neither has the skills or the ability to stay healthy to deserve that. Hayden won't be touched this year as he still has about $8.85M of guaranteed money against his cap hit. It means that to cut Hayden would only net a saving of under about half a million dollars.

                              Peyton Manning - QB - $23.00 - Franchised
                              Curtis Painter - QB - $0.50

                              Donald Brown - RB - $1.65
                              Delone Carter - RB - $0.45 - Rookie
                              Javarris James - RB - $0.41
                              Devin Moore - RB - $0.41
                              Joseph Addai - RB - UFA
                              Mike Hart - RB - RFA
                              Dominic Rhodes - RB - UFA

                              Reggie Wayne - WR - $6.19
                              Pierre Garçon - WR - $0.58
                              Austin Collie - WR - $0.59
                              Anthony Gonzalez - WR - $1.50
                              Blair White - WR - $0.41
                              Taj Smith - WR - $0.41
                              Chris Brooks - WR - ($0.3)
                              Kole Heckendorf - WR - ($0.3)

                              Dallas Clark - TE - $7.72
                              Brody Eldridge - TE - $0.45
                              Jacob Tamme - TE - $0.66
                              Rob Myers - TE - ($0.3)
                              Gijon Robinson - TE - RFA
                              Tom Santi - TE - RFA

                              Anthony Castonzo - OT - $1.59 - Rookie
                              Ryan Diem - OT - $5.40
                              Jeff Linkenbach - OT - $0.41
                              Joe Reitz - OT - $0.41
                              Mike Tepper - OT - ($0.3)
                              James Williams - OT - ($0.3)
                              Casey Bender - OT - ($0.3)
                              Michael Toudouze - OT - ERFA

                              Mike Pollak - OG - $0.92
                              Ben Ijalana - OG - $0.88 - Rookie
                              Jacques McClendon - OG - $0.51
                              Jaimie Thomas - OG - $0.41
                              Charlie Johnson - OG - UFA
                              Kyle DeVan - OG - RFA

                              Jeff Saturday - C - $4.88
                              Jamey Richard - C - $0.57

                              Dwight Freeney - DE - $16.13
                              Robert Mathis - DE - $4.35
                              Jerry Hughes - DE - $1.56
                              John Chick - DE - ($0.3)
                              Eric Foster - DE - RFA
                              Keyunta Dawson - DE - UFA

                              Fili Moala - DT - $0.87
                              Ricardo Mathews - DT - $0.42
                              Drake Nevis - DT - $0.52 - Rookie
                              DeMario Pressley - DT - $0.48
                              John Gill - DT - ($0.3)
                              Daniel Muir - DT - UFA
                              Antonio Johnson - DT - UFA

                              Kavell Conner - WLB - $0.42
                              Clint Session - WLB - UFA

                              Gary Brackett - MLB - $4.40
                              Cody Glenn - MLB - $0.48

                              Pat Angerer - SLB - $0.74
                              Philip Wheeler - SLB - $0.64
                              Nate Triplett - SLB - $0.41
                              Tyjuan Hagler - SLB - UFA

                              Jerraud Powers - CB - $0.65
                              Kelvin Hayden - CB - $9.06
                              Justin Tryon - CB - $0.56
                              Jacob Lacey - CB - $0.48
                              Cornelius Brown - CB - $0.41
                              Kevin Thomas - CB - $0.52
                              Chris Rucker - CB - $0.36 - Rookie
                              Terrence Johnson - CB - ($0.3)
                              Jordan Hemby - CB - ($0.3)
                              Mike Richardson - CB - RFA

                              Antoine Bethea - FS - $7.75
                              Chip Vaughn - FS - $0.41
                              Brandon King - FS - $0.41
                              Ken Hamlin - FS - UFA
                              Al Afalava - FS - ERFA

                              Mike Newton - SS - $0.41
                              David Caldwell - SS - $0.41
                              Melvin Bullitt - SS - UFA
                              Aaron Francisco - SS - UFA
                              Jamie Silva - SS - RFA

                              Brett Swenson - K - $0.41
                              Adam Vinatieri - K - UFA

                              Pat McAfee - P - $0.41

                              Justin Snow - LS - $0.94
                              Isn't there a rule that only the Top 51 contracts count against the cap?


                              The problem arises when people use statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support instead of illumination.

                              If luck is where preparation meets opportunity, then clutch is where failure meets luck.

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                              <Add1ct> but tackling a mosquito might prove a challenge

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                              • Originally posted by killxswitch View Post
                                It's disgusting how overpaid Hayden is. I wonder if the Colts try to restructure his contract. He's made a lot of money sitting on his ass.

                                Diem has to be cut. He's not due any guaranteed money and even if he were getting $1M his on-field performance wouldn't warrant it.

                                Also, I love Freeney, but damn his cap his is enormous. I hope he is worth it this year. I hope the coaches know how to utilize him and the other players around him. I hope they get a NT that can command more than a single blocker so Freeney is not constantly doubled and tripled.
                                If Diem isn't guaranteed anything, that's $5.4 million right there. Get Manning to sign a cap friendly deal and Hayden to restructure and you're in business for free agency.


                                The problem arises when people use statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support instead of illumination.

                                If luck is where preparation meets opportunity, then clutch is where failure meets luck.

                                <Add1ct> setting myself on fire can't be that hard
                                <Add1ct> but tackling a mosquito might prove a challenge

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