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  • #16
    I was going to ask you guys what do you think about Mike Pouncey? Saturday has not looked good and will be 36 years old. Mike Pouncey is grading out almost like his bro who was very good for Pitt this year. Everyone thinks you guys will draft a OT but I think you guys might draft a C.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by bigbuc View Post
      I was going to ask you guys what do you think about Mike Pouncey? Saturday has not looked good and will be 36 years old. Mike Pouncey is grading out almost like his bro who was very good for Pitt this year. Everyone thinks you guys will draft a OT but I think you guys might draft a C.
      As I've mentioned earlier, I think Colts already have a replacement for Saturday on the roster.

      Both of the starting OGs, Pollak and Devan, are natural Centers really. I think both would be better off there. Plus Colts also have Jacques McClendon and Jamey Richard, 2 guys that can play that position as well.

      But Pouncey could project at Guard as well. I'm not against drafting him, but not in the 1st round.

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      • #18
        Mike Pouncey is not his brother. He is not going to play center in the NFL. I would take him at guard in a heartbeat though. Pollak can play center. Saturday is DONE.

        Best draft ever would be Carimi in the 1st and Pouncey in the 2nd.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by killxswitch View Post
          Mike Pouncey is not his brother. He is not going to play center in the NFL. I would take him at guard in a heartbeat though. Pollak can play center. Saturday is DONE.

          Best draft ever would be Carimi in the 1st and Pouncey in the 2nd.
          You're right he's not his brother. But I think you guys are grading out Pouncey a little low. I think he ends up anywhere from 22 to 32.

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          • #20
            Two DTs that intrigue me are Christian Ballard and Drake Nevis.

            Both are athletic UT prospects that I think could excel in our scheme.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by bigbuc View Post
              You're right he's not his brother. But I think you guys are grading out Pouncey a little low. I think he ends up anywhere from 22 to 32.
              I think he will probably go late first or early second. Too many other good players at other positions to select a guard any earlier than that.

              Did any of you hear Polian's radio show tonight? I couldn't take more than a few minutes but that blowhard answered a question about drafting at 22 and the possibility of taking an OT.

              He said if they did take an OT it would be someone that wouldn't play much his first year. He would sit and learn and hopefully contribute in year 2, like Fili Moala. WTF kind of attitude is this? He has no clue who will be available then or what they are capable of. He especially doesn't know since he sucks at drafting OLmen, but even people who are good at it don't know what this or that OLman will be capable of in his first year.

              Why would you punt the first year of a first round pick on principle, without even knowing how good he can or can't be in his rookie year? This guy is seriously a ******* loser and I am sick of his ********. He is wasting Manning's time and our time ******* around with the roster with projects that never see the field (Brown, Hughes, etc) while the OL is garbage for 2+ years. Who would this rookie OT learn from Polian? I don't want him learning **** from the losers that started this year. We don't need impact players 2-3 years from now, we need them NOW.

              Best GM in the game my ass. He lucked into picking Manning in '98 and has ridden that to an undeserved reputation and his lacking talent assessment skills have shown in the last 3-4 drafts. He hasn't had a good first round pick since Addai in '06.

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              • #22

                Indianapolis Colts - Offseason Offensive Needs


                Quarterback: Even as I write this it sounds a bit silly. The biggest need of the Indianapolis Colts this offseason is at Quarterback. Peyton Manning is not under contract in 2011. The team is going to resign him and Quarterback will turn from the biggest need in the history of football to being a minor depth issue. The team could do with upgrading the depth at Quarterback as Curtis Painter is useless. But they wonít, especially as the team has only 6 picks this year and, after resigning Manning and the introduction of a 2011 Salary Cap, probably has only around $6 or $7 Million in cap space after signing draft picks.

                Running Back: The Colts arrive at a bit of a crossroads when it comes to the Running Back position. Currently only Donald Brown, Baby J and Devin Moore are tenured for next season. Joseph Addai, Mike Hart and Dom Rhodes are all Free Agents this Offseason. The major decision will be with the resigning of Joseph Addai. Addai will probably be the 2nd Free Agent Running Back this Offseason, after DeAngelo Williams. Demand will be high for him, especially from passing teams, as he is a Pro Bowler, a Superbowl winner, the top blocking back in the league and one of the top pass catching backs in the league. He will probably command 4-5 years at $20-25 Million. I would question whether or not he is worth it. The major problem is that Donald Brown has been regularly injured and inconsistent. The Colts need to resign or replace two of the three Free Agents. Mike Hart is only a RFA and should be relatively easily resigned. If Addai isnít resigned the Colts need to look at bringing in a later round pick to replace him.

                Wide Receiver: I donít believe Wide Receiver is a major area of need. The Colts had severe injury issues at Receiver this year, a crisis that isnít likely to occur regularly. All six of our tenured Receivers will be back with the team in 2011 and as such there are no immediate needs here. Looking to the future Reggie Wayne, Pierre Garcon and Anthony Gonzalezís contracts are all up at the end of next season. Garcon is due for a huge pay rise, Gonzo canít stay healthy and Reggie wonít be the youngest in the world so the team could look at shoring up the Receiving corps due to the likelihood that at least one and possibly more of those three will leave next season. If one of the elite Receiver prospects drops to the Colts at #22 or one of the better Receivers is still available at #53 I think Polian will definitely consider pulling the trigger.

                Tight End: The team is solid at Tight End. We have our starter, who is amongst the elite Tight Ends in the league, a good young blocking Tight End in Eldridge, while Jacob Tamme has shown that he can be as effective a backup Tight End as any backup in the league. Clarkís return to fitness will also allow Tamme to shore up our pathetic Special Teams unit.

                Offensive Tackle: This is one of the areas of the team that the team needs to be brave and bold about. The team is solid at depth, in my opinion, at Tackle. Linkenbach is never going to be a starter but is an effective swing Tackle, providing depth at both Left and Right Tackle. That is where the good bit ends. Charlie Johnson is in the bottom 10 Left Tackle starters in the League and is also a Free Agent. He is going to want starter money he sure as hell isnít worth it. He needs to be replaced. This, if there is value at #22, should be the Colts first round pick. The second problem is that Ryan Diem has regressed from one of the top Right Tackles in the NFL to being one of the worst starting linemen in the NFL. He is slow, not great against speed rushers, prone to penalties and a liability in run blocking. He is also getting paid a significant amount of money. Right Tackle needs to be upgraded and Ryan Diem needs to be cut.

                Offensive Guard: The Colts are again solid at depth at Guard with Thomas, Richard and McClendon, while Linkenbach can also backup at Guard. The major development will be at starter as well. Mike Pollak has improved this year but I think he is much more suited to Center, a position where the incumbent starter is becoming more a liability than an asset. Even if Saturday is retained at Center, and Pollak at Guard, the Colts could do with a major upgrade over Kyle DeVan.

                Center: Similar to the other positions on the line the depth here is surprisingly good. Both Jamey Richard and Jacques McClendon can backup at Center, as can either of the two current starters at Guard. As with the rest of the line a new starter is needed. Saturday is a major liability. He has regressed somewhat in pass protection and has all but disappeared in run blocking. He was annihilated against the Jets, an even that happens anytime he goes up against a Nose Tackle. He needs to be replaced. The replacement could come from Mike Pollak. If this is the case the team needs to bring in a replacement for Pollak at Guard. If they do retain Pollak at Guard they will need to draft Saturday a new replacement in the earlier rounds of the draft.
                Originally posted by George Carlin

                In Football the object is for the Field General to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the Defence by hitting his Receivers with deadly accuracy, in spite of the Blitz, even if he has to use the Shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which punches holes in the forward wall of the enemyís Defensive Line.

                In Baseball the object is to go home and be safe.

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                • #23
                  Great write-up, Seamus. I will only disagree with drafting a Center in the early rounds.

                  Even if Pollak isn't Saturday's replacement, I think Devan or McClendon could be.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by MaxV View Post
                    Great write-up, Seamus. I will only disagree with drafting a Center in the early rounds.

                    Even if Pollak isn't Saturday's replacement, I think Devan or McClendon could be.
                    I haven't seen enough of McClendon to determine whether or not he can start. If DeVan moves to Center then we are going to need to replace DeVan at Guard. So I think we should definately address the Interior Line in the early rounds if not just Center specifically.
                    Originally posted by George Carlin

                    In Football the object is for the Field General to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the Defence by hitting his Receivers with deadly accuracy, in spite of the Blitz, even if he has to use the Shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which punches holes in the forward wall of the enemyís Defensive Line.

                    In Baseball the object is to go home and be safe.

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                    • #25
                      Great post Seamus. I agree with all of it. I would not mind picking OT at 22 and then trading up into the early 2nd round for a guard like Pouncey or Cannon. I am also intrigued by Ben Ijalana, he may be available mid or late 2nd round. I would like Carimi in the 1st, I've been saying that for months and he's done nothing to change my opinion.

                      Come to think of it Moffitt, the Wisconsin LG, might not be a bad 3rd rounder.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by killxswitch View Post
                        Great post Seamus. I agree with all of it. I would not mind picking OT at 22 and then trading up into the early 2nd round for a guard like Pouncey or Cannon. I am also intrigued by Ben Ijalana, he may be available mid or late 2nd round. I would like Carimi in the 1st, I've been saying that for months and he's done nothing to change my opinion.

                        Come to think of it Moffitt, the Wisconsin LG, might not be a bad 3rd rounder.
                        I have to admit I haven't looked a fierce amount at prospects yet. I'll do that over the next couple of months or so but definately there are options for the team to make in the early rounds. The team could legitametly in my opinion replace 4 of the 5 starters on the Offensive Line. We aren't going to get all of them in the draft so a case could be made for a major Free Agent signing. Looking at the numbers the only way the Colts could do that would be by cutting Diem or Saturday (I personally wouldn't [cheers Max] disagree with cutting both).
                        Last edited by Seamus2602; 01-11-2011, 09:16 AM.
                        Originally posted by George Carlin

                        In Football the object is for the Field General to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the Defence by hitting his Receivers with deadly accuracy, in spite of the Blitz, even if he has to use the Shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which punches holes in the forward wall of the enemyís Defensive Line.

                        In Baseball the object is to go home and be safe.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Seamus2602 View Post
                          I have to admit I haven't looked a fierce amount at prospects yet. I'll do that over the next couple of months or so but definately there are options for the team to make in the early rounds. The team could legitametly in my opinion replace 4 of the 5 starters on the Offensive Line. We aren't going to get all of them in the draft so a case could be made for a major Free Agent signing. Looking at the numbers the only way the Colts could do that would be by cutting Diem or Saturday (I personally would disagree with cutting both).
                          Why? They are both finished. Is their experience really all THAT valuable if they can't block?

                          I mean, I understand that we can't just replace 4 starters with rookies, but if we can find an affordable Free Agent or 2.

                          I wouldn't be against having 2 rookie starters, as long as they are upgrades.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by MaxV View Post
                            Why? They are both finished. Is their experience really all THAT valuable if they can't block?

                            I mean, I understand that we can't just replace 4 starters with rookies, but if we can find an affordable Free Agent or 2.

                            I wouldn't be against having 2 rookie starters, as long as they are upgrades.
                            Its what I get for typing too fast. I have edited it to clear it up.
                            Originally posted by George Carlin

                            In Football the object is for the Field General to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the Defence by hitting his Receivers with deadly accuracy, in spite of the Blitz, even if he has to use the Shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which punches holes in the forward wall of the enemyís Defensive Line.

                            In Baseball the object is to go home and be safe.

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                            • #29
                              The last 2 years (at least) have to have proven that Diem and Saturday are done. They were great at their positions the middle of the last decade but since 2008 their play has slipped. Diem's contract is the biggest of any OLman on the team and he is the worst starter on the whole line. Saturday has just gotten too old and cannot handle strong defensive linemen anymore. Put Pollak at C and a free agent/rookie at RT. Or re-sign C Johnson for a reasonable contract and put him at RT. But both vets need to be let go. There's no room for sentiment on a team that should threaten to win it all every season.

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                              • #30
                                Thats the thing. The year we won the Superbowl we had one of the best lines in football. Glenn - Lilja - Saturday - Scott - Diem. There isn't a single player on the Colts line today who is better than his equivalent in 2006. Saturday is done, Diem is done. I feel that CJ would cost too much to resign. But if we cut Diem and Saturday it would give us the money to sign one of the top Free Agent Linemen like Nicks or Gaither.
                                Originally posted by George Carlin

                                In Football the object is for the Field General to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the Defence by hitting his Receivers with deadly accuracy, in spite of the Blitz, even if he has to use the Shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which punches holes in the forward wall of the enemyís Defensive Line.

                                In Baseball the object is to go home and be safe.

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