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  • #31
    Originally posted by bigbluedefense
    Do you guys think you'll nab Troy Smith this year? Im not ready to declare qb a need just yet, Garrard is still kind of a rookie and he'll go through some growing pains, I think it would be kinda unfair to give up on the kid quickly.

    But the idea of having Smith is intriguing. I personally feel he's very underrated, and if he's available, it will be interesting to see if you guys try to nab him.
    Hmm...I dunno. It's an interesting idea. First, one of the QBs would have to be traded, and I have my doubt that the Jags FO does that.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by bigbluedefense
      Do you guys think you'll nab Troy Smith this year? Im not ready to declare qb a need just yet, Garrard is still kind of a rookie and he'll go through some growing pains, I think it would be kinda unfair to give up on the kid quickly.

      But the idea of having Smith is intriguing. I personally feel he's very underrated, and if he's available, it will be interesting to see if you guys try to nab him.
      I don't think it's out of the question at all. And I don't know if you can really say Garrard should be going through rookie-like growing pains. He's in his fifth year in the league. He's been in the same system for four years now. Like I said earlier in the thread, he was making these kind of mistakes last year. He's thrown numerous balls right into the hands of DBs, except that now they're actually picking them off.

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      • #33
        would you guys do this

        you get 33 pick overall

        for byron leftwich
        and 5 th round pick

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        • #34
          Originally posted by jets future
          would you guys do this

          you get 33 pick overall

          for byron leftwich
          and 5 th round pick
          Yes.

          I think Byron has first round talent, but his injuries will scare other teams off. If we can get an early second rounder for Byron, then I'd do it. But I don't see any other team offering anything less than a third rounder for him at this point.

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          • #35
            I think we can go after Troy Smith

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            • #36
              I would no longer be a Jaguar fan if we drafted Troy Smith. I would denounce my religion!

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              • #37
                Originally posted by jag
                I would no longer be a Jaguar fan if we drafted Troy Smith. I would denounce my religion!
                Kavorka...

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                • #38
                  What do you all think about a positional change for Brian Williams from CB to FS? His play has been real spotty this year as has his tackling and while he is playing solidly on man coverages, he is easily fooled and doesnt have the recovery speed to make up for it. Besides, he played FS in college and definately has the skillset to play the same in the pros.

                  I saw a mock draft suggesting we take Marcus McCauley, and for some reason, I have a feeling that he will be the BAP when we pick. He certainly is a natural talent and by drafting him, and moving BW to safety, not only will we be upgrading out CB's, but our set of safety's as well.

                  If it works out as planned, we could easily be the best defense on paper next season with just one pick spent. For the record, I dont forsee any of the top 3 safetys falling to us (Landy, Nelson or Griffin)

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by nshelat1
                    What do you all think about a positional change for Brian Williams from CB to FS? His play has been real spotty this year as has his tackling and while he is playing solidly on man coverages, he is easily fooled and doesnt have the recovery speed to make up for it. Besides, he played FS in college and definately has the skillset to play the same in the pros.

                    I saw a mock draft suggesting we take Marcus McCauley, and for some reason, I have a feeling that he will be the BAP when we pick. He certainly is a natural talent and by drafting him, and moving BW to safety, not only will we be upgrading out CB's, but our set of safety's as well.

                    If it works out as planned, we could easily be the best defense on paper next season with just one pick spent. For the record, I dont forsee any of the top 3 safetys falling to us (Landy, Nelson or Griffin)
                    I don't know what you're talking about. Brian has had a good year.

                    I like the pick of safety because of what it offers for the Jaguars in the future with regards to Grant and Darius.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by The Unseen
                      Originally posted by nshelat1
                      What do you all think about a positional change for Brian Williams from CB to FS? His play has been real spotty this year as has his tackling and while he is playing solidly on man coverages, he is easily fooled and doesnt have the recovery speed to make up for it. Besides, he played FS in college and definately has the skillset to play the same in the pros.

                      I saw a mock draft suggesting we take Marcus McCauley, and for some reason, I have a feeling that he will be the BAP when we pick. He certainly is a natural talent and by drafting him, and moving BW to safety, not only will we be upgrading out CB's, but our set of safety's as well.

                      If it works out as planned, we could easily be the best defense on paper next season with just one pick spent. For the record, I dont forsee any of the top 3 safetys falling to us (Landy, Nelson or Griffin)
                      I don't know what you're talking about. Brian has had a good year.

                      I like the pick of safety because of what it offers for the Jaguars in the future with regards to Grant and Darius.
                      Maybe that came out wrong. What I meant was he has played fine all year and is exactly what we thought he would be but that still doesnt change the fact that our secondary would be vastly improved with McCauley opposite of Mathis and BWill at FS. Williams is a very spotty tackler for starters and is easily fooled on simple moves.

                      But I might be a little harsh on the guy. Once we get our pass-rush back, just imagine what opposing recievers will be in for. :twisted:

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by nshelat1
                        Originally posted by The Unseen
                        Originally posted by nshelat1
                        What do you all think about a positional change for Brian Williams from CB to FS? His play has been real spotty this year as has his tackling and while he is playing solidly on man coverages, he is easily fooled and doesnt have the recovery speed to make up for it. Besides, he played FS in college and definately has the skillset to play the same in the pros.

                        I saw a mock draft suggesting we take Marcus McCauley, and for some reason, I have a feeling that he will be the BAP when we pick. He certainly is a natural talent and by drafting him, and moving BW to safety, not only will we be upgrading out CB's, but our set of safety's as well.

                        If it works out as planned, we could easily be the best defense on paper next season with just one pick spent. For the record, I dont forsee any of the top 3 safetys falling to us (Landy, Nelson or Griffin)
                        I don't know what you're talking about. Brian has had a good year.

                        I like the pick of safety because of what it offers for the Jaguars in the future with regards to Grant and Darius.
                        Maybe that came out wrong. What I meant was he has played fine all year and is exactly what we thought he would be but that still doesnt change the fact that our secondary would be vastly improved with McCauley opposite of Mathis and BWill at FS. Williams is a very spotty tackler for starters and is easily fooled on simple moves.

                        But I might be a little harsh on the guy. Once we get our pass-rush back, just imagine what opposing recievers will be in for. :twisted:
                        meh...I really don't like McCauley as a prospect. The dude got benched because of bad play and how he was acting like he was so great that he was a shoe-in NFL prospect. He might have nice measurables, but I don't get ga-ga over 40 times like some people do.

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                        • #42
                          I don't see the Jags taking a QB in the first round, maybe third. The Jags will probably take defense early either DE or Safety.

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                          • #43
                            I think Brian Williams is fine at CB, and moving him to FS would be no better than having Deon Grant back there. I too am not a fan of McClauly, so I defenitly don't like that pick. Unless we trade away Lefty, and Garrard doesn't look too well in these last 2 games. I don't see us drafting QB round 1. What I would like is (pending Garrards play) Trade Leftwich for a secound round pick, and use it too trade up for Laron Landry.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by jag
                              I think Brian Williams is fine at CB, and moving him to FS would be no better than having Deon Grant back there. I too am not a fan of McClauly, so I defenitly don't like that pick. Unless we trade away Lefty, and Garrard doesn't look too well in these last 2 games. I don't see us drafting QB round 1. What I would like is (pending Garrards play) Trade Leftwich for a secound round pick, and use it too trade up for Laron Landry.
                              Well see the problem with this is that this scenario is far more unlikely to occur. The jags highly value their later picks, as we've gotten amazing value out of them for the past few years. Unfortunately, we wont fork enough over to puruse landry, who by all rights, is one of the best safetys to come out in recent years. Nelson also has seen his stock soar quite a bit and perhaps more come combine time.

                              We should really pray to some divine force that we are able to get michael griffin, who is an absolute playmaker and will be a force on special teams as well. But even he would be hard to get at this point, as several teams picking before us (namely SFO, Philly and Atlanta) have pressing needs for a safety.

                              Honestly, I do believe that a DE and/or WLB is just as important a cog to our defense as is a DB but truthfully if all the safetys are off the board, our options would probably be a handfull of WLB's, Victor Abiamiri, or any CB that falls to us. In that scenario, (if McCauley were avalible) he is the BAP whether you like him or not.

                              His play this year hasnt been what it should be for a top flight corner, but his measurables will make him very intriguing. Im not even sure he'll be around at our pick if he does well at the combine.

                              We truly are in a tough draft slot this year.

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                              • #45
                                The thing is, were not in a tough spot. We're in a really good spot. We have no pressing needs, and are going to be free to take BPA. And I really don't think WOLB is a big need either, Griesen has played well, and when Mike Peterson returns from injury he will likely make the transisition to WOLB which is a much more natural position to him.

                                So as of now I see our needs looking like this.

                                FS
                                DE
                                CB(minor)

                                After that it's really a crapshoot because our team is still very young, and we have invested high draft picks in most of our weaker spots. And if those players devlope as expected we're going to be solid.

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