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  • Originally posted by nepg View Post
    I'm not arguing that they'd take Luck if they had the #1 pick, but they're not going to have the #1 pick because they're not nearly as bad as the scores they've put up the first two games.

    Cassel didn't do anything to show he isn't a starting QB today. Week 1...everyone sucked. Week 2 I'm pinning on the offensive coaching almost entirely (granted...injuries help).
    Three picks and a fumble don't show you someone isn't a starting caliber QB?

    I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one, but I'll leave you with this: sometimes it isn't JUST on the coaches and players have to take accountability too. That is where we are right now. Stop blaming it just on the offensive game plan.
    Last edited by vidae; 09-19-2011, 11:22 AM.

    Originally posted by fenikz
    His soft D really turns me off
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    • Two of the picks were on the receivers and would have been great throws if they made the play they were supposed to make. The other was in garbage time.

      I'm not totally blaming the coaches. I'm also blaming the lack of talent at wr. They don't make up for any mistakes.

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      • You are also blaming everyone but Cassel and refuse to see any of his flaws.

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        • Cassels biggest problem is he isn't progressing anymore, last year was good, but he never did it against qulity defenses, this year you can still see his problems. He still doesn't understand the pocket, he never steps up into it to throw, he doesn't lead his receivers, the ball is usually behind them, too high, too low, he under throws A LOT of them, I don't know how many times I've counted where Bowe is running downfield, and has to stop and come back to the ball when it should hit him in stride. He also still has BIG problem going through his progressions, as everyone knows he usually pick one receiver(Bowe) and locks on to him and tries to force it to him, or eventually dump it off to a RB, FB or TE in the flat that goes no where, or secret option #3, run around for awhile and eventually get sacked.

          At this point, Cassel is what he is, a top back up QB, thats it, he shouldn't be starting mulptiple seasons in a row, or it means your team is in trouble, he definitley has the leadership, and passion, and you can tell he wants to be great, but he just isn't.

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          • I also just wanted to state I don't think this season is all on Cassel, but I do feel a big part of it is him, our defense can't hold the other team when they have to keep coming back out onto the field and the other team has the ball within their own 30.

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            • Originally posted by Splat View Post
              You are also blaming everyone but Cassel and refuse to see any of his flaws.
              He tends to hold onto the ball too long at times, and isn't the most consistently accurate QB. Those are his flaws. Holding onto the ball is a bit of a product of his first instinct of protecting it.

              There's not much to blame on Cassel, though. His receivers don't get open because they're not good enough, they don't make up for any minor mistakes Cassel makes with his throws, the offense isn't designed to get them open, and the only player he can rely on to make a play on a ball is Bowe - who seems to have regressed again.

              I'll put some of this on Pioli because he should have done more to get a lot more talent in the receiving and TE positions. I'm not going to bother hammering Bowe over the interception that was his fault because **** happens and it was a tough ball. I could get on Urban over the ball he should have gone up and caught, but he just isn't that talented. The rest of the onus is on Haley for doing a terrible job managing his coaching staff. In his defense, he brought in Zorn (great move) after he'd already crowned Muir... But he shouldn't have worried about undermining Muir by giving Zorn playcalling duties and more control over the offense.

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              • Even though I am a Raiders fan, I do feel bad for your guys. Losing 2 young promising players to ACL injuries that were self inflicted is horrible to see. It will be interesting to see though if you guys do end up with a top 5 pick. Luck/Barkley should be in play because Cassel just hasn't looked that good


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                • Whether you want to believe it or not, Cassel is our problem offensively. I'm not saying that the playcalling has been great, but at the end of the day you have to go out there and execute and Cassel can't do that.

                  If I ever saw Cassel go through his progressions and hit his second read I think I'd die of shock.

                  Either way, we're not going to win anything substantial with Cassel as the QB going forward, so we need to either a) draft Luck (or another QB) early in this draft or b) move up to secure one of them.

                  Haley is probably done in KC, but I hope to hell Pioli hires a coach with some swagger, and not "one of this guys" from NE. They're failures as head coaches. We need someone legit, and it isn't McDaniels or Mangini.

                  Originally posted by fenikz
                  His soft D really turns me off
                  ** RIP themaninblack. You will be missed. **

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                  • Originally posted by RaiderNation View Post
                    Even though I am a Raiders fan, I do feel bad for your guys. Losing 2 young promising players to ACL injuries that were self inflicted is horrible to see. It will be interesting to see though if you guys do end up with a top 5 pick. Luck/Barkley should be in play because Cassel just hasn't looked that good
                    I like you, even though you're a Raiders fan, so thank you for the love. And yeah, if we're picking top 5 there will be a new QB in Kansas City. I can't envision a scenario where we'd pass on Luck or Barkley (or hell, maybe even Landry Jones) if they're available.

                    Here is to hoping we're #1 overall pick bad so we can secure Luck!

                    Originally posted by fenikz
                    His soft D really turns me off
                    ** RIP themaninblack. You will be missed. **

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                    • I don't get throwing Cassel under the bus like that when the talent at receiver hasn't changed much since 2009. 99% of Chiefs fans are letting their emotions run wild and losing objectivity. I want to see what they do with Baldwin in the picture. This was supposed to be an explosive offense, but got derailed by Baldwin's injury and Moeaki's injury. Losing Jamaal Charles sucks because he's always a threat when he touches the ball and defenses have to account for him, but the Chiefs are still pretty strong at RB.

                      Heck, I'll even stop being so harsh towards the offensive coaching until we see what they do with Baldwin back.

                      Hopefully they can make a game of it against San Diego. They have a couple things going for them in that they got to see SD's offense against New England's defense, which has changed, but still shares a lot of the philosophies with what the Chiefs do on that side of the ball. On offense, I'm interested to see what Haley does to change the direction. I want to see them spread SD's defense out with all their ****** receivers and try to make something happen. Line Bowe up inside and take advantage of his size and the mismatch he creates up the middle of the field to open things up underneath in the flats for Breaston and McCluster.

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                      • At the end of the day I don't trust Cassel to win a game for the Chiefs it's that simple. He can mange a game and at times not lose it for them but he can't put the team on his shoulder and win.

                        It's nothing against him personally. I think he is a great guy and teammate and it dam sure isn't a lack of effort it just is what it is.

                        Great QB's make players around them better.

                        Brady,Brees and Rodgers lose weapons all the time and don't miss a freaking beat.

                        Maybe I'm expecting to much from Cassel but if the Chiefs ever want to be more then middle of the pack they need a elite QB.
                        Last edited by Splat; 09-19-2011, 05:05 PM.

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                        • That's just it.. Cassel can't win games. If we have a lead he can not lose them, but he's never going to win us a game.

                          He will never be elite no matter what he does, that's just who he is. He's above average with a very good team around him, and he's below average on a struggling team. Right now we're the latter.

                          To make serious strides in this league we need to draft and develop our own QB. That is how it works. Look at the teams that are constantly reaching the playoffs and contending for titles.. they either have the best defense of all time or they have a QB that they've developed themselves.

                          Until we do that we're going to be in the lower half of the league.

                          Originally posted by fenikz
                          His soft D really turns me off
                          ** RIP themaninblack. You will be missed. **

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                          • I would also like to add I'm in no way giving Haley a pass either he is just as much to blame as Cassel.

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                            • Haley is gone after this year if the rumored rift between him and Pioli is true. I just hope Pioli has more sense in his head than to hire Mangini or McDaniels to run this franchise.

                              Originally posted by fenikz
                              His soft D really turns me off
                              ** RIP themaninblack. You will be missed. **

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                              • I find it hard to believe you think the WRs are so bad that more blame falls on them then Cassel, look at the past receivers we have had, Trent Green had Eddie Kennison, TG and that was it, Cassel has way more weapons, you'd think he could figure out how to use them, Green and Cassel I think aren't to different talent wise, but Green actually improved and figured things out.
                                Like has been said and I think most people will agree, Cassel just isn't elite, and in this league you need an elite QB if you want to be consistent, he is a GREAT back up, and its not lack of effort or leadership or anything like that, he just has limited talent.
                                At this point, I kinda want us to get another Top 5 pick, and finish the rebuilding process with our own Manning, Brady, Brees, its the only position over the last how many years we've never really invested a top pick in.

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