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  • Last year any time a team stopped the Chiefs running game they lost. That is because our game managing QB can't win games.

    When forced to pass he crumples under the pressure every time.

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    • Originally posted by Splat View Post
      Last year any time a team stopped the Chiefs running game they lost. That is because our game managing QB can't win games.

      When forced to pass he crumples under the pressure every time.
      Eh... When they took away the run, all they had to do was take away Bowe (really not that hard) and there was NO ONE ELSE to throw to. I don't think you guys can grasp how much worse the Chiefs' receivers are compared to every other team in the NFL.

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      • It really doesn't matter who the other WR's are since Cassel isn't going to look their way.

        Gee Bowe isn't open? Do I force the ball to him any ways or take the sack? I'll just under throw him by 20 yards and make him come back to the ball and hope for the best.

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        • Splay is right heh.. if Bowe is covered and our run game was shut down, HE shut down.. and Moeaki was a good weapon for him last year and he still didn't look for his second read.

          You're blaming everyone BUT Cassel.. so far it's play calling or lack of WR depth or lack of the run game, but it's never Cassel. That is ridiculous.

          Originally posted by fenikz
          His soft D really turns me off
          ** RIP themaninblack. You will be missed. **

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          • Originally posted by vidae View Post
            Splay is right heh.. if Bowe is covered and our run game was shut down, HE shut down.. and Moeaki was a good weapon for him last year and he still didn't look for his second read.

            You're blaming everyone BUT Cassel.. so far it's play calling or lack of WR depth or lack of the run game, but it's never Cassel. That is ridiculous.
            Yeah. I'm blaming those two things before Cassel. Because WR depth is an obvious issue, and if it isn't that bad then playcalling should get them open, which it doesn't.

            Moeaki's nice, but he's easily covered, too. It's not like teams ever had to worry about anyone besides Bowe (corner and a safety), and then Moeaki was easily taken away as well (he's a really nice TE, but he's not out-running linebackers - certainly not safeties).

            The guys at the end of the bench at WR & TE for 50% of the NFL would be starting for the Chiefs. And the receivers and level of talent at the position hasn't changed since 2009. They are THAT bad. Jerame Urban and Terrance Copper? That's terrible. Those are guys you might have as the very last player on your WR depth chart - maybe. That's the Chiefs 2nd and 4th options right now. No QB in the NFL is going anywhere with that group. Not Tom Brady, not Peyton Manning, not Aaron Rodgers, not Drew Brees...

            Breaston has been a disappointment. Maybe he comes around when Baldwin gets on the field and the Chiefs are able to take the top off the defense with two serious downfield threats... That's really what I'm waiting to see.

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            • How do you take the top off of a defense when you're QB can't throw deep?

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              • Good QBs make the players around them better and all you've done is make excuses for Cassel. He is not good. Period. End of story.

                And they might open up the playbook if they had any faith at all that Cassel could get the job done. He can't.

                You're just wrong here. Cassel deserves some of the blame and you're willing to overlook his bad decision making and his penchant for holding onto the ball all god damn day for.. what? What reason? Are you Scott Pioli?

                Originally posted by fenikz
                His soft D really turns me off
                ** RIP themaninblack. You will be missed. **

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                • Cassel put up pretty decent numbers last year with a worse supporting cast, so what is wrong with him this year, you would hope he gets better from season to season, and I question weather he was that good last year, because he really only played well against bad defenses, and once Weis said he was leaving he fell off a cliff.

                  The only way Cassel will be good, is to be around Weis or another offensive genius, or have a ridiculously talented team, like the Patriots, and did he even take them to the playoffs?

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                  • I thought they had a decent group starting, but always listed the depth at WR and TE as a huge issue, and it's showing. The starting group would be really nice if they were out there. Baldwin, Breaston, Moeaki, Bowe, with Pope and McCluster as an extra TE or slot... That's a solid group because you have 3 guys that open up the offense. With Baldwin and Moeaki out, they really don't have much to work with. Pope, McCluster, and apparently Breaston were all supposed to benefit from having Baldwin, Bowe, and Moeaki out there taking defenders away from little pockets on the field...

                    There's not much I can pin on Cassel here. He holds onto the ball giving his guys a chance to get open (sometimes it is just him flat-out making a bad play, but not usually). He's working with garbage, and if he made the "right" decision with the ball quickly every time, 90% of the pass plays would be thrown out of bounds.

                    I'm not really sure who's making the call between Pioli and Haley on the receivers they have - I tend to believe Pioli gives more power to Haley in that realm, but I have no idea... But whoever is in charge of that has really ****** up the last 3 years.

                    Guys aren't getting open and when Cassel gets the ball to them anyway, they don't catch it. You can't do much with that, as a QB. Especially without OTAs and training camp.

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                    • Originally posted by chief_fan88 View Post
                      Cassel put up pretty decent numbers last year with a worse supporting cast, so what is wrong with him this year, you would hope he gets better from season to season, and I question weather he was that good last year, because he really only played well against bad defenses, and once Weis said he was leaving he fell off a cliff.

                      The only way Cassel will be good, is to be around Weis or another offensive genius, or have a ridiculously talented team, like the Patriots, and did he even take them to the playoffs?
                      Without Moeaki, the cast is a bit worse so far this year. With Baldwin, it should get to where it's much better because I'm thinking Breaston will become useful at that point.

                      The Pats were an 11-win team with Cassel...
                      Last edited by nepg; 09-22-2011, 05:26 PM.

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                      • Chiefs worked out RBs Jalen Parmele, Dimitri Nance, Sammy Morris and Chris Jennings on Thursday.

                        They also gave FB Mike Cox a second look.

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                        • Cassel will be a good QB with an insane supporting cast and a top flight offensive coordinator calling the plays to mask his weaknesses.

                          We have neither.

                          Last year we played some dogshit defenses and he was able to do something against those guys with a team that was relatively injury free, but when we have injuries to starting offensive weapons who are expected to help, he can't get it done.

                          It is that simple.

                          Originally posted by fenikz
                          His soft D really turns me off
                          ** RIP themaninblack. You will be missed. **

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                          • Originally posted by nepg View Post
                            Without Moeaki, the cast is a bit worse so far this year. With Baldwin, it should get to where it's much better because I'm thinking Breaston will become useful at that point.

                            The Pats were an 11-win team with Cassel...
                            These are the f'ing Patriots dude! They have more depth and better weapons across the board, on both sides of the ball. Not to mention better coaching in every position group.

                            You can't keep hanging on this.

                            Originally posted by fenikz
                            His soft D really turns me off
                            ** RIP themaninblack. You will be missed. **

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                            • Originally posted by vidae View Post
                              These are the f'ing Patriots dude! They have more depth and better weapons across the board, on both sides of the ball. Not to mention better coaching in every position group.

                              You can't keep hanging on this.
                              I can't keep hanging on what? Someone asked if the Pats made the playoffs that year, so I stated a fact.

                              When the Chiefs lose offensive weapons that are expected to contribute, they're left with nothing in the wake of their injuries. Nothing.

                              The Pats had Moss and Welker that year. Debatable how much of a difference there is between Moss at that point and Bowe now and Breaston doesn't create for himself like Welker does, but the rest of the receivers on that team? Sam Aiken, Jabar Gaffney (starter), Kelley Washington (only played special teams). Just shows exactly how little the Chiefs have there right now. New England really didn't have that much that year...hell, their leading rusher was Sammy Morris with 727 yards.

                              Let's get Jonathan Baldwin in the mix, spread the field and see how the offense goes and how the team functions with all three supposed starters.

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                              • Everytime I see highlights of the Chiefs/Lions game, Kendrick Lewis is getting toasted. Well it looks like the corners were having trouble, but still what the ****.

                                At least Dex will ball out now and you still have Powe and Darryl Harris. Represent.

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