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  • An ILB #1 overall? When our QBs are Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn? Right.

    Originally posted by fenikz
    His soft D really turns me off
    ** RIP themaninblack. You will be missed. **

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    • Originally posted by vidae View Post
      An ILB #1 overall? When our QBs are Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn? Right.
      his reasoning for that is he feels none of the QB's are worthy of being a #1 overall pick.McShay agreed calling us snakebitten which I agree.Of all the years to suck for a QB..wrong one

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      • Originally posted by T-RICH49 View Post
        his reasoning for that is he feels none of the QB's are worthy of being a #1 overall pick.McShay agreed calling us snakebitten which I agree.Of all the years to suck for a QB..wrong one
        We all agree, but even if we go that way there are several other prospects that are more positionally valuable than an ILB (Joekel, Hankins/Lotulelei) that I would much rather the Chiefs go after should they choose to skip on a QB.

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        • If we skip on a QB then I have no faith in this franchise to ever turn it around. Ever. And I mean that. Three decades is too long to neglect the most important position in football.

          Originally posted by fenikz
          His soft D really turns me off
          ** RIP themaninblack. You will be missed. **

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          • Originally posted by villagewarrior View Post
            We all agree, but even if we go that way there are several other prospects that are more positionally valuable than an ILB (Joekel, Hankins/Lotulelei) that I would much rather the Chiefs go after should they choose to skip on a QB.
            It seems to me that "positional value" is what got us Tyson Jackson. Not that it really matters, there isn't a GM in the world who would pass on a QB given our situation at the position. Besides, QBs have a way of sneaking up on draft gurus. Dan Marino, 27th overall & 6th QB taken, Drew Brees, 2nd round, Joe Montana, 3rd round, Tom Brady, 6th round (I hope Pioli isn't waiting for lightning to strike again with a pick like that), and of course, Johnny Unitas, undrafted.

            I have a great deal of respect for Kiper and McShay but the fact that the experts don't see a QB worthy of an early 1st round pick doesn't bother me at all. Go ahead, take one!
            Last edited by TheMatriculator; 11-16-2012, 03:00 PM. Reason: typo

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            • Also the first pick in the draft isn't going to make 70 million any more. You can now take a player higher you might not have a few years ago.

              I will be the first to say this QB draft class doesn't really do much for me, but that doesn't mean I still don't want one.

              I don't think there is a "superstar" at QB in this draft, but I think we should be able to get a legit starter.
              Last edited by Splat; 11-16-2012, 12:07 PM.

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              • Originally posted by TheMatriculator View Post
                It seems to me that "positional value" is what got us Tyson Jackson. Not that it really matters, there isn't a GM in the world who would pass on a QB given our situation at the position. Besides, QBs have a way of sneaking up on draft gurus. Dan Marino, 27th overall & 6th QB taken, Drew Brees, 2nd round, Joe Montana, 3rd round, Tom Brady, 6th round (I hope Pioli isn't waiting for lightning to strike again with a pick like that), and of course, Johnny Unitas, undrafted.

                I have a great deal of respect for Kiper and McShay but the fact that the experts don't see a QB worthy of an early 1st round pick doesn't both me at all. Go ahead, take one!
                No, Tyson Jackson was a reach. I'm talking about Joekel or Hankins playing more valuable positions than Te'o does, while being at least equal prospects in my eyes. But I digress...

                I really just wanted to point out that my whole statement was predicated on who I wanted the Chiefs to take if they did not take a quarterback. I still think QB absolutely should be the pick - Tyler Wilson - and let the pieces fall where they may.

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                • http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/n...er-with-chiefs

                  Dwayne Bowe insists he didn't want out of Kansas City at the trade deadline, and says he wants to finish his career with the Chiefs.

                  "Why wouldn’t I want to stay here? It’s a no-brainer for me," Bowe said, who became "emphatic" at the topic. "I never said I didn’t want to be here.

                  This is where it started for me. This is where people know me from. That’s crazy to me." Yahoo Sports reported Bowe "very badly" wanted out of Kansas City, but he never publicly commented on the situation. Despite what Bowe says now, whether he's back for a seventh season in 2013 will depend in large part on what kind of front-office housecleaning is conducted. It's hard to see him returning if GM Scott Pioli is retained. The Kansas City Star considers him "unlikely" to re-sign.
                  Just ******* pay him.

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                  • Originally posted by villagewarrior View Post
                    No, Tyson Jackson was a reach. I'm talking about Joekel or Hankins playing more valuable positions than Te'o does, while being at least equal prospects in my eyes. But I digress...

                    I really just wanted to point out that my whole statement was predicated on who I wanted the Chiefs to take if they did not take a quarterback. I still think QB absolutely should be the pick - Tyler Wilson - and let the pieces fall where they may.
                    I don't see how Jackson is a reach. First, he is a DE, a position of value. Second, I pulled out Kiper's big book from 2009 and while he ranks him 4th among DEs, he also says "With his size and athleticism, he's the perfect 3-4 DE." Perfect doesn't sound like a reach to me. Remember, 2009 wasn't a very good draft.

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                    • Originally posted by TheMatriculator View Post
                      I don't see how Jackson is a reach. First, he is a DE, a position of value. Second, I pulled out Kiper's big book from 2009 and while he ranks him 4th among DEs, he also says "With his size and athleticism, he's the perfect 3-4 DE." Perfect doesn't sound like a reach to me. Remember, 2009 wasn't a very good draft.
                      2009 was terrible, but nobody, anywhere, had Tyson Jackson going 3rd overall. Nobody. They could've gone with Raji, as nose is a much more important position for a 34. They could have tried a QB like Sanchez or Freeman just to give QB a try. Then there were tons of receivers that year that have been real good. And then between Cushing, Orakpo and Matthews (or Everette Brown as I mistakenly wanted) there were plenty of pass rushers. Raji was my guy. The Chiefs could have had him at 3. Jackson was a reach.

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                      • Jackson WAS a reach but I understand why it happened. I didn't love the pick at the time, but I could at least understand the thought behind it.

                        That said, it was still an awful pick and I'd be surprised if he was back with this team next year.

                        And to touch on a few things from the last couple of posts:

                        Yes, pay Bowe.

                        I disagree about the QB thing, I think Tyler Wilson or Geno Smith could be elite, but everyone does this after a huge QB year. When you look at the QBs drafted LAST year, no one from this year looks good.. but Luck and RG3 are historically good prospects. That's all. This QB draft isn't bad at all, it just isn't as good as last year, and that would be hard to accomplish.

                        Give me Tyler Wilson or Geno and I'll be happy at the end of the day.

                        Originally posted by fenikz
                        His soft D really turns me off
                        ** RIP themaninblack. You will be missed. **

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                        • http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-infractions/

                          Tamba Hali, Justin Houston fined for Monday Night infractions.

                          Hali and Houston, who were both in on the sack that knocked Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger out of the game and out of this week‘«÷s game with shoulder and rib injuries, have each been fined by the league. Hali was fined $25,000 for hitting Roethlisberger‘«÷s backup Byron Leftwich with his helmet in the fourth quarter. Hali was flagged for roughing the passer on the play, which helped move the Steelers close enough to take a 13-10 lead with a Shaun Suisham field goal.

                          Houston picked up a smaller fine for his starring role in a Chiefs group touchdown celebration in the third quarter. Houston recovered what was ruled a fumble on the field and returned it for a touchdown before celebrating with the rest of the Chiefs defense. The team was penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct and Houston has now received a $7,875 fine for the transgression.

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                          • Jags are awful so not going to get to excited but I'm loving this D especially Dontari Poe and Justin Houston.

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                            • Originally posted by Splat View Post
                              Jags are awful so not going to get to excited but I'm loving this D especially Dontari Poe and Justin Houston.
                              I'm going to avoid being pessimistic for this week. I could of easily seen them choking this game away, as they almost always play bad in the state of Florida.

                              They won and dominated a bad team they should of, for once. That's a step in the right direction.
                              Currently on IR: Rip 2011 Jamaal Charles :(

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                              • Originally posted by villagewarrior
                                Agreed, and on all your points. I will say, Fisher needs to be better. The difference between right and left tackle and right and left guard is negligible. The technique remains the same, and he needs to be better. I think a big issue from him is strength, we see him get pushed around. We saw that in the Raiders game against Sio Moore (a fellow rookie). I think a year in a professional strength program will do him good. The feet are there, for the most part. I think strength is the biggest problem.

                                Upgrading WR should be a top top priority. Speed would be nice but not necessarily as important as a guy that runs good routes. Add speed to route running and he could work wonders. Tight end is a big need as well, the Bearded One is a nice find but I believe he could be easily upgraded over.

                                Running back could be an issue as well. Jamaal Charles is easily the best player on offense, but with one surgically repaired knee and his workload the Chiefs need to be prepared for life without him. Knile Davis I have hopes for, but I don't see a lot of shiftiness out of him and he still puts the ball on the ground. Call me crazy, but I get kind of excited thinking about Lache Seastrunk taking over for Jamaal someday.

                                Without knowing about Tyler Bray, the Chiefs need to continue to think long term about the quarterback. Hopefully, the Chiefs will be picking 32 and all the best QBs will be gone, so I don't know how to address that. But they should be looking.

                                I agree. WR HAS to be a high priority next offseason. Jamal Charles, right now, IS the Chiefs' offense. But the Chiefs need to add playmakers on the perimeter on this offense because there is almost nothing outside of Bowe at receiver. And Bowe's production is pretty worrisome this year.

                                And I agree the Chiefs need to continue to look for a long term solution at QB. I'm a Tyler Bray fan, but until he proves something...And Alex Smith, as mentioned, is what he is. We are winning because of Charles and this outstanding defense. Hopefully that's enough to carry us deep into the playoffs.

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